OT - Trump

[Left*My*Heart]

Regardless of political leanings the big take away is how many people don't fully research candidates and issues, but merely are driven by the sound bite media.

Its a referendum on the establishment politicians, and elite media. When you call large portions of the country "fly over country", you have to realize that you're alienating a gigantic block of voters. And not just redneck white people either. Its kind of why Bernie had such a huge following, he was and is considered an outsider by the elite media and they fought to ruin his chances behind the scenes.

The problem is that rural areas (red necks) are the most guilty of not doing ANY homework on either candidate. All they hear is "make america great again" but they don't stop to think what that actually means, they just got the sound bite they wanted to hear and ran with that. He talks absolute nonsense!

Then there's a huge chunk of voters who are racist and hate immigrants. He taps into their fear of immigrants and people respond easily to these sound bites, again without doing their homework into whether they really are in danger from immigrants or not. To them, ignorance is bliss.

I don't think that Trump will have his hand on the button as some fear. I also think that the fact that he understands business and what it takes to run one, he will put good managers in cabinet positions and also get more people back to work (who want to)..

Trump was born into wealth and spent recklessly in the 80s and damn near went bankrupt throughout the early 90s. He was extraordinarily lucky to be bailed out. I wouldn't exactly trust his Business acumen.

I don't get how gullible America is when listening to him? I don't understand how people accept his apology for his appalling treatment of women? He has a long history of being a creepy MF the moment he got in the public eye. He's been a known creep for decades, what makes you think he'll change? And he only apologised because he got caught not because he's actually sorry for being a creep.

You actually don't have to do much homework to realise what an a--hole he really is. He hands it to you on a silver platter almost every time he speaks. His negative, hate filled rhetoric, his absurd ideas of building a wall... I could go on for hours, isn't it obvious to you how horrible he is?

Trump along with Icahn and several other Billionaires use our bankruptcy laws to their benefits. Is it wrong? It is legal and it is part of our laws. He took a million dollars and turned into a billion or so, don't think that is bad and reckless as you point out. What I hope he does, is close these loop holes, so big companies can't conduct business in a way that hurts the average American and pay their fare share of taxes.

It is a change, is it going to be great? Who knows, but I'm willing to see what happens, just like I was with Obama and every president before them. The people gave him 4 years to see what he can do and it is our job to fire him if he doesn't perform

[Left*My*Heart]

The majority of Americans don't really like Trump but the DNC failed to give us a reason to be excited for someone to beat him either. They really screwed the pooch when they forced her on us (despite Bernie representing the party's true fire) and tried to convince us it was her time. I don't think Trump beats Bernie, because Bernie taps into the same sentiments as Trump without all the crazy hateful elements.

Trump's election is a failure on the part of the DNC. They put getting Hillary elected above party objectives and it bit them in the butt in the end.

It's also worth noting that Trump did lose the popular vote, so it's not like he won in a landslide.

+1. On top of that, Obama was a huge failure as was the party. When he first took office, the Dems had the House and the Senate, to go along with the Prez. And what did they do with it? Nothing. They just squandered it by letting the Republicans block and filibuster every thing the tried to do for his entire two terms and didn't try to do a thing about it until maybe this this year which was way too late unfortunately.

I would also say that if Hilary would have won (she may actually win the popular vote when tallied) the Republicans would have put lawsuit after lawsuit on her which would have made it even more difficult for her to run the country. This country is in pretty deep doodoo regardless of who won the election.

I agree with Obama's performance has been poor. If you remove the political spin from both sides and look just at the numbers and where we are, the country overall isn't better off. Our economic growth, the unemployment figures, companies penalizing employees because of Obama care, the deficit, treatment of our veterans, inner city problems off the top of my head are failures.

As far as Hillary winning the popular vote, means nothing. Why I say that, it's not the objective to winning the election. Winning the Electoral vote is. That is why every candidate spends their time and money in the swing states and states where they think they can steal a state that is losing favor with their typical party of choice. The experts were calling Trump an idiot for his campaign strategy. Why was he spending so much time and money in Michigan and Pennsylvania, surely he couldn't swing them his way? It is a waste of time and money for either candidate to campaign extensively in states they aren't going to win. Though Hillary did spend a lot of money and time in Texas, hoping to swing Texas. Trump held fund raisers but did no active campaigning. This is why Hillary did a lot better than a lot of democrats have in the state of Texas.

Hope I made some sense. Trump spent little time and money in California, Washington and Oregon, he wasn't going to win those states anyway. His message was for Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and North Carolina.

[bakesale]

There is a saying for this; opinions are like ****, everyone has one and thinks that their's doesn't stink.

All the stories the last couple days about "watch out for Trump supporters after their loss" and now the protests with vandalism and violence have already began, mostly on the west coast.

I voted for Bernie in the primaries and was force fed Clinton. I voted Trump because he is a change from this crap. Not that my vote mattered anyways, Clinton won California as was expected.

It's been a peaceful protest.

You voted Trump because he he is a change from this crap? What crap?

What did Clinton do to you that was so bad? America spent $7 million on trying to find her at fault for Benghazi and came up with nothing.

The FBI spent a tonne of time and resources not once but TWICE trying to dig into her emails and still couldn't find any criminality in them. This by the way totally ruined her campaign. The fact that it came up with nothing made it doubly worse.

I'm not saying she was an amazing candidate, I much preferred Bernie but she wasn't anywhere NEAR as bad as Trump.
He said a bunch of meaningless Catch phrases like "Make America Great Again". He didn't have anything to back up this BS but much worse than that he was not only in support of the Great Housing Crash of 2008 which RUINED America but as a property magnate he was largely responsible for it happening in the first place. He has a hand in ruining middle America and you want to trust him to Make America Great Again? You're kidding me right?

I don't know what to believe. I get my news from as many sources as possible, including the BBC, Al Jazeera, CNN and so on. I don't believe what I read, as everyone seems to have a political slant to their side and yes, there is propaganda in our news. I know of dealings the Clinton's had in Arkansas and they were very shady. I wouldn't vote for any of them based on ethics alone. The idea she is a saint is far from the truth. The old adage, where there is smoke there is fire, tells me something is wrong. I can care less about Benghazi. They should have pulled Stevens and his staff out months earlier, that was a mistake, not a crime. There are troubling emails that were hacked. The only excuse I have heard is, they were obtained illegally. Still it sheds light on things regardless. The Clinton's are slick extremely polished machine. Sanders truly cares about people, the Clintons pretend.

Again, I have no horse in this, but thinking that Hillary was going to help the middle class is BS. How does increasing taxes on the middle class help?

As far as any investigation into Hillary, the Clinton Foundation etc. and even if it is remotely possible, a completely independent bi-partisan investigation needs to be done before I would be satisfied. I don't know it that is even possible.

Dude, the Federal Bureau of Investigation did 2 investigations on her and couldn't find any criminality. The whole "where there is smoke there must be fire" theory is completely blown out by actual investigations finding nothing. Are you saying you can't trust the FBI? Because that would be a hell of an accusation.

So you think she wasn't going to help the middle class? In her speech she implored the public to go to her website and see how her plan would benefit them. And no she doesn't want to increase the taxes on the middle class she wants to increase the taxes on the wealthy. She wants to raise the minimum wage and she wants to make tertiary education accessible to all (not just the rich). All of these measures helps the middle class.

It's true, media can have any sort of bias they want. But then Trump says absurd, racist and misogynist things publicly for all of us to hear ALL THE TIME. I mean he even said awful sexist things against Megyn Kelly of Fox News the most right wing news channel in America. They didn't hold back on revealing what he said. He basically hands you his HORRIBLE material on a silver platter. Even staunch Right wingers like George Bush Sr and Jr didn't vote for Trump because he was such an A--hole towards Jeb Bush. I mean people in his own party hated him and denounced him, let alone everybody on the left. How is this even a remotely difficult decision on who to choose?

[mos_def]

It's a big wakeup call to the Democratic party. They have to field a candidate who appeals to their base or this will happen again.

It's also a giant warning about the state of American education and culture. Even though I live in an area that is anti-trump overall, there are still Trump voters here and I've overheard conversations from some of them. They believe everything the right-wing media tells them - they do not see any inconsistencies or hypocrisy in their positions, they have no memory of the past (blaming Dems for war in Iraq, etc).

If I thought they would learn from the next 4 years I would be somewhat heartened, but I honestly have zero hope of that. My only hope is to outlive them.

I definitely agree with the first part

On the 2nd, Im more of an independent voter but I align more as a fiscal conservative if I had to definitively associate myself with a party. But I watch MSNBC cuz I find them to be more in the media than FOX (right) CNN (left). The comment of believing what the right media says could be said for even the left. Like the 1.7 billion ransom. The left said it wasn't a ransom and the right said it was and it came out that it was a ransom but cuz the left said it wasn't a lot said it wasn't. The left kept saying that Hillary was going to win cuz of exit polls and that bit them in the butt. I just came back from NJ and had to drive through Pennsylvannia and I got home (GA) before the election and said if Trump won PA it would surprise me. They laughed cuz the left media kept saying if Hillary had the Electoral votes in the bag. I told them, I don't care what the media says, cuz all the media (outside of FOX) wanted Hillary to win. Im telling you what I saw.

[mos_def]

Nobody will say honestly that they voted for him, but where did the votes come? His win wasn't any good for Australia.

That's not true. If there was a social effect (voting Tump but saying you voted Clinton) it was pretty small. The popular vote polling was only off by about 1%.

sorry to reply to 2 comments

I didn't trust exit polls just due to how social media society is. You cannot have a friendly exchange of views on religion or politics or else you are branded as a bigot or narrow minded. You get flamed for making an opposing comment on a news thread. It doesn't breed openness. and that is why the exit polls failed.

[mos_def]

I hope there isn't any violence from either side.

there was and I expected it to be. When Trump gets sworn in I expect DC to be swarmed with a massive march since DC and its surrounding areas are highly liberal

Leading up to the election a GOP HQ was firebombed in North Carolina and then they went in and wrote "Nazi's go home." Its sad, but people to react hate for hate and don't see they are what exactly what they are trying to oppose

[mos_def]

So you think she wasn't going to help the middle class? In her speech she implored the public to go to her website and see how her plan would benefit them. And no she doesn't want to increase the taxes on the middle class she wants to increase the taxes on the wealthy. She wants to raise the minimum wage and she wants to make tertiary education accessible to all (not just the rich). All of these measures helps the middle class.

I tagged all 3 of in this thread

The Middle Class if were Trump won. People will say there is no more Middle Class and that is where he won. The forgotten people that still have MIddle Class jobs. A middle class house. And yet there is either the haves and have nots. The states where Trump won there were many people that got left behind. Trump the day before the election stated that: "The elite have left you behind and forgotten about you. Tomorrow is your Independence Day. Tomorrow the Middle Class strikes back." That resonated with a lot of people. I voted for Obama twice, but Obama regime didn't help the coal worker in MIddle America. Obama sais that people hold onto their guns and religion and think they will be fine. Trump won the evangelical vote by 90%. He won western PA, Ohio, and Michigan cuz he kept saying Bill Clinton passed NAFTA. The name Clinton isn't good around those parts. Im sure that racist people voted for Trump, but for those that weren't that jobs (its a turning economic structure) are scarce and put on top of the mandatory ACA (Obamacare) with high premium with notice of a raise in the premiums coming out election week, it didn't help Hillary. It wasn't that they voted for Trump cuz they too where racist. They voted for Trump cuz he listened to them cuz they felt left behind in an ever changing America. I don't know how true he is to that message but he kept pounding it and pounding it and they came out to vote just as the African American community came out to vote for Obama.


Also, say what you want to about Obama, but that dude was squeaky clean. To become the first black President he had to be. Whenever one breaks a barrier with race/color they have to be squeaky clean to break that barrier. Hillary had too much history whether it was cuz of her or her husband. Take into account people have tough times living the same message. Look at divorce. Look at sports coaching. It goes the same with political parties. The reigning party has only won after 8 years 3 times in history.

[Patches Perry]

The majority of Americans don't really like Trump but the DNC failed to give us a reason to be excited for someone to beat him either. They really screwed the pooch when they forced her on us (despite Bernie representing the party's true fire) and tried to convince us it was her time. I don't think Trump beats Bernie, because Bernie taps into the same sentiments as Trump without all the crazy hateful elements.

Trump's election is a failure on the part of the DNC. They put getting Hillary elected above party objectives and it bit them in the butt in the end.

It's also worth noting that Trump did lose the popular vote, so it's not like he won in a landslide.

I'm curious to know if anyone actually listened to her talk or whether people just listened to Trump call her crooked Hillary all the time?

Because when I listened to Hillary's speech she was ALL for raising the minimum wage (which America needs to do desperately) in order to ensure that in her words: "no full time working person in America should be living below the poverty line", she wanted to make college accessible to all and those that have fees/debt to have that reduced significantly if not wiped out altogether, she wanted to reduce taxes on the poor-middle and increase the taxes to the highest earners. I mean she was most certainly about improving the middle class (read: working class) and help those who aren't getting paid as much as they should. She even offered everyone in the audience to go to her website where you could see how your family would be better off under her plan. So she not only had talk but she was willing to put her money where her mouth is. I get the sense that the working class refused to listen and already made up their mind, shame on them for not even taking the time to listen. I'm all for Bernie but for god's sake Hillary wasn't nearly as bad as you may think if you ACTUALLY LISTENED to what she had to say.
Listening to Trump all I heard were broad statements with zero substance. Outside of that his speeches were full of fear mongering about immigrants and hatefulness against Hillary. He would say the most absurd, vile things and for some reason the majority of Americans ate it all up.

Right wing people say they fear muslim terrorism. Based on what I've seen on the news in the past year or so, if I was in America I'd be far more fearful of gun toting psychotic Americans who shoot mass amounts of people. In America you're FAR FAR more likely to be killed by an American with a gun than you are by a muslim.
I'll leave it at that because I don't want to rant out an essay... but this decision by Americans to vote for Trump was absolutely stupid.

Hillary said the right things. The problem is, Americans don't believe her. The right wing definitely grossly exaggerated her shortcomings, but it's an election, that's what all candidates do. She has been in the pocket of her donors forever, and that's probably a product of being in government too long. She lies and will say anything to get support, but will she actually do what she says? Americans weren't buying it. In fact, it's coming out now that Trump had less votes than any Republican candidate in recent history, but Hillary just didn't generate the excitement from the Democratic base to beat him. Thank the DNC for that.

You won't find a single defense of Trump from me, but Hillary is pretty bad also. I don't blame anyone for choosing the lesser evil, but I also completely understand why her voter turnout was so low. She is completely uninspiring. Trump cashed in on the "change" angle that Obama cashed in on 8 years ago. Maybe at some point people will realize that the government doesn't fix problems, it usually just creates them.

[Left*My*Heart]

It's been a peaceful protest.

You voted Trump because he he is a change from this crap? What crap?

What did Clinton do to you that was so bad? America spent $7 million on trying to find her at fault for Benghazi and came up with nothing.

The FBI spent a tonne of time and resources not once but TWICE trying to dig into her emails and still couldn't find any criminality in them. This by the way totally ruined her campaign. The fact that it came up with nothing made it doubly worse.

I'm not saying she was an amazing candidate, I much preferred Bernie but she wasn't anywhere NEAR as bad as Trump.
He said a bunch of meaningless Catch phrases like "Make America Great Again". He didn't have anything to back up this BS but much worse than that he was not only in support of the Great Housing Crash of 2008 which RUINED America but as a property magnate he was largely responsible for it happening in the first place. He has a hand in ruining middle America and you want to trust him to Make America Great Again? You're kidding me right?

I don't know what to believe. I get my news from as many sources as possible, including the BBC, Al Jazeera, CNN and so on. I don't believe what I read, as everyone seems to have a political slant to their side and yes, there is propaganda in our news. I know of dealings the Clinton's had in Arkansas and they were very shady. I wouldn't vote for any of them based on ethics alone. The idea she is a saint is far from the truth. The old adage, where there is smoke there is fire, tells me something is wrong. I can care less about Benghazi. They should have pulled Stevens and his staff out months earlier, that was a mistake, not a crime. There are troubling emails that were hacked. The only excuse I have heard is, they were obtained illegally. Still it sheds light on things regardless. The Clinton's are slick extremely polished machine. Sanders truly cares about people, the Clintons pretend.

Again, I have no horse in this, but thinking that Hillary was going to help the middle class is BS. How does increasing taxes on the middle class help?

As far as any investigation into Hillary, the Clinton Foundation etc. and even if it is remotely possible, a completely independent bi-partisan investigation needs to be done before I would be satisfied. I don't know it that is even possible.

Dude, the Federal Bureau of Investigation did 2 investigations on her and couldn't find any criminality. The whole "where there is smoke there must be fire" theory is completely blown out by actual investigations finding nothing. Are you saying you can't trust the FBI? Because that would be a hell of an accusation.

So you think she wasn't going to help the middle class? In her speech she implored the public to go to her website and see how her plan would benefit them. And no she doesn't want to increase the taxes on the middle class she wants to increase the taxes on the wealthy. She wants to raise the minimum wage and she wants to make tertiary education accessible to all (not just the rich). All of these measures helps the middle class.

It's true, media can have any sort of bias they want. But then Trump says absurd, racist and misogynist things publicly for all of us to hear ALL THE TIME. I mean he even said awful sexist things against Megyn Kelly of Fox News the most right wing news channel in America. They didn't hold back on revealing what he said. He basically hands you his HORRIBLE material on a silver platter. Even staunch Right wingers like George Bush Sr and Jr didn't vote for Trump because he was such an A--hole towards Jeb Bush. I mean people in his own party hated him and denounced him, let alone everybody on the left. How is this even a remotely difficult decision on who to choose?

Well the FBI works for and answers to whom? Lynch meets with Bill Clinton in the back of her plane in a secret meeting, before the FBI's first incompetence. Surely they were talking about sports and it had nothing to do with Hillary. If you don't believe there is some shady activities involving the Clinton's going on, then you aren't paying attention.

You are a staunch Clinton supporter and I know many who are, I respect that. I couldn't vote for her and I couldn't vote for him.

I don't think either candidate would help the middle class. I'm hoping Trump does, but I'm not counting on it. My taxes have gone up under Obama and Clinton would support his legacy. The burden of what Hillary had promised, regarding entitlements according to outside sources, taxes would have to go up to support them. I haven't trusted anyone telling me my taxes aren't going up, since Reagan's "read my lips" comment.

[Mylie10]

There was criminality in the FBI probe, they just chose not to pursue indictments. Comey has faced a huge backlash within the FBI for not pursuing it further. Comey chose to let the American people decide.

But just for clarity....it is illegal to have a personal email set up that contains classified material. She had classified material that ran through her computer at her home in washington and also another location that remained at a third party location. Anyone els would have been prosecuted.

She also has her right hand person Aberdeen review all of her emails prior to her reading them. Aberdeen has no clearance to read such information.

She also lied multiple times in her recollection of the events, which is not criminal because Comey never called a grand jury to put her under oath. Many in the FBI have said that a grand jury is an important step in these types of investigations. Had she been put under oath, and then proceeded to lie, like she did multiple times, she would have been obstructing justice.

I just think Comey didn't want to be responsible for indicting a presidential candidate in the heat of an election. He didn't want that on his record. But by the way he handled things, he most likely will be fired, and his reputation for not going after an indictment has taken a huge hit on his legacy.

[Onus]

I'm totally fine with a pathological liar, morally and multiple-time fiscally bankrupt business "genius", racist, misogynist, sexual predator, disability-mocking, national hero-mocking, immature, vindictive, attention-seeking, bully having the most powerful, influential position in the world.

If he makes it through the upcoming rape and fraud trials before being sworn in, or course.

And it's fantastic that every parent with young kids will have to teach their children that the president of the most powerful country is absolutely not a role model.

Yeah, what could go wrong?

Yeah, America f'ed up. The rest of the world realizes it more than most of us do. We have been the country that has been the moral leader, the country that does what is best for the world, even if it is not what is best for us. That has been what has stabilized the world and kept many negative forces in check.

And when you put into power the most immoral man that just about anybody can imagine, you no longer can be viewed as the moral leader.

When you openly state that you are going to do what is best for you (potentially at the expense of what is best for the world)..... you have created the opportunity for chaos.

I pray that I'm wrong, and that the sound bites that effectively served as a proxy for any real policy don't come to fruition.

Yes, everything you've said about Trump is true, however you left out one thing that probably swayed a lot of people. He hasn't been bought by foreign leaders/lobbyists/media types and it seems like he won't kowtow to them like every other president has. He will do things his way, just look at how he ran his campaign, whether that's good or not remains to be seen.

Also everyone knows Trump isn't the upstanding citizen like most politician portray themselves, but it's a known quality. Whereas most politician are dirty just behind the scenes rather than being up front about it.

[Onus]

The majority of Americans don't really like Trump but the DNC failed to give us a reason to be excited for someone to beat him either. They really screwed the pooch when they forced her on us (despite Bernie representing the party's true fire) and tried to convince us it was her time. I don't think Trump beats Bernie, because Bernie taps into the same sentiments as Trump without all the crazy hateful elements.

Trump's election is a failure on the part of the DNC. They put getting Hillary elected above party objectives and it bit them in the butt in the end.

It's also worth noting that Trump did lose the popular vote, so it's not like he won in a landslide.

I'm curious to know if anyone actually listened to her talk or whether people just listened to Trump call her crooked Hillary all the time?

Because when I listened to Hillary's speech she was ALL for raising the minimum wage (which America needs to do desperately) in order to ensure that in her words: "no full time working person in America should be living below the poverty line", she wanted to make college accessible to all and those that have fees/debt to have that reduced significantly if not wiped out altogether, she wanted to reduce taxes on the poor-middle and increase the taxes to the highest earners. I mean she was most certainly about improving the middle class (read: working class) and help those who aren't getting paid as much as they should. She even offered everyone in the audience to go to her website where you could see how your family would be better off under her plan. So she not only had talk but she was willing to put her money where her mouth is. I get the sense that the working class refused to listen and already made up their mind, shame on them for not even taking the time to listen. I'm all for Bernie but for god's sake Hillary wasn't nearly as bad as you may think if you ACTUALLY LISTENED to what she had to say.
Listening to Trump all I heard were broad statements with zero substance. Outside of that his speeches were full of fear mongering about immigrants and hatefulness against Hillary. He would say the most absurd, vile things and for some reason the majority of Americans ate it all up.

Right wing people say they fear muslim terrorism. Based on what I've seen on the news in the past year or so, if I was in America I'd be far more fearful of gun toting psychotic Americans who shoot mass amounts of people. In America you're FAR FAR more likely to be killed by an American with a gun than you are by a muslim.
I'll leave it at that because I don't want to rant out an essay... but this decision by Americans to vote for Trump was absolutely stupid.

Hillary said the right things. The problem is, Americans don't believe her. The right wing definitely grossly exaggerated her shortcomings, but it's an election, that's what all candidates do. She has been in the pocket of her donors forever, and that's probably a product of being in government too long. She lies and will say anything to get support, but will she actually do what she says? Americans weren't buying it. In fact, it's coming out now that Trump had less votes than any Republican candidate in recent history, but Hillary just didn't generate the excitement from the Democratic base to beat him. Thank the DNC for that.

You won't find a single defense of Trump from me, but Hillary is pretty bad also. I don't blame anyone for choosing the lesser evil, but I also completely understand why her voter turnout was so low. She is completely uninspiring. Trump cashed in on the "change" angle that Obama cashed in on 8 years ago. Maybe at some point people will realize that the government doesn't fix problems, it usually just creates them.

This!

In order for people to fix their own problems things have to get worse and some of the policies that Trump wants to implement are the beginning stages of a revolution. Throughout human history some of the things Trump wants to do have flamed the fires of revolution. It's coming.

[clyde21]

This was a White and Christian backlash against minorities. Simple as that. They were out in folds trying to prove that this is "their country".

Thats a juicy narrative and all but the numbers dont back that up. Trump got 58% of the white vote, thats actually down from Romney 4 years ago when he got 59% of the white vote. Trump had a small bump in the minority vote compared to Romney. The big reason Trump won was not because of White and Christian backlash, it was Hillary's inability to get people to go out and vote for her especially minorities.

Lolk

https://www.facebook.com/UpchurchThaRedneck/videos/1819380871613890/?pnref=story

[Duke4life831]

This was a White and Christian backlash against minorities. Simple as that. They were out in folds trying to prove that this is "their country".

Thats a juicy narrative and all but the numbers dont back that up. Trump got 58% of the white vote, thats actually down from Romney 4 years ago when he got 59% of the white vote. Trump had a small bump in the minority vote compared to Romney. The big reason Trump won was not because of White and Christian backlash, it was Hillary's inability to get people to go out and vote for her especially minorities.

Lolk

https://www.facebook.com/UpchurchThaRedneck/videos/1819380871613890/?pnref=story

So I post actual statistics that back up what I said. You're response to that was just lol and a post of some random redneck that voted for Trump. I didn't say not a single redneck didn't vote for Trump. What I said and the stats back it up, Trump didn't win because he got this huge amount of white votes. He got less White votes and a worse % than the previous Republican candidate. Again take out the narratives the media has been giving and just look at the statistics.

I didn't vote for Trump and didn't want Trump to win. But people like you and others on here who basically just sold the entire country that's not California or New York as racist rednecks is what's wrong. Someone didn't have the same mindset as me, they must be a dumb redneck.

[clyde21]

Thats a juicy narrative and all but the numbers dont back that up. Trump got 58% of the white vote, thats actually down from Romney 4 years ago when he got 59% of the white vote. Trump had a small bump in the minority vote compared to Romney. The big reason Trump won was not because of White and Christian backlash, it was Hillary's inability to get people to go out and vote for her especially minorities.

Lolk

https://www.facebook.com/UpchurchThaRedneck/videos/1819380871613890/?pnref=story

So I post actual statistics that back up what I said. You're response to that was just lol and a post of some random redneck that voted for Trump. I didn't say not a single redneck didn't vote for Trump. What I said and the stats back it up, Trump didn't win because he got this huge amount of white votes. He got less White votes and a worse % than the previous Republican candidate. Again take out the narratives the media has been giving and just look at the statistics.

I didn't vote for Trump and didn't want Trump to win. But people like you and others on here who basically just sold the entire country that's not California or New York as racist rednecks is what's wrong. Someone didn't have the same mindset as me, they must be a dumb redneck.

Trump won because he got a huge amount of white votes in the right parts of the country - parts that are hellbent on "taking their country back" based on a belligerently racist and bigoted platform.

We've already seen two incidents already. White kids this morning were chanting at Hispanics kids AT A SCHOOL "build the wall". Another one in SDSU, where a Muslim women was grabbed by two white men taking her purse and keys and saying her "times up".

If you don't think was white blowback then you can dwell in your own delusion on your own buddy.

[clyde21]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/11/10/women-in-hijabs-on-2-campuses-say-they-were-attacked-by-men-invoking-donald-trump/

[Mylie10]

One of the main reasons Trump won some huge swing states is not the "Redneck vote", but democrats in union jobs.

Several of those states had very strong union labor that switched from the typical democratic voting to Trump with the idea that he is pro business.

[FNQ]

There's been a hell of a lot more than 2 incidents. Follow Shaun King on twitter or FB and you'll see.

I'm not going to try and define why people voted for him, that's on them, and it's presumptuous to do so. All I know is that he got less of the popular vote than the last 4 GOP candidates, and he won. That shows that he wasn't necessarily the stronger candidate, it meant HRC was an exceptionally weak one. The Dems needed to show up to vote. Enough were alienated, and didn't. Friggin 11,000 people voted for HARAMBE. Over 25,000 voted for Vermin Supreme.

Regardless of whether or not Trump is racist - I don't think he is, I think he's a showman/panderer - he certainly inspires it in the ignorant, and in a country that's proudly descending into idiocracy, that's a big problem. He needs to come out and condemn these many, many racist incidents that happened one day after he was elected, or things will get worse, fast.

[FNQ]

One of the main reasons Trump won some huge swing states is not the "Redneck vote", but democrats in union jobs.

Several of those states had very strong union labor that switched from the typical democratic voting to Trump with the idea that he is pro business.

I'd feel comfortable with them believing that if he didn't ruthlessly exploit the system he claims he's going to fix.

Not to mention that the GOP and in-pocket Dems will fight him on Congress' floor even if he did try and restore the middle class. We can't even get the wage raised in lock-step with inflation..

[clyde21]

One of the main reasons Trump won some huge swing states is not the "Redneck vote", but democrats in union jobs.

Several of those states had very strong union labor that switched from the typical democratic voting to Trump with the idea that he is pro business.

Trump is pro corporations - not pro business. And certainly not pro unions.

If they didn't vote for Trump because they're racist hillbillies, they voted for Trump because they're uneducated and ignorant. Most likely a combination and mix of both.