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Re: OT - Trump 

Post#101 » by Left*My*Heart » Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:10 pm

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Mylie10 wrote:One of the main reasons Trump won some huge swing states is not the "Redneck vote", but democrats in union jobs.

Several of those states had very strong union labor that switched from the typical democratic voting to Trump with the idea that he is pro business.


Trump is pro corporations - not pro business. And certainly not pro unions. :lol:

If they didn't vote for Trump because they're racist hillbillies, they voted for Trump because they're uneducated and ignorant. Most likely a combination and mix of both.

So voting for Hillary is an educated thing? LOL :banghead:

Again, I voted for neither, but I do know some very intelligent people who voted for Trump despite what you think.
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Re: OT - Trump 

Post#102 » by marthafokker » Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:11 pm

What does this have to do with GSW? Lock it up. 49ers and Raiders talk gets evicted in minutes, while this is 5 page in and mod not doing their job?
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Re: OT - Trump 

Post#103 » by Left*My*Heart » Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:14 pm

marthafokker wrote:What does this have to do with GSW? Lock it up. 49ers and Raiders talk gets evicted in minutes, while this is 5 page in and mod not doing their job?

Though I'm guilty of a egging things on, I'm with you, politics are such a polarizing topic.
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Re: OT - Trump 

Post#104 » by clyde21 » Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:17 pm

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clyde21 wrote:
Mylie10 wrote:One of the main reasons Trump won some huge swing states is not the "Redneck vote", but democrats in union jobs.

Several of those states had very strong union labor that switched from the typical democratic voting to Trump with the idea that he is pro business.


Trump is pro corporations - not pro business. And certainly not pro unions. :lol:

If they didn't vote for Trump because they're racist hillbillies, they voted for Trump because they're uneducated and ignorant. Most likely a combination and mix of both.

So voting for Hillary is an educated thing? LOL :banghead:

Again, I voted for neither, but I do know some very intelligent people who voted for Trump despite what you think.


Then they're racist, bigoted misogynists. Either or, or both. I don't care what you think about HRC - if you mobilized to put this belligerent psychopath into office, there's something inherently wrong with you. Absolutely dumbfounding to me, but not surprising considering he made it this far in the first place.
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Re: OT - Trump 

Post#105 » by mos_def » Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:21 pm

clyde21 wrote:
Left*My*Heart wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
Trump is pro corporations - not pro business. And certainly not pro unions. :lol:

If they didn't vote for Trump because they're racist hillbillies, they voted for Trump because they're uneducated and ignorant. Most likely a combination and mix of both.

So voting for Hillary is an educated thing? LOL :banghead:

Again, I voted for neither, but I do know some very intelligent people who voted for Trump despite what you think.


Then they're racist, bigoted misogynists. Either or, or both. I don't care what you think about HRC - if you mobilized to put this belligerent psychopath into office, there's something inherently wrong with you. Absolutely dumbfounding to me, but not surprising considering he made it this far in the first place.


Some are racist, but to label everyone racist cuz they voted for the other candidate is counter productive and actually bigotry in itself. SOme of these people are trying to put food on their table. You cant fault people that aren't racist for doing that
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Re: OT - Trump 

Post#106 » by clyde21 » Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:23 pm

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Left*My*Heart wrote:So voting for Hillary is an educated thing? LOL :banghead:

Again, I voted for neither, but I do know some very intelligent people who voted for Trump despite what you think.


Then they're racist, bigoted misogynists. Either or, or both. I don't care what you think about HRC - if you mobilized to put this belligerent psychopath into office, there's something inherently wrong with you. Absolutely dumbfounding to me, but not surprising considering he made it this far in the first place.


Some are racist, but to label everyone racist cuz they voted for the other candidate is counter productive and actually bigotry in itself. SOme of these people are trying to put food on their table. You cant fault people that aren't racist for doing that


If you voted for Trump, you're either a racist fool or an ignorant fool. Or a combination of both. There isn't a third option, sorry.
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Re: OT - Trump 

Post#107 » by Mylie10 » Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:23 pm

clyde21 wrote:
Mylie10 wrote:One of the main reasons Trump won some huge swing states is not the "Redneck vote", but democrats in union jobs.

Several of those states had very strong union labor that switched from the typical democratic voting to Trump with the idea that he is pro business.


Trump is pro corporations - not pro business. And certainly not pro unions. :lol:

If they didn't vote for Trump because they're racist hillbillies, they voted for Trump because they're uneducated and ignorant. Most likely a combination and mix of both.


Your rhetoric isn't helping any constructive discussion. You are calling people racists without any actual knowledge of tens of millions of people. And you're using racist remarks to do it.

Trump is very much pro business, and he has a clear understanding of how unions work.

I don't know if the guy will be a good president, I'm just reacting to certain comments made. No offense to anyone. Please I love almost all you guys and gals.
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Re: OT - Trump 

Post#108 » by clyde21 » Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:26 pm

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clyde21 wrote:
Mylie10 wrote:One of the main reasons Trump won some huge swing states is not the "Redneck vote", but democrats in union jobs.

Several of those states had very strong union labor that switched from the typical democratic voting to Trump with the idea that he is pro business.


Trump is pro corporations - not pro business. And certainly not pro unions. :lol:

If they didn't vote for Trump because they're racist hillbillies, they voted for Trump because they're uneducated and ignorant. Most likely a combination and mix of both.


Your rhetoric isn't helping any constructive discussion. You are calling people racists without any actual knowledge of tens of millions of people. And you're using racist remarks to do it.

Trump is very much pro business, and he has a clear understanding of how unions work.

I don't know if the guy will be a good president, I'm just reacting to certain comments made. No offense to anyone. Please I love almost all you guys and gals.


There is no constructive discussion to be had. A belligerent, drunken, misogynistic xenophobe with zero military or political experience was just voted into the WH. It's time for California to leave those rust belt hillbillies to cannabalize themselves.

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Post#109 » by Mylie10 » Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:31 pm

clyde21 wrote:
Mylie10 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
Trump is pro corporations - not pro business. And certainly not pro unions. :lol:

If they didn't vote for Trump because they're racist hillbillies, they voted for Trump because they're uneducated and ignorant. Most likely a combination and mix of both.


Your rhetoric isn't helping any constructive discussion. You are calling people racists without any actual knowledge of tens of millions of people. And you're using racist remarks to do it.

Trump is very much pro business, and he has a clear understanding of how unions work.

I don't know if the guy will be a good president, I'm just reacting to certain comments made. No offense to anyone. Please I love almost all you guys and gals.


There is no constructive discussion to be had. A belligerent, drunken, misogynistic xenophobe with zero military or political experience was just voted into the WH. It's time for California to leave those rust belt hillbillies to cannabalize themselves.

We out!


Ok....thought I'd try. Why don't you just step away then. We actually have some good convos and ideas for the Warriors, lets stick to that.

I do enjoy talking politics from time to time, but not when its just insults.
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Re: OT - Trump 

Post#110 » by clyde21 » Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:34 pm

Mylie10 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
Mylie10 wrote:
Your rhetoric isn't helping any constructive discussion. You are calling people racists without any actual knowledge of tens of millions of people. And you're using racist remarks to do it.

Trump is very much pro business, and he has a clear understanding of how unions work.

I don't know if the guy will be a good president, I'm just reacting to certain comments made. No offense to anyone. Please I love almost all you guys and gals.


There is no constructive discussion to be had. A belligerent, drunken, misogynistic xenophobe with zero military or political experience was just voted into the WH. It's time for California to leave those rust belt hillbillies to cannabalize themselves.

We out!


Ok....thought I'd try. Why don't you just step away then. We actually have some good convos and ideas for the Warriors, lets stick to that.

I do enjoy talking politics from time to time, but not when its just insults.


When did I insult you?
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Re: OT - Trump 

Post#111 » by FNQ » Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:39 pm

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Some are racist, but to label everyone racist cuz they voted for the other candidate is counter productive and actually bigotry in itself. SOme of these people are trying to put food on their table. You cant fault people that aren't racist for doing that


Yup

Some are just die-hard GOP that will vote red no matter what. But mainly, outside of the outspoken racists, the base is people who bought into Trump's 'elevate the middle class' stuff. He was like Bernie in that he knows his base and knows what they want. But unlike Bernie, Trump does not have a clear logical path to enact it. If Bernie ran and won, and the Senate/House went blue, he could conceivably enact some of his platform, if not most of it.

But Trump? He's going to get hit by his own side if he tries to enact what he's promised, and even by some centrist dems. These guys are so deep in the pockets of lobbies that they are completely isolated from real Americans. Even if he can get taxes and tariffs raised on non-domestic goods and services, it doesn't really help out the American people if wages remain low and we're still subsidizing corporate welfare (while bashing welfare for the people, a far less costly endeavor). I don't see any path to him getting results and I think he'll (and by he, I kinda mean the GOP-led Congress more) walk back economic growth, and in doing so, increase already unstable tensions among classes and races.

We'll see. If Trump can actually get the GOP to move towards the center for the first time in decades, then he could be a moderate success. It just seems very unlikely with the human turtle that is Mitch McConnell running the show in Congress.
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Re: OT - Trump 

Post#112 » by Little Digger » Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:45 pm

All I know is I'm very VERY thankful that the Donald beat out Ted Cruz (who would have also beat H Clinton)..And I'm not a Trump fan in any way , shape or form.
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Re: OT - Trump 

Post#113 » by FNQ » Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:48 pm

Little Digger wrote:All I know is I'm very VERY thankful that the Donald beat out Ted Cruz (who would have also beat H Clinton)..That guy has a;most everything I hate in a person/canidate.


lol his own family seems to hate him too. Only thing I'd vote him for is most punchable face on earth, but make no mistake, Martin Shkreli would give him a run for his money. Heather Bresch coming in 3rd, but I'd probably just let a parent of a kid with serious allergies take that one
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Re: OT - Trump 

Post#114 » by Mylie10 » Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:51 pm

Very gracious meeting between Trump and Obama just now. Said the right things of course, but my hope is people watching can understand that was is said and done during a heated election, does not always reflect actual thought and actions.

The tone was good, so lets hope it remains at least for a while.
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Post#115 » by Onus » Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:53 pm

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But Trump? He's going to get hit by his own side if he tries to enact what he's promised, and even by some centrist dems. These guys are so deep in the pockets of lobbies that they are completely isolated from real Americans. Even if he can get taxes and tariffs raised on non-domestic goods and services, it doesn't really help out the American people if wages remain low and we're still subsidizing corporate welfare (while bashing welfare for the people, a far less costly endeavor). I don't see any path to him getting results and I think he'll (and by he, I kinda mean the GOP-led Congress more) walk back economic growth, and in doing so, increase already unstable tensions among classes and races.

We'll see. If Trump can actually get the GOP to move towards the center for the first time in decades, then he could be a moderate success. It just seems very unlikely with the human turtle that is Mitch McConnell running the show in Congress.


I'll be very shocked if Trump will be able to do anything, though he should be able to with a full house of republicans. The lobbies will be working very hard to work against him, but Trump isn't against bullying through the media to get what he wants. Hopefully Trump will be able to expose a lot of the inner workings for Americans to see. He really does have a good chance of doing something just because of who he is.
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Re: OT - Trump 

Post#116 » by clyde21 » Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:54 pm

Mylie10 wrote:Very gracious meeting between Trump and Obama just now. Said the right things of course, but my hope is people watching can understand that was is said and done during a heated election, does not always reflect actual thought and actions.

The tone was good, so lets hope it remains at least for a while.


Of course not - but the point is that he got voted in based on that rhetoric and hyperbole. It underlines an intrinsically huge racial/bigotry problem with much of this country. He gave the racists a platform, and they ran with it. Whether he acts on what he said isn't necessarily the problem...the problem is those thoughts got him the frikin' White House.
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Post#117 » by FNQ » Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:56 pm

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But Trump? He's going to get hit by his own side if he tries to enact what he's promised, and even by some centrist dems. These guys are so deep in the pockets of lobbies that they are completely isolated from real Americans. Even if he can get taxes and tariffs raised on non-domestic goods and services, it doesn't really help out the American people if wages remain low and we're still subsidizing corporate welfare (while bashing welfare for the people, a far less costly endeavor). I don't see any path to him getting results and I think he'll (and by he, I kinda mean the GOP-led Congress more) walk back economic growth, and in doing so, increase already unstable tensions among classes and races.

We'll see. If Trump can actually get the GOP to move towards the center for the first time in decades, then he could be a moderate success. It just seems very unlikely with the human turtle that is Mitch McConnell running the show in Congress.


I'll be very shocked if Trump will be able to do anything, though he should be able to with a full house of republicans. The lobbies will be working very hard to work against him, but Trump isn't against bullying through the media to get what he wants. Hopefully Trump will be able to expose a lot of the inner workings for Americans to see. He really does have a good chance of doing something just because of who he is.


If the GOP is anything like the DNC, they won't let a little thing like mass public opinion of their corruption do anything to sway them. Even now, the DNC is still blaming Russia, still unapologetic about what they did. I even saw Joy Reid (from CNN, and a complete Hillary supporter) scream at Susan Sarandon on twitter implying that Sarandon cost Clinton the election.

Like, seriously? These people are so disconnected from reality, they believe they are so much smarter and know what's best for everyone. /DNCRant

Anyways if the GOP is like them, nothing will be done. I suspect nothing will be done other than walking back some civil rights and Obamacare
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Re: OT - Trump 

Post#118 » by Mylie10 » Thu Nov 10, 2016 6:00 pm

There were several large reasons why Hillary didn't win. The biggest reason being Hillary, not that everyone is racist. There was a huge anti Hillary vote.

Then you had those who were being shocked by Obamacare premiums going through the roof. That had an impact on many families.

You also had a large faction of factory workers who swung for Trump.

You also had a faction of anti establishment voters. Those on both sides of the aisle who are so tired of career politicians, and everything that stands for.

Its multi faceted.
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Post#119 » by Onus » Thu Nov 10, 2016 6:03 pm

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FNQ wrote:
But Trump? He's going to get hit by his own side if he tries to enact what he's promised, and even by some centrist dems. These guys are so deep in the pockets of lobbies that they are completely isolated from real Americans. Even if he can get taxes and tariffs raised on non-domestic goods and services, it doesn't really help out the American people if wages remain low and we're still subsidizing corporate welfare (while bashing welfare for the people, a far less costly endeavor). I don't see any path to him getting results and I think he'll (and by he, I kinda mean the GOP-led Congress more) walk back economic growth, and in doing so, increase already unstable tensions among classes and races.

We'll see. If Trump can actually get the GOP to move towards the center for the first time in decades, then he could be a moderate success. It just seems very unlikely with the human turtle that is Mitch McConnell running the show in Congress.


I'll be very shocked if Trump will be able to do anything, though he should be able to with a full house of republicans. The lobbies will be working very hard to work against him, but Trump isn't against bullying through the media to get what he wants. Hopefully Trump will be able to expose a lot of the inner workings for Americans to see. He really does have a good chance of doing something just because of who he is.


If the GOP is anything like the DNC, they won't let a little thing like mass public opinion of their corruption do anything to sway them. Even now, the DNC is still blaming Russia, still unapologetic about what they did. I even saw Joy Reid (from CNN, and a complete Hillary supporter) scream at Susan Sarandon on twitter implying that Sarandon cost Clinton the election.

Like, seriously? These people are so disconnected from reality, they believe they are so much smarter and know what's best for everyone. /DNCRant

Anyways if the GOP is like them, nothing will be done. I suspect nothing will be done other than walking back some civil rights and Obamacare


I'm positive there's going to be a lot of infighting between Trump and the GOP. But if Trump comes out and says so and so Senator doesn't want this to pass because of so and so lobby is paying him and not putting his fellow americans first. It may not change the vote or outcome but it'll put a light on what's really wrong with our current system. Since Trump hasn't been corrupted yet, I wouldn't put it past him to blasting someone like that to the media.

That's the type of stuff I'm hoping for at the very least, because the more people realize it doesn't matter who is elected special interests and lobbies are really the ones writing laws and getting stuff passed. People need to realize the system is broken because it's bought. These special interests and lobbies don't get elected, they don't change with election to election they remain the same throughout.
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Re: OT - Trump 

Post#120 » by Left*My*Heart » Thu Nov 10, 2016 6:04 pm

Mylie10 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
Mylie10 wrote:One of the main reasons Trump won some huge swing states is not the "Redneck vote", but democrats in union jobs.

Several of those states had very strong union labor that switched from the typical democratic voting to Trump with the idea that he is pro business.


Trump is pro corporations - not pro business. And certainly not pro unions. :lol:

If they didn't vote for Trump because they're racist hillbillies, they voted for Trump because they're uneducated and ignorant. Most likely a combination and mix of both.


Your rhetoric isn't helping any constructive discussion. You are calling people racists without any actual knowledge of tens of millions of people. And you're using racist remarks to do it.

Trump is very much pro business, and he has a clear understanding of how unions work.

I don't know if the guy will be a good president, I'm just reacting to certain comments made. No offense to anyone. Please I love almost all you guys and gals.


Love you Mylie. We are all in this together and it doesn't help by spewing campaign run propaganda. Trump is guilty of a lot of things and I'm uncomfortable with him being our President. However, I'm going to support him, like every other president in the past, until he messes up in my mind. I do believe his heart is in the right place regarding wanting to make our country better. He is an extremely hard worker, he doesn't sit around, he supposedly only sleeps a couple of hours a night. He seemed to have raised good kids who are also very hard working. I have no problem with someone being successful and don't like the demonizing from the left on those in this country who have worked hard to become successful. Isn't that what were about?

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