OT: The next President of the United States: ★★★ Donald Trump ★★★

[coldfish]

In summation, I can understand why you don't have the fears of a Trump presidency that I do but that's because you probably don't stand to lose much from it. You may agree or disagree with his policies but you likely won't lose a right or government provided protection that you rely on. However, there are others in this country who will LOSE rights in a way that has never truly happened in our history. And I'm not even talking about serious issues like tax reform, climate change, etc but just near basic rights people won't have.

OK, being brutally honest.

Illegal immigrants: Trump said that he is going to round them up. What that looks like is door to door searches with people being ripped out of their homes by force, transferred to internment camps before being permanently shipped to a 3rd world nation.

muslims: Trump has made it clear that he is going to have the federal government crawl up their rears. They can expect heavy monitoring with a quick trigger on criminal investigations. Basically living in a police state before being locked up or worse.

women: I have a young daughter. I wonder if when she gets to high school or college, someone will assault her using Trump's model as a reference.

That **** is awful. I think it was you that noted that any sliver of support for Trump is based around the idea that he was lying when he said this stuff. I *get* why people don't like him and are afraid of him. I don't get why people call all of his supporters racist because I *get* why *those* people support him too.

[Red8911]

Look terrorists are obviously very bad people who have killed many of Americans. Now trump is trying to think out of the box of a way to affect them,since they don't care if they die. Will they rethink their position,give more information, and/or surrender if their loved ones are brought in? It's possible it can work for some. America needs to get more dirty if they want to defeat Isis, they are unfortunately dealing with evil people who shouldn't even be considered human beings with the things they do.Its tough to make these calls. Also I don't recall trump ever saying he'd kill the families, maybe interrogate but not kill.

When he said we need to "take out their families" I don't think he meant to dinner.

The other thing with the terrorists is you have to take out their families, when you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families. They care about their lives, don't kid yourself. When they say they don't care about their lives, you have to take out their families.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/02/politics/donald-trump-terrorists-families/

https://www.google.com/amp/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_56e0d7cde4b065e2e3d4d82d/amp?client=safari


(Trump Says He Never Pledged To Kill Family Members Of Terrorists
"I didn't say kill. We have to go after them.")

Again as I said before,he's not a dictator and he never will be in this country to decide to kill anyone he wants. Even if he wanted to they will not let him if it's completely absurd.

[Nikola]

Secondly, there has always been a fear of the right by the left because the right has made restriction of rights more of their platform than the left ever has. The only real right the left has ever fought to restrict is gun ownership but in most cases that's about regulation as opposed to outright restricting any sort of gun ownership.

Third,Trump ran on numerous policies about restricting or removing rights that people so dearly rely on. The Obama stimulus package is a disagreement about how to govern but it in no way restricted anyone's rights to something nor did it only apply to a partisan group of people. Trumps campaign is heavy on things like RESTRICTING the rights to an abortion or RESTRICTING rights of muslims or RESTRICTING the rights of gays to marry or get equal protection.

Fourth, people rely on government programs in all walks of life. ACA makes sure people like me have access to healthcare because providers cannot deny me coverage because I'm more prone to tumors. When that's repealed, I no longer have access to healthcare. Me and 20 million people who need it the most will go right back to not having access. Have you noticed that since ACA passed we haven't seen stories of bankruptcy and six figure expenditures on health care? ACA was far from perfect but it at least gave access to everyone.

In summation, I can understand why you don't have the fears of a Trump presidency that I do but that's because you probably don't stand to lose much from it. You may agree or disagree with his policies but you likely won't lose a right or government provided protection that you rely on. However, there are others in this country who will LOSE rights in a way that has never truly happened in our history. And I'm not even talking about serious issues like tax reform, climate change, etc but just near basic rights people won't have.

I don't even understand why Trump's abortion and gay marriage stance worries people. As for his personal stance I don't agree with either. I am for gay marriage but don't understand why government has anything to do with marriage anyway(there is no longer a need to give married people tax breaks we don't need an increased birth rate anymore). I am pro choice but not for nine months.

But the point I want to make is he wouldn't really have any say in these things anyway, he has a constitutional stance where it would be left up to the states. You should not want the federal government to start giving itself unconstitutional power or you will end up with no rights at all. We are already fairly far down that road.

I will add I am for a certain level of socialized medicine so I feel for you, but it is obvious that Obamacare was not in the best interests of almost anyone. We need reform that will make things more affordable for the average person and take care of those in need. It has been done all over the world but Obamacare catered way to far into advancing the industry of medicine and insurance companies, it did not go far enough for the people.

I am very pro 2nd amendment which again your side does not want to respect the constitution on. Libertarian socialist here (yes that is a thing) not a Trump supporter.

[Jo Jo English]

https://www.google.com/amp/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_56e0d7cde4b065e2e3d4d82d/amp?client=safari


(Trump Says He Never Pledged To Kill Family Members Of Terrorists
"I didn't say kill. We have to go after them.")

Again as I said before,he's not a dictator and he never will be in this country to decide to kill anyone he wants. Even if he wanted to they will not let him if it's completely absurd.

So it is another example of how Trump will say one thing, watches reasonable people call him out on his insane rhetoric, then updates his opinion to "what he really meant all along." Nah, not buying it. Maybe he needs to be level-headed enough to get his quote right the first time. It's kind of an important part of the job.

Just because Trump also said what you posted doesn't mean he didn't also say what I showed you.

[League Circles]

Global warming is a fundamental consequence of the third law of thermodynamics. It is essentially impossible for global warming to not occur over the long run. We can only affect the rate at which it happens. To be fair whatever rate we choose is somewhat arbitrary.

I think a just war is simply a necessary crime against humanity. Same way government is a necessary crime against humanity (anarchy is the most "just" form of government).

[Jo Jo English]

On abortion..who in their right minds think they have a !!!!!!RIGHT!!!!!!! to end ANYONES life simply because of a inconvenience that will be placed on them??? IF YOU DONT WANT TO BE PREGNANT STOP SPEADING YOUR LEGS!!! You GAVE UP your RIGHT to do with your body as you want when YOU HAD SEX!!!then you ask the government (my tax dollars)to PAY to murder that child because you dont want the responsibility of being a parent???

Do you believe a woman who has been raped and becomes pregnant should be forced to carry her rapists' child?

Do you believe a 13-year-old girl who has been impregnated by her father should be forced to have that baby?

Do you believe a woman whose life is threatened by a pregnancy should be legally forced to have the baby even if it costs her her life?

If YOU want to murder a child that YOU created then YOU need to do so on you're OWN DIME NOT MINE!!!

You do realize that not a dime of taxpayer money funds abortions at Planned Parenthood, right?

"Abortions represent 3 percent of total services provided by Planned Parenthood, and roughly 10 percent of its clients received an abortion. The group does receive federal funding, but the money cannot be used for abortions by law. "

http://www.factcheck.org/2011/04/planned-parenthood/

So celebrate! Your dimes are safe.

To those that are against Trump i say this,dont forget that he didn't just pop into the white house,WE THE PEOPLE put him in there..the majority of us are sick of the corrupt system,the gay rights,the abortion,the war on Christianity, constantly trying to take our guns,all of the politically correct garbage.This is OUR TIME for change and to lead this country in a different direction..GO TRUMP!!!!!

Oo and BTW you can label me whatever the hell you want.the time of your hateful lables making a hill of beans are through..to hell with political correctness,GO FREEDOM OF SPEACH AND OPINION!!!

Also If this message offended or hurt anyones little feelings please feel free to print it out and shove it right up your liberal brainwashed globalist undercarriage...

Just wanted to say thank you for being you. Whenever I begin to doubt the validity of my opinions I can return to the above nugget of Trump-inspired wisdom and feel so much better about myself. Now hurry along to the hardware store. I'm sure you have some rope to buy.

[Dr Spaceman]

Global warming is a fundamental consequence of the third law of thermodynamics. It is essentially impossible for global warming to not occur over the long run. We can only affect the rate at which it happens. To be fair whatever rate we choose is somewhat arbitrary.

I think a just war is simply a necessary crime against humanity. Same way government is a necessary crime against humanity (anarchy is the most "just" form of government).

The Third Law of Thermodynamics says that molecules stop moving when temperature reaches absolute zero. So, no.

[coldfish]

Global warming is a fundamental consequence of the third law of thermodynamics. It is essentially impossible for global warming to not occur over the long run. We can only affect the rate at which it happens. To be fair whatever rate we choose is somewhat arbitrary.

I'm confused by this.

[G I N T]

Obama was also very weak on terrorism and radical Islam. Hillary was even weaker. His policies have also put the U.S. currently in what probably is the worst economic situation since the Depression. Also, Obama's lack of understanding of finance/money managing has led to the U.S. racking up record levels of debt, more than all the presidents in American history combined. In addition to a failed health care policy that the people it was supposed to help can't even afford.

National security + economy = the 2 main issues that won Trump the 2016 election and what killed Hillary. The "racism" and "bigotry/prejudice" stuff just couldn't appeal to enough of the population, despite the dramatic increase in minorities over the years.

Hillary and Obama's desire for a completely lawless and free-for-all open border where anyone and everyone (including criminals and terrorists) could just waltz into our country is a silly one that the majority of the U.S. simply did not stand for. And it is so great for America that this happened.

Even listening to Hillary talk during the debates about the economy, you could tell just how clueless she was. Randomly throwing terms like "trickle down economics" in an attempt to sound educated on economics... just didn't fly compared to Trump, who so eloquently pointed out countless examples of how Obama and Clinton's policies have failed and led to the hideous employment stats + the U.S. getting shafted on poor trade deals. Great victory for America.

[League Circles]

Global warming is a fundamental consequence of the third law of thermodynamics. It is essentially impossible for global warming to not occur over the long run. We can only affect the rate at which it happens. To be fair whatever rate we choose is somewhat arbitrary.

I think a just war is simply a necessary crime against humanity. Same way government is a necessary crime against humanity (anarchy is the most "just" form of government).

The Third Law of Thermodynamics says that molecules stop moving when temperature reaches absolute zero. So, no.

It says a lot more than that. I should note that I am relying on a logical and unavoidable assumption about interplanetary radiation when I say that it is a consequence of the third law of thermodynamics.

[InsideInfo]

I am honestly kind of sickened by the way everyone is acting. Protectors walking around holding signs that say "Love Trumps Hate" and chanting "New York hates Trump"....How does that even make sense? Burning the flag.... like wtf is wrong with these people? What do they hope to accomplish with their protest? Its like a bunch of children throwing a temper tantrum when they don't get their way.

If you like Trump you're being labeled a racist and uneducated. Yeah that's it...it has nothing to do with my healthcare premium going up 50% last week. Healthcare I am required to have because of Obama. My parents jumped up to $1600 a month! More than their mortgage.

Trump isn't perfect or even close to it, but neither is Hillary. People out on the streets protecting because we didn't elect a person who is under investigation for treason. Someone who has over and over been caught in lies. Like she was some savior to this mess our county has been.

[DanTown8587]

In summation, I can understand why you don't have the fears of a Trump presidency that I do but that's because you probably don't stand to lose much from it. You may agree or disagree with his policies but you likely won't lose a right or government provided protection that you rely on. However, there are others in this country who will LOSE rights in a way that has never truly happened in our history. And I'm not even talking about serious issues like tax reform, climate change, etc but just near basic rights people won't have.

OK, being brutally honest.

Illegal immigrants: Trump said that he is going to round them up. What that looks like is door to door searches with people being ripped out of their homes by force, transferred to internment camps before being permanently shipped to a 3rd world nation.

muslims: Trump has made it clear that he is going to have the federal government crawl up their rears. They can expect heavy monitoring with a quick trigger on criminal investigations. Basically living in a police state before being locked up or worse.

women: I have a young daughter. I wonder if when she gets to high school or college, someone will assault her using Trump's model as a reference.

That **** is awful. I think it was you that noted that any sliver of support for Trump is based around the idea that he was lying when he said this stuff. I *get* why people don't like him and are afraid of him. I don't get why people call all of his supporters racist because I *get* why *those* people support him too.

Because there are different levels of being complicit with what he does. Of course there are people who take their racism to the extreme but you cannot possibly say "I do not condone these actions yet I will vote for him". By voting for him, you are maybe not encouraging those actions but you certainly are condoning them.

When you vote for someone, you are condoning their actions. I didn't encourage Clintons email server use but after reviewing it, I did condone it because I did give her my vote.

Essentially, you don't get to choose what parts of a candidate you condone and which you don't; it's all or nothing when you cast a vote.

[Talclipse]

On abortion..who in their right minds think they have a !!!!!!RIGHT!!!!!!! to end ANYONES life simply because of a inconvenience that will be placed on them??? IF YOU DONT WANT TO BE PREGNANT STOP SPEADING YOUR LEGS!!! You GAVE UP your RIGHT to do with your body as you want when YOU HAD SEX!!!then you ask the government (my tax dollars)to PAY to murder that child because you dont want the responsibility of being a parent???

Do you believe a woman who has been raped and becomes pregnant should be forced to carry her rapists' child?

Do you believe a 13-year-old girl who has been impregnated by her father should be forced to have that baby?

Do you believe a woman whose life is threatened by a pregnancy should be legally forced to have the baby even if it costs her her life?

If YOU want to murder a child that YOU created then YOU need to do so on you're OWN DIME NOT MINE!!!

You do realize that not a dime of taxpayer money funds abortions at Planned Parenthood, right?

"Abortions represent 3 percent of total services provided by Planned Parenthood, and roughly 10 percent of its clients received an abortion. The group does receive federal funding, but the money cannot be used for abortions by law. "

http://www.factcheck.org/2011/04/planned-parenthood/

So celebrate! Your dimes are safe.

To those that are against Trump i say this,dont forget that he didn't just pop into the white house,WE THE PEOPLE put him in there..the majority of us are sick of the corrupt system,the gay rights,the abortion,the war on Christianity, constantly trying to take our guns,all of the politically correct garbage.This is OUR TIME for change and to lead this country in a different direction..GO TRUMP!!!!!

Oo and BTW you can label me whatever the hell you want.the time of your hateful lables making a hill of beans are through..to hell with political correctness,GO FREEDOM OF SPEACH AND OPINION!!!

Also If this message offended or hurt anyones little feelings please feel free to print it out and shove it right up your liberal brainwashed globalist undercarriage...

Just wanted to say thank you for being you. Whenever I begin to doubt the validity of my opinions I can return to the above nugget of Trump-inspired wisdom and feel so much better about myself. Now hurry along to the hardware store. I'm sure you have some rope to buy.

Lol ill buy my "rope" if you buy a one way plane ticket to ummm i think Iraq would be a Fantastic place for you "like minded" fokes to set up shop.

Hey you all would be doing us a favor actually,we wouldn't have to fight isis then,you all could explain and Express your feelings,and demand your gay rights in such a way that would make their frecking heads explode and save us our bombs.

Yeap your right Turmp did have it wrong.we dont need to bomb the **** out of them,we will just send them YOU and your buddies.maybe you guys can emasculate them to the point where we just need to tell the isis fighters they have a big fat ass and they run to their caves and cry about their feelings insteed of blowing everything to ****.

[League Circles]

Global warming is a fundamental consequence of the third law of thermodynamics. It is essentially impossible for global warming to not occur over the long run. We can only affect the rate at which it happens. To be fair whatever rate we choose is somewhat arbitrary.

I'm confused by this.

at the risk of exposing my logic as imperfect I will casually explained it here. The third law of thermodynamics among other things that are inherently related basically says that in a closed system, irreversible actions increase entropy of the system. All real actions are irreversible. All things being equal, higher entropy results in higher temperature. Now there is no such thing as a truly closed system and the Earth is not a closed system. However heat transfer can only occur to or from the Earth by radiation as opposed to by convection or conduction which are the other two types of heat transfer. Now we don't really have a way of knowing whether the universe is radiating heat to or away from us at a net level. In theory it could also be neutral. Of those three possibilities that there is neutral net radiation to and from the earth, that there is net radiation away from the earth, and if there is net radiation towards the Earth global warming would occur in two of the three. If we happen to be lucky enough that the way that the universe is arranged we have net heat transferred away from the Earth, then we probably don't have to worry about global warming and our real, irreversible actions on Earth are heating up the Earth in a way that we desperately need to avoid becoming too cold. However in the neutral situation or the situation where we have net radiation towards the Earth then our real, irreversible actions cause global warming. I choose to play it safe and assume that we are not in the lucky best case scenario. I don't know of any way that this could ever be measured.

[Dr Spaceman]

Global warming is a fundamental consequence of the third law of thermodynamics. It is essentially impossible for global warming to not occur over the long run. We can only affect the rate at which it happens. To be fair whatever rate we choose is somewhat arbitrary.

I think a just war is simply a necessary crime against humanity. Same way government is a necessary crime against humanity (anarchy is the most "just" form of government).

The Third Law of Thermodynamics says that molecules stop moving when temperature reaches absolute zero. So, no.

It says a lot more than that. I should note that I am relying on a logical and unavoidable assumption about interplanetary radiation when I say that it is a consequence of the third law of thermodynamics.

So explain? I've honestly never heard something like that. I have a Chemistry degree, FWIW, so im versed enough in Thermodynamics and entropy. Tell me all your assumptions.

[Dr Spaceman]

Global warming is a fundamental consequence of the third law of thermodynamics. It is essentially impossible for global warming to not occur over the long run. We can only affect the rate at which it happens. To be fair whatever rate we choose is somewhat arbitrary.

I'm confused by this.

at the risk of exposing my logic as imperfect I will casually explained it here. The third law of thermodynamics among other things that are inherently related basically says that in a closed system, irreversible actions increase entropy of the system. All real actions are irreversible. All things being equal, higher entropy results in higher temperature. Now there is no such thing as a truly closed system and the Earth is not a closed system. However heat transfer can only occur to or from the Earth by radiation as opposed to by convection or conduction which are the other two types of heat transfer. Now we don't really have a way of knowing whether the universe is radiating heat to or away from us at a net level. In theory it could also be neutral. Of those three possibilities that there is neutral net radiation to and from the earth, that there is net radiation away from the earth, and if there is net radiation towards the Earth global warming would occur in two of the three. If we happen to be lucky enough that the way that the universe is arranged we have net heat transferred away from the Earth, then we probably don't have to worry about global warming and our real, irreversible actions on Earth are heating up the Earth in a way that we desperately need to avoid becoming too cold. However in the neutral situation or the situation where we have net radiation towards the Earth then our real, irreversible actions cause global warming. I choose to play it safe and assume that we are not in the lucky best case scenario. I don't know of any way that this could ever be measured.

Oh I see. FWIW this is then 2nd law.

[Jo Jo English]

Lol ill buy my "rope" if you buy a one way plane ticket to ummm i think Iraq would be a Fantastic place for you "like minded" fokes to set up shop.

Hey you all would be doing us a favor actually,we wouldn't have to fight isis then,you all could explain and Express your feelings,and demand your gay rights in such a way that would make their frecking heads explode and save us our bombs.

Yeap your right Turmp did have it wrong.we dont need to bomb the **** out of them,we will just send them YOU and your buddies.maybe you guys can emasculate them to the point where we just need to tell the isis fighters they have a big fat ass and they run to their caves and cry about their feelings insteed of blowing everything to ****.

So not going to answer any of the questions I asked then?

Oh, I and I think I'm comfortable staying right here where I am, thanks. My country needs reasonable voices now more than ever.

[Fl_Flash]

Someone earlier in this thread had asked that this be closed. I must say, I agree with him/her. The things I'm reading in this thread, from both sides of the fence, do nothing but make me sad. We're so rooted in our own way of thinking that anyone who thinks differently is instantly slapped with some sort of label - regardless of the merit of their views.

This nation was (and has been) going downhill long before Trump or Clinton threw their hats in the ring. Calling whole swaths of people derogatory names because of the extreme outliers is counter-productive and just sad.

I respectfully request that this thread be closed. I understand the need to vent and to get feelings out there. What I'm seeing here is just more of the same posturing by both sides of an equally corrupt and broken system.

Let's just talk basketball.

[League Circles]

I'm confused by this.

at the risk of exposing my logic as imperfect I will casually explained it here. The third law of thermodynamics among other things that are inherently related basically says that in a closed system, irreversible actions increase entropy of the system. All real actions are irreversible. All things being equal, higher entropy results in higher temperature. Now there is no such thing as a truly closed system and the Earth is not a closed system. However heat transfer can only occur to or from the Earth by radiation as opposed to by convection or conduction which are the other two types of heat transfer. Now we don't really have a way of knowing whether the universe is radiating heat to or away from us at a net level. In theory it could also be neutral. Of those three possibilities that there is neutral net radiation to and from the earth, that there is net radiation away from the earth, and if there is net radiation towards the Earth global warming would occur in two of the three. If we happen to be lucky enough that the way that the universe is arranged we have net heat transferred away from the Earth, then we probably don't have to worry about global warming and our real, irreversible actions on Earth are heating up the Earth in a way that we desperately need to avoid becoming too cold. However in the neutral situation or the situation where we have net radiation towards the Earth then our real, irreversible actions cause global warming. I choose to play it safe and assume that we are not in the lucky best case scenario. I don't know of any way that this could ever be measured.

Oh I see. FWIW this is then 2nd law.

You're right, I miswrote.

[The 6ft Hurdle]

Obama was also very weak on terrorism and radical Islam. Hillary was even weaker. His policies have also put the U.S. currently in what probably is the worst economic situation since the Depression. Also, Obama's lack of understanding of finance/money managing has led to the U.S. racking up record levels of debt, more than all the presidents in American history combined. In addition to a failed health care policy that the people it was supposed to help can't even afford.

National security + economy = the 2 main issues that won Trump the 2016 election and what killed Hillary. The "racism" and "bigotry/prejudice" stuff just couldn't appeal to enough of the population, despite the dramatic increase in minorities over the years.

Hillary and Obama's desire for a completely lawless and free-for-all open border where anyone and everyone (including criminals and terrorists) could just waltz into our country is a silly one that the majority of the U.S. simply did not stand for. And it is so great for America that this happened.

Even listening to Hillary talk during the debates about the economy, you could tell just how clueless she was. Randomly throwing terms like "trickle down economics" in an attempt to sound educated on economics... just didn't fly compared to Trump, who so eloquently pointed out countless examples of how Obama and Clinton's policies have failed and led to the hideous employment stats + the U.S. getting shafted on poor trade deals. Great victory for America.

The economy is doing poorly in terms of rising debt, but not sure that it's the "worst economic situation since the Depression."

Unemployment is lower than when he came in. Jobs numbers have been ticking up, but a lot of pple are underemployed still. Corporations are doing well. Yay to that last one.

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/01/obamas-numbers-january-2016-update/

The worst economic situation since the Depression would have been the Recession, just before Obama.