OT - Trump

[Onus]

To add to it, it's not that all Lobbies and special interests are wrong or bad. They're actually needed because they are the experts in whatever it is their interests are. It's just that they are self-serving and dedicated to themselves and their interests rather than having the society as a whole's best interests. They're guided by the machinations of capitalism, and without them being checked they've run off rampantly and created the environment that suits them best and not what is best for competition.

[FNQ]

I'm positive there's going to be a lot of infighting between Trump and the GOP. But if Trump comes out and says so and so Senator doesn't want this to pass because of so and so lobby is paying him and not putting his fellow americans first. It may not change the vote or outcome but it'll put a light on what's really wrong with our current system. Since Trump hasn't been corrupted yet, I wouldn't put it past him to blasting someone like that to the media.

Now THAT would be something. However the media is just as complicit in this corruption usually. While Fox News was relatively unscathed in the wikileaks dump, I don't think its illogical to think they are in bed with the GOP the same way that the DNC was with CNN/MSNBC/Univision. At the end of the day, voters have to go out and find the information where they can and individually hold these people accountable. Politicians bet on the people NOT doing this and being distracted by the latest guy the Kardashians are banging. So far, they've been right.

That's the type of stuff I'm hoping for at the very least, because the more people realize it doesn't matter who is elected special interests and lobbies are really the ones writing laws and getting stuff passed. People need to realize the system is broken because it's bought. These special interests and lobbies don't get elected, they don't change with election to election they remain the same throughout.

As a lifelong Dem and progressive, I'm at least interested in seeing what Trump does. I'm not writing him off simply because part of his base is racist morons. Hell, I've seen racism on my side as well, ignorance by the boatload too. No party has a monopoly on the stupid people of the country. I'm not going to judge Trump because he did what he had to do to court votes. I'm going to judge him based on what he accomplishes and doesn't accomplish.

That said, if he walks back civil rights in this country, he's going to dig himself and the GOP a huge hole that will likely destroy them in the 2020 election. A large section of the LGBT community loved Bernie and went Green or abstained from voting Hillary because of the f***ery of the DNC. Having their rights taken away will mobilize them.

[FNQ]

To add to it, it's not that all Lobbies and special interests are wrong or bad. They're actually needed because they are the experts in whatever it is their interests are. It's just that they are self-serving and dedicated to themselves and their interests rather than having the society as a whole's best interests. They're guided by the machinations of capitalism, and without them being checked they've run off rampantly and created the environment that suits them best and not what is best for competition.

They aren't all bad, but as Jim Jeffries says, we have to accommodate the slowest, the dumbest.. and in this case, the most corrupt.

We need transparency in these special interest lobbies. Their interactions should be public record.

[mos_def]

Trump is pro corporations - not pro business. And certainly not pro unions.

If they didn't vote for Trump because they're racist hillbillies, they voted for Trump because they're uneducated and ignorant. Most likely a combination and mix of both.

Your rhetoric isn't helping any constructive discussion. You are calling people racists without any actual knowledge of tens of millions of people. And you're using racist remarks to do it.

Trump is very much pro business, and he has a clear understanding of how unions work.

I don't know if the guy will be a good president, I'm just reacting to certain comments made. No offense to anyone. Please I love almost all you guys and gals.

There is no constructive discussion to be had. A belligerent, drunken, misogynistic xenophobe with zero military or political experience was just voted into the WH. It's time for California to leave those rust belt hillbillies to cannabalize themselves.

We out!

You do know that the only requirements to be President of the USA is
-American citizen
- be 35 or older
- have lived in the US or 14 years before election

[mos_def]

Some are racist, but to label everyone racist cuz they voted for the other candidate is counter productive and actually bigotry in itself. SOme of these people are trying to put food on their table. You cant fault people that aren't racist for doing that

Yup

Some are just die-hard GOP that will vote red no matter what. But mainly, outside of the outspoken racists, the base is people who bought into Trump's 'elevate the middle class' stuff. He was like Bernie in that he knows his base and knows what they want. But unlike Bernie, Trump does not have a clear logical path to enact it. If Bernie ran and won, and the Senate/House went blue, he could conceivably enact some of his platform, if not most of it.

But Trump? He's going to get hit by his own side if he tries to enact what he's promised, and even by some centrist dems. These guys are so deep in the pockets of lobbies that they are completely isolated from real Americans. Even if he can get taxes and tariffs raised on non-domestic goods and services, it doesn't really help out the American people if wages remain low and we're still subsidizing corporate welfare (while bashing welfare for the people, a far less costly endeavor). I don't see any path to him getting results and I think he'll (and by he, I kinda mean the GOP-led Congress more) walk back economic growth, and in doing so, increase already unstable tensions among classes and races.

We'll see. If Trump can actually get the GOP to move towards the center for the first time in decades, then he could be a moderate success. It just seems very unlikely with the human turtle that is Mitch McConnell running the show in Congress.

I found it funny that on Trump's 100 day plan he wants to propose a term limit in Congress (which I agree with) to Mitch McConnell, who has been on office since Jimmy Carter, lol

[Onus]

Now THAT would be something. However the media is just as complicit in this corruption usually. While Fox News was relatively unscathed in the wikileaks dump, I don't think its illogical to think they are in bed with the GOP the same way that the DNC was with CNN/MSNBC/Univision. At the end of the day, voters have to go out and find the information where they can and individually hold these people accountable. Politicians bet on the people NOT doing this and being distracted by the latest guy the Kardashians are banging. So far, they've been right.

No doubt the media perpetuates the establishment, but the President gets tons of air time when ever he speaks. Trump will have ample opportunities to put people on blast and if he has to do this through some attention grabbing manner he will. We've seen him do it all throughout his campaign. He acts first and then apologizes after the fact.

As a lifelong Dem and progressive, I'm at least interested in seeing what Trump does. I'm not writing him off simply because part of his base is racist morons. Hell, I've seen racism on my side as well, ignorance by the boatload too. No party has a monopoly on the stupid people of the country. I'm not going to judge Trump because he did what he had to do to court votes. I'm going to judge him based on what he accomplishes and doesn't accomplish.

That said, if he walks back civil rights in this country, he's going to dig himself and the GOP a huge hole that will likely destroy them in the 2020 election. A large section of the LGBT community loved Bernie and went Green or abstained from voting Hillary because of the f***ery of the DNC. Having their rights taken away will mobilize them.

There's stupid everywhere you go, no matter how enlightened a group is there's always that one that brings them down.

They aren't all bad, but as Jim Jeffries says, we have to accommodate the slowest, the dumbest.. and in this case, the most corrupt.

We need transparency in these special interest lobbies. Their interactions should be public record.

It really does need to be more transparent. Currently they work in the shadows and they aren't talked about at all in the media. But everyone in Washington knows it but they can't say anything about it because they've all been perverted by the machinations of it. They don't want to be the ones whistle blowing on themselves, let alone collapsing the entire government.

The thing is that the founding fathers didn't expect people to make a living off of being a public servant, and now it's become a very lavish lifestyle for politicians and people dedicating their lives to it. Being a public servant was meant for the elite so that they wouldn't be able to be bought.

[clyde21]

Your rhetoric isn't helping any constructive discussion. You are calling people racists without any actual knowledge of tens of millions of people. And you're using racist remarks to do it.

Trump is very much pro business, and he has a clear understanding of how unions work.

I don't know if the guy will be a good president, I'm just reacting to certain comments made. No offense to anyone. Please I love almost all you guys and gals.

There is no constructive discussion to be had. A belligerent, drunken, misogynistic xenophobe with zero military or political experience was just voted into the WH. It's time for California to leave those rust belt hillbillies to cannabalize themselves.

We out!

You do know that the only requirements to be President of the USA is
-American citizen
- be 35 or older
- have lived in the US or 14 years before election

No, I had no idea man! Thanks!

[Left*My*Heart]

Transparency is something I'm really hoping for from Trump.

[Left*My*Heart]

Your rhetoric isn't helping any constructive discussion. You are calling people racists without any actual knowledge of tens of millions of people. And you're using racist remarks to do it.

Trump is very much pro business, and he has a clear understanding of how unions work.

I don't know if the guy will be a good president, I'm just reacting to certain comments made. No offense to anyone. Please I love almost all you guys and gals.

There is no constructive discussion to be had. A belligerent, drunken, misogynistic xenophobe with zero military or political experience was just voted into the WH. It's time for California to leave those rust belt hillbillies to cannabalize themselves.

We out!

You do know that the only requirements to be President of the USA is
-American citizen
- be 35 or older
- have lived in the US or 14 years before election

And a natural born citizen, which no one knows exactly what that means.

The other requirement not listed is an insane amount of money.

[GoldenState4Life]

http://m.sfgate.com/crime/article/30-arrested-3-officers-hurt-in-Oakland-10606094.php

[mos_def]

The thing is that the founding fathers didn't expect people to make a living off of being a public servant, and now it's become a very lavish lifestyle for politicians and people dedicating their lives to it. Being a public servant was meant for the elite so that they wouldn't be able to be bought.

Truman said "You cant get rich in politics unless you're a crook."

[FNQ]

Some are racist, but to label everyone racist cuz they voted for the other candidate is counter productive and actually bigotry in itself. SOme of these people are trying to put food on their table. You cant fault people that aren't racist for doing that

Yup

Some are just die-hard GOP that will vote red no matter what. But mainly, outside of the outspoken racists, the base is people who bought into Trump's 'elevate the middle class' stuff. He was like Bernie in that he knows his base and knows what they want. But unlike Bernie, Trump does not have a clear logical path to enact it. If Bernie ran and won, and the Senate/House went blue, he could conceivably enact some of his platform, if not most of it.

But Trump? He's going to get hit by his own side if he tries to enact what he's promised, and even by some centrist dems. These guys are so deep in the pockets of lobbies that they are completely isolated from real Americans. Even if he can get taxes and tariffs raised on non-domestic goods and services, it doesn't really help out the American people if wages remain low and we're still subsidizing corporate welfare (while bashing welfare for the people, a far less costly endeavor). I don't see any path to him getting results and I think he'll (and by he, I kinda mean the GOP-led Congress more) walk back economic growth, and in doing so, increase already unstable tensions among classes and races.

We'll see. If Trump can actually get the GOP to move towards the center for the first time in decades, then he could be a moderate success. It just seems very unlikely with the human turtle that is Mitch McConnell running the show in Congress.

I found it funny that on Trump's 100 day plan he wants to propose a term limit in Congress (which I agree with) to Mitch McConnell, who has been on office since Jimmy Carter, lol

Would be nice. I doubt that the Congress would let their cushy elitist jobs go without a significant fight, but if Trump could actually make that happen.. outside of it being a miracle, it would be one of the biggest steps forward in fighting government corruption in quite a long time.

[Onus]

The thing is that the founding fathers didn't expect people to make a living off of being a public servant, and now it's become a very lavish lifestyle for politicians and people dedicating their lives to it. Being a public servant was meant for the elite so that they wouldn't be able to be bought.

Truman said "You cant get rich in politics unless you're a crook."

And just about everyone in politics is rich now ...

The fact that they're all dirty is worse than Trump being a bigot/misogynist/etc/etc because Trump is upfront about these things. The other politician all claim to be upstanding citizens while they're all duping the public and selling America off to the highest bidder. I'd rather know the evils that I'm facing rather than finding out our heroes are actually our enemies. Those are the worst evils because they prayed upon our trust. The entire institution should be behind bars including the supreme court justices voting for Citizens United.

[old rem]

To add to it, it's not that all Lobbies and special interests are wrong or bad. They're actually needed because they are the experts in whatever it is their interests are. It's just that they are self-serving and dedicated to themselves and their interests rather than having the society as a whole's best interests. They're guided by the machinations of capitalism, and without them being checked they've run off rampantly and created the environment that suits them best and not what is best for competition.

They aren't all bad, but as Jim Jeffries says, we have to accommodate the slowest, the dumbest.. and in this case, the most corrupt.

We need transparency in these special interest lobbies. Their interactions should be public record.

Well.... Trump is NOT into Transparancy, WILL have massive "conflict of Interest" His own hired guns could not keep him on the leash. This will be a 4 year dark sitcom. Maybe we learn a lesson? Maybe it's the beginning of the End of the USA we THOUGHT we knew. I'm now too damn old to flee to Canada. I am now too lazy to get tear gassed or march around. I figure the Fringe nutjobs will do HUGE damage and ENOUGH of America will WAKE THE FCK UP that ...in 4 yr we act like sane adults. If not......we got what we deserved.

[Onus]

To add to it, it's not that all Lobbies and special interests are wrong or bad. They're actually needed because they are the experts in whatever it is their interests are. It's just that they are self-serving and dedicated to themselves and their interests rather than having the society as a whole's best interests. They're guided by the machinations of capitalism, and without them being checked they've run off rampantly and created the environment that suits them best and not what is best for competition.

They aren't all bad, but as Jim Jeffries says, we have to accommodate the slowest, the dumbest.. and in this case, the most corrupt.

We need transparency in these special interest lobbies. Their interactions should be public record.

Well.... Trump is NOT into Transparancy, WILL have massive "conflict of Interest" His own hired guns could not keep him on the leash. This will be a 4 year dark sitcom. Maybe we learn a lesson? Maybe it's the beginning of the End of the USA we THOUGHT we knew. I'm now too damn old to flee to Canada. I am now too lazy to get tear gassed or march around. I figure the Fringe nutjobs will do HUGE damage and ENOUGH of America will WAKE THE FCK UP that ...in 4 yr we act like sane adults. If not......we got what we deserved.

No offense to you older guys but that's why revolutions begin with young people. They aren't nearly as invested and have the youthful exuberance and ignorance to do something.

[FNQ]

The thing about Trump is that we know he's an egomaniac.. and that's not a terrible thing. I think it will make him do everything he can for the people, at least at first. I don't know how he'll respond to adversity, in fact, I'm pretty sure that part will be a s**tshow. I truly believe Trump will try and do things for the middle class, and will be an unpredictable President. And while that tends to scare a lot of people, it can also draw back the curtain of DC, and that's the one thing that both parties are extremely adamant about.

[clyde21]

Like I said...not Trump that I'm scared of, it's the belligerent, racist scumbags that mobilized to vote for him. Pathetic:

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[clyde21]

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[clyde21]

And you guys are trying to tell me this election WASN'T a white backlash against minorities? Lol...

[clyde21]

In my own backyard...

http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/11/09/woman-wearing-hijab-attacked-at-san-jose-state/