OT - Trump

[Toddl18]

I agree with most of the things you said about Hillary. Unfortunately you didn't do the same amount of research about Trump.

1) he is going to court, soon. Look up why. There are actions. And historical actions. And if your response is "we'll he was never convicted", well, neither was Hillary

2) useless platitudes about fixing loopholes that the GOP previously fought for will not be overturned. He cannot control the entire GOP platform. There is a reason the GOP fought tooth and nail against him for so long. We need wage increases and stuff taxes on internationally produced goods to revive our economy. It should cost more to produce things internationally - until it does, we will have problems.

3) I don't care about cutting or expanding taxes. I carr what that money is spent on. The part of the DNC platform that Bernie wrote was clear on that. I've seen no such plan from Trump yet. If it's business as usual, more than half of your taxes will go towards military actions, which are predominantly bombing middle eastern countries to keep our oil supply strong. Currently our tax situation is: we are an oil company with an army

4) agree on most. The wall is a boondoggle and most illegals come legally. The amount of money it would take to do what Trump has suggested is insanely more than the returns citizens would get from it. It's scapegoating 101, and it deflects from point #3, where our outrage should be

5) the ACA crushed middle class and lower-middle class people with insane premiums and reduced coverage. Obamacare was half-assed. Without regulations on the health industry (like pharmacy bro Martin shkreki and worst person in the world Heather Bresch), Obamacare created nice stats to point at but did nothing to solve legitimate issues for citizens

6) won't happen. Ironically enough, trump would need executive orders in order to impose term limits - there's no way these people will give up theur cushy, elitist, lobbyist-funded lives on an outsider's say so. So these points directly conflict with each other.

7) if he walks back civil rights at all, he is walking back social progress. With Pence as VP, there is more to suggest he will walk them back. But it isn't a foregone conclusion.. but it sure as hell was something he pandered about and I think it's disingenuous to imply that he likely will be a civil rights ally. So far, the rhetoric has been the complete opposite

8) this one is interesting. It compares how the 2 party think-tanks reacted to their party'a anti-establishment candidate. Both parties fought against them. The media was the difference though, in total favor of Trump. Because the left media gave Trump so much airtime and gave Bernie so little, they gave Trump the platform he needed to win people over. Bernie won over so many despite not being on TV - the medium that is used for news by the senior block, the highest voter turnout block every single cycle. So in reality, the mainstream media gifted Trump the presidency by letting people see him. Their analysis, as always, went ignored because of its partisan nature. It doesn't convince anyone, it just reinforces people who already are on your side. Which does nothing to help win an election.

Its easy to dismiss a Trump presidency if you haven't been targeted. But LGBTQ, women, Muslims, Latins, and AA have been targeted. They feel unsafe. Not just because of things Trump has said, but because the stupid people of this country now feel emboldened to spray paint swastikas in places. To harass minorities. To harass special interest groups. The impact of a Trump presidency has far more reach than just what laws he will try to impose - social tensions are at an all time high for most people'a lifetimes. That's the biggest concern: the left violently protesting and the alt-right vandalizing and harassing.

Well Trump, you lead us now. What are you going to do about it?

1. I agree he has had major lawsuits and I never meant to gloss over them to the point, the point that I was trying make a issue about with those suits however is there hasn't been any information release that enforces the case where as in Hilary case in Wikileaks and testimony there is.

2. Your right its an uphill battle to try to get reform for stuff they wanted but they have the numbers, and I will give him and them a benefit of the doubt that they can come to some agreement if not that says a lot about the dysfunction inside both parties and where priorities are.

3. I think in order to do anything that Bernie wanted or anyone else you have to the money there which isn't happening now. The congress has to make a budget and adhere to it and I think a guy like Ron Paul who is very fiscally responsible would be the best bet for both parties in managing that budget.

4. The wall is a complex issue that I glossed over I feel that even with a wall unless they go down deep it can be defeated by tunnels or ladders. I look at the wall like I look at TSA as a false sense of security the reason why I welcome his policies on it is that he will allow enforcement officers to actively capture illegal immigrants which right now they aren't doing and are actively being told to stand down.

6. The executive orders can be done by just Trump, but the other stuff will require the career politicians to do it. I feel the people speaking the way they did will provide a climate where it is possible more so then ever before or at least one can hope so.

7. Agree I feel the same way as you on it, I don't care what others do as long as they aren't hurting other people or animals.

8. I attribute the amount of air time more on Trumps ability to brand and less on the media part. They did inadvertently help him and I do think that out of all the candidates in both parties running Bernie got the rawest deal. He was screwed over at every turn and that is completely unjustifiable for any party to do. If it was on the other foot I'd feel the same exact way the media shouldn't be picking winners and losers on who to push for office.

I completely agree with you on that and there has been a lot of oppression in our society, and there is absolutely no place for any of that in my mind. I don't think people should be judged on any of that crap and I feel the majority of Americans feel that way but we live in a world with stupidly and unfortunately it won't ever be fully irradiated but a common misconception that has been pushed is that he is those things. Thanks for your points they are all very well thought out and honestly very good points that I missed. The nuclear war thing was the deal breaker for me I will not support a candidate that do that or goes to war on a whim. I learned my mistake by bush during his first term.

[turk3d]

I agree with most of the things you said about Hillary. Unfortunately you didn't do the same amount of research about Trump.

1) he is going to court, soon. Look up why. There are actions. And historical actions. And if your response is "we'll he was never convicted", well, neither was Hillary

2) useless platitudes about fixing loopholes that the GOP previously fought for will not be overturned. He cannot control the entire GOP platform. There is a reason the GOP fought tooth and nail against him for so long. We need wage increases and stuff taxes on internationally produced goods to revive our economy. It should cost more to produce things internationally - until it does, we will have problems.

3) I don't care about cutting or expanding taxes. I carr what that money is spent on. The part of the DNC platform that Bernie wrote was clear on that. I've seen no such plan from Trump yet. If it's business as usual, more than half of your taxes will go towards military actions, which are predominantly bombing middle eastern countries to keep our oil supply strong. Currently our tax situation is: we are an oil company with an army

4) agree on most. The wall is a boondoggle and most illegals come legally. The amount of money it would take to do what Trump has suggested is insanely more than the returns citizens would get from it. It's scapegoating 101, and it deflects from point #3, where our outrage should be

5) the ACA crushed middle class and lower-middle class people with insane premiums and reduced coverage. Obamacare was half-assed. Without regulations on the health industry (like pharmacy bro Martin shkreki and worst person in the world Heather Bresch), Obamacare created nice stats to point at but did nothing to solve legitimate issues for citizens

6) won't happen. Ironically enough, trump would need executive orders in order to impose term limits - there's no way these people will give up theur cushy, elitist, lobbyist-funded lives on an outsider's say so. So these points directly conflict with each other.

7) if he walks back civil rights at all, he is walking back social progress. With Pence as VP, there is more to suggest he will walk them back. But it isn't a foregone conclusion.. but it sure as hell was something he pandered about and I think it's disingenuous to imply that he likely will be a civil rights ally. So far, the rhetoric has been the complete opposite

8) this one is interesting. It compares how the 2 party think-tanks reacted to their party'a anti-establishment candidate. Both parties fought against them. The media was the difference though, in total favor of Trump. Because the left media gave Trump so much airtime and gave Bernie so little, they gave Trump the platform he needed to win people over. Bernie won over so many despite not being on TV - the medium that is used for news by the senior block, the highest voter turnout block every single cycle. So in reality, the mainstream media gifted Trump the presidency by letting people see him. Their analysis, as always, went ignored because of its partisan nature. It doesn't convince anyone, it just reinforces people who already are on your side. Which does nothing to help win an election.

Its easy to dismiss a Trump presidency if you haven't been targeted. But LGBTQ, women, Muslims, Latins, and AA have been targeted. They feel unsafe. Not just because of things Trump has said, but because the stupid people of this country now feel emboldened to spray paint swastikas in places. To harass minorities. To harass special interest groups. The impact of a Trump presidency has far more reach than just what laws he will try to impose - social tensions are at an all time high for most people'a lifetimes. That's the biggest concern: the left violently protesting and the alt-right vandalizing and harassing.

Well Trump, you lead us now. What are you going to do about it?

Sadly fnq, I think you've pretty much nailed it. The only thing that I might disagree with you on is 8). I think Trump pretty much hoodwinked the media (the same way that he'd done the same to the American people in addition to Washington). With all the terrible things he said in the campaign, he was able to get unprecedented airtime for absolutely nothing.

AMOF, he was definitely unliked by the media (other than Fox who could probably be called "Trump News" instead). He played the media like a fiddle. All you have to do is say something outrageous and you get instant coverage which is how he was able to get so much coverage spending way less than Hillary did.

To his credit, he didn't take any money from special interest groups and funded his own campaign (for much less than it would have cost him if he did it the conventional way). I think that one of the questions we need to ask ourselves is how much of his rhetoric was genuine or how much of it was just to get media attention? Either way, it worked. Let's hope that a lot of the stuff he said was BS (one case where we hope the politician which he's not was lying to us, lol).

[FNQ]

Referring to the media, MSNBC and CNN gave Trump an inordinate amount of time in both the primaries and the general. And they did so, per wikileaks, under the direction of the DNC. It's at that point I really realized how influential the media truly is in shaping our government, and how these people are just as responsible as the DNC in our current situation. So when I see a scumbag shill like Joy Reid start attacking Susan Sarandon (how dare you go Green, this is your fault!) I f**king lose it. The DNC and its cronies have learned nothing from this, nothing at all.

For example, Bernie was giving speeches left and right with enormous crowds. Left-leaning CNN/MSNBC opted instead of showing Bernie at these rallies, to show an empty Trump podium and talk about the wall for an hour, until Trump showed up. So while media personalities trashed Trump all over the place, they forgot one thing: most people do not give a s**t what their opinions on candidates actually are. So if you take out their partisan political opinions, you are left with hours and hours of Trump coverage. Which I believe was the #1 driving force in making Trump president. I think if CNN/MSNBC gave Bernie the same amount of coverage as HRC, he wins the primaries. But the DNC wasn't going to let their will be subverted in 2 consecutive primaries. Good for them.

To be 100% fair, as a Bernie supporter, I still found a lot of things Trump did to be good for politics. That he isn't kowtowing to the party is by far my favorite thing about him.

[FNQ]

I completely agree with you on that and there has been a lot of oppression in our society, and there is absolutely no place for any of that in my mind. I don't think people should be judged on any of that crap and I feel the majority of Americans feel that way but we live in a world with stupidly and unfortunately it won't ever be fully irradiated but a common misconception that has been pushed is that he is those things. Thanks for your points they are all very well thought out and honestly very good points that I missed. The nuclear war thing was the deal breaker for me I will not support a candidate that do that or goes to war on a whim. I learned my mistake by bush during his first term.

Unfortunately, this election cycle has confirmed for me that this war is our #1 export. Actually that may not be fair - we're not sure what Trump will do. I truly believe that if Clinton won, the tensions between us and Russia, us and Syria, and us and a glut of other middle east countries (Turkey, Yemen, Palestine, Iran) would be too palpable, and war with one of those countries would be inevitable. Trump.. he talked big. Since winning, he's been a very different person. Time will tell what he does. At this point, all we can do is hope for the best.

Side note: these protests are killing me. We get it. I get it. Trump wasn't your choice. He's emboldened racists. And yes, that sucks, but watering down protests is not effective. What happens when Trump makes a legitimately bad decision - one that he made, not that he indirectly caused - and the protest part of it becomes a tired, expected move? I dunno.. I feel politics in this country has become incredibly emotional instead of pragmatic.

[Mylie10]

this election was totally a "whitelash" against the last 8 years for having a black president. Was it the main driving force? Certainly not, but it is when you have the tea party making up a sizable portion of his base.

I also think it was true people wanted to lash back against the political elite. Given the choice of a political insider vs outsider the American people chose the unqualified outsider, hate rhetoric be damned.

In the end we really don't know how a Trump as president will go as he's not in any way shape or form a traditional concmservative. He may piss of dems, but there's a likelihood he pisses off Republicans too.

We'all see if his call for unity is real or he just continues his con man speech.

This is so wrong....just makes me believe that people spouting this are still falling for the Elite Media driven divisive reporting built in to scare and anger people.

Even Michael Moore, who is no conservative or right leaning thinker by any stretch of the imagination has said this. Do some homework and stop with the rhetoric.

[Mylie10]

I completely agree with you on that and there has been a lot of oppression in our society, and there is absolutely no place for any of that in my mind. I don't think people should be judged on any of that crap and I feel the majority of Americans feel that way but we live in a world with stupidly and unfortunately it won't ever be fully irradiated but a common misconception that has been pushed is that he is those things. Thanks for your points they are all very well thought out and honestly very good points that I missed. The nuclear war thing was the deal breaker for me I will not support a candidate that do that or goes to war on a whim. I learned my mistake by bush during his first term.

Unfortunately, this election cycle has confirmed for me that this war is our #1 export. Actually that may not be fair - we're not sure what Trump will do. I truly believe that if Clinton won, the tensions between us and Russia, us and Syria, and us and a glut of other middle east countries (Turkey, Yemen, Palestine, Iran) would be too palpable, and war with one of those countries would be inevitable. Trump.. he talked big. Since winning, he's been a very different person. Time will tell what he does. At this point, all we can do is hope for the best.

Side note: these protests are killing me. We get it. I get it. Trump wasn't your choice. He's emboldened racists. And yes, that sucks, but watering down protests is not effective. What happens when Trump makes a legitimately bad decision - one that he made, not that he indirectly caused - and the protest part of it becomes a tired, expected move? I dunno.. I feel politics in this country has become incredibly emotional instead of pragmatic.

Man dude, you are so enfuego!

[Onus]

I completely agree with you on that and there has been a lot of oppression in our society, and there is absolutely no place for any of that in my mind. I don't think people should be judged on any of that crap and I feel the majority of Americans feel that way but we live in a world with stupidly and unfortunately it won't ever be fully irradiated but a common misconception that has been pushed is that he is those things. Thanks for your points they are all very well thought out and honestly very good points that I missed. The nuclear war thing was the deal breaker for me I will not support a candidate that do that or goes to war on a whim. I learned my mistake by bush during his first term.

Unfortunately, this election cycle has confirmed for me that this war is our #1 export. Actually that may not be fair - we're not sure what Trump will do. I truly believe that if Clinton won, the tensions between us and Russia, us and Syria, and us and a glut of other middle east countries (Turkey, Yemen, Palestine, Iran) would be too palpable, and war with one of those countries would be inevitable. Trump.. he talked big. Since winning, he's been a very different person. Time will tell what he does. At this point, all we can do is hope for the best.

Side note: these protests are killing me. We get it. I get it. Trump wasn't your choice. He's emboldened racists. And yes, that sucks, but watering down protests is not effective. What happens when Trump makes a legitimately bad decision - one that he made, not that he indirectly caused - and the protest part of it becomes a tired, expected move? I dunno.. I feel politics in this country has become incredibly emotional instead of pragmatic.

War is without a doubt our no. 1 export. We spend so much on defense that we need to give the leftovers to someone.

Also the protests are a good sign, if you think a revolution is coming. These protests aren't going to do anything and hopefully they'll move on to the next step at some point. The good sign is that people are learning how to mobilize and it shows that there's so much anger in the country. From the occupy movement, to black lives matter too, and now the trump protests. Pretty soon people are going to realize protests aren't doing anything and will move to the next step.

[FNQ]

I completely agree with you on that and there has been a lot of oppression in our society, and there is absolutely no place for any of that in my mind. I don't think people should be judged on any of that crap and I feel the majority of Americans feel that way but we live in a world with stupidly and unfortunately it won't ever be fully irradiated but a common misconception that has been pushed is that he is those things. Thanks for your points they are all very well thought out and honestly very good points that I missed. The nuclear war thing was the deal breaker for me I will not support a candidate that do that or goes to war on a whim. I learned my mistake by bush during his first term.

Unfortunately, this election cycle has confirmed for me that this war is our #1 export. Actually that may not be fair - we're not sure what Trump will do. I truly believe that if Clinton won, the tensions between us and Russia, us and Syria, and us and a glut of other middle east countries (Turkey, Yemen, Palestine, Iran) would be too palpable, and war with one of those countries would be inevitable. Trump.. he talked big. Since winning, he's been a very different person. Time will tell what he does. At this point, all we can do is hope for the best.

Side note: these protests are killing me. We get it. I get it. Trump wasn't your choice. He's emboldened racists. And yes, that sucks, but watering down protests is not effective. What happens when Trump makes a legitimately bad decision - one that he made, not that he indirectly caused - and the protest part of it becomes a tired, expected move? I dunno.. I feel politics in this country has become incredibly emotional instead of pragmatic.

War is without a doubt our no. 1 export. We spend so much on defense that we need to give the leftovers to someone.

Also the protests are a good sign, if you think a revolution is coming. These protests aren't going to do anything and hopefully they'll move on to the next step at some point. The good sign is that people are learning how to mobilize and it shows that there's so much anger in the country. From the occupy movement, to black lives matter too, and now the trump protests. Pretty soon people are going to realize protests aren't doing anything and will move to the next step.

I feel like that next step will be a violent one. There's so much tension and the establishment parties - both sides - refuse to budge and essentially feel like they are justified in lying and manipulating the public. All I can say is they are lucky Bernie Sanders is so huge on peace, because if he was someone who was more of the 'by any means necessary' types, with his charisma, who knows what might happen.

Maybe Americans are waiting for that type of person. Sadly, maybe America needs that type of person :shrug:

[Little Digger]

Duterte for King of the World! (not kidding)..America (except for Filipino/Americans) doesnt have a clue about the guy. He's humble, smart, devoted, charismatic, educated, experienced, ruthless, ect ect

[510TWSS]

this election was totally a "whitelash" against the last 8 years for having a black president. Was it the main driving force? Certainly not, but it is when you have the tea party making up a sizable portion of his base.

I also think it was true people wanted to lash back against the political elite. Given the choice of a political insider vs outsider the American people chose the unqualified outsider, hate rhetoric be damned.

In the end we really don't know how a Trump as president will go as he's not in any way shape or form a traditional concmservative. He may piss of dems, but there's a likelihood he pisses off Republicans too.

We'all see if his call for unity is real or he just continues his con man speech.

This is so wrong....just makes me believe that people spouting this are still falling for the Elite Media driven divisive reporting built in to scare and anger people.

Even Michael Moore, who is no conservative or right leaning thinker by any stretch of the imagination has said this. Do some homework and stop with the rhetoric.

Don't even watch MSM, but it's apparent to anyone paying attention and not buying into the rhetoric. This was a culmination of a multitude of things, but to say race had nothing to do with it doesn't paint an accurate picture of the current political climate.

There was hope for a post-racial america after Obama was voted in, but unfortunately we're no closer to that than we were before 08'.

[Money_]

Most of us are horrified this happened...
But I saw it coming. Too many pissed off people and Trump was the only one pandering to them.

Btw, he just announced that he will not be rolling back so called "Obama" care as promised. He played them like a violin.

[mos_def]

Most of us are horrified this happened...
But I saw it coming. Too many pissed off people and Trump was the only one pandering to them.

Btw, he just announced that he will not be rolling back so called "Obama" care as promised. He played them like a violin.

that is a little misleading. he likes the cant discriminate against pre-existing conditions. it was the same thing Ben Carson talked about and Ben is in charge of the shakeup. A lot of Trump's 100 day plan is the same thing Ben Carson wanted

[Toddl18]

I completely agree with you on that and there has been a lot of oppression in our society, and there is absolutely no place for any of that in my mind. I don't think people should be judged on any of that crap and I feel the majority of Americans feel that way but we live in a world with stupidly and unfortunately it won't ever be fully irradiated but a common misconception that has been pushed is that he is those things. Thanks for your points they are all very well thought out and honestly very good points that I missed. The nuclear war thing was the deal breaker for me I will not support a candidate that do that or goes to war on a whim. I learned my mistake by bush during his first term.

Unfortunately, this election cycle has confirmed for me that this war is our #1 export. Actually that may not be fair - we're not sure what Trump will do. I truly believe that if Clinton won, the tensions between us and Russia, us and Syria, and us and a glut of other middle east countries (Turkey, Yemen, Palestine, Iran) would be too palpable, and war with one of those countries would be inevitable. Trump.. he talked big. Since winning, he's been a very different person. Time will tell what he does. At this point, all we can do is hope for the best.

Side note: these protests are killing me. We get it. I get it. Trump wasn't your choice. He's emboldened racists. And yes, that sucks, but watering down protests is not effective. What happens when Trump makes a legitimately bad decision - one that he made, not that he indirectly caused - and the protest part of it becomes a tired, expected move? I dunno.. I feel politics in this country has become incredibly emotional instead of pragmatic.

I completely agree with you there it is so disheartening that this is the case and that we really are a nation that warmongers in other nations affairs. It is so alarming if you read press outside of the United States on the stuff we do and how they view us and to be truthful I think it would burst quite a few peoples bubble. I am sick and tired of seeing our young men and women going to fight wars that we have no business fighting for. Destabilizing regions and selling arms to both sides of a conflict none of those things should be things we should be actively doing and compounding that problem with not taking care of said troops when we get home is just sad. I have tried over the last few election cycles to make that a issue on my candidates that I vote for and to make sure that they share my views on it in an feeble attempt at stopping them from doing it.

[jason bourne]

I was for Obama until his second term. Was like fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. He just has not fixed the economy, only instituted higher taxes and spending, lied about lowering my health premiums and better health care, and focused on what the progressives want. This time I wanted better jobs (not government part-time jobs) and a democracy back. I was scared of the rich taking over in their devious ways. I was okay with Obamacare and okay moving to a socialist republic. Was for Bernie Sanders, but realized the Democratic Party is rigged just like Trump said. Sanders had no chance because he didn't have support of the superdelegates. One can't get nominated in the Democrat Party without it. Hillary Clinton had all the power, money and delegates and superdelegates on her side. What got me was she still had to cheat in the debates. That was the straw that broke the camel's back when Donna Brazile gave her the questions for all her debates.

The richest people in this country are now on the Democrat side. However, circa 2010, the political landscape has greatly changed with Citizens United. That gave the billionaires power to make unlimited contributions through their corporations. America isn't a democracy anymore, but ruling by the few -- an oligarchy. The rich control the Democratic Party and this has led to corruption, i.e. The Clinton Foundation. They control the mainstream media, so that's why I think people are anxious about a Trump presidency. It's xenophobia and the rest built up on the Democrat side by the MSM. The media is bought and paid for by the Silicon Valley billionaires, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, so you get a distorted view. I could not figure out why Greg Popovich was saying Trump had a "xenophobic, homophobic, racist, misogynistic" Even journalists on Twitter are in trouble because of threatening to assassinate Trump. Grubhub CEO told his employees if they are like Trump to hand in their resignations. This on top of the protests and riots yesterday. The anxiety and xenophobia on the far left side is rampant!

Finally, I don't want pussy men, political correctness, global warming (when the rich continue to fly in their private jets without a care) or some of the more leftist Dems telling me how to fix my racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, harm to the climate attitude. I don't think I have a racist, sexist, harm to the earth and climate attitude. Why are the progressives forcing their unfounded beliefs down my throat?

[jason bourne]

I completely agree with you there it is so disheartening that this is the case and that we really are a nation that warmongers in other nations affairs. It is so alarming if you read press outside of the United States on the stuff we do and how they view us and to be truthful I think it would burst quite a few peoples bubble. I am sick and tired of seeing our young men and women going to fight wars that we have no business fighting for. Destabilizing regions and selling arms to both sides of a conflict none of those things should be things we should be actively doing and compounding that problem with not taking care of said troops when we get home is just sad. I have tried over the last few election cycles to make that a issue on my candidates that I vote for and to make sure that they share my views on it in an feeble attempt at stopping them from doing it.

Every POTUS in my lifetime has sent us off to wars. What Wikileaks exposed was that we are sent off to wars by the super rich. They do not care about the people at all. Just the elites and how much more money they can make. The modern bankers today appoint the POTUS cabinet. That's how it's done.

[Warriorfan]

I believe Trump's agenda will be more of an economic eg mainly jobs and trade imbalance agenda then social one .

I think the Mexican wall will be built because it provides jobs, and will stand as a landmark to Trump ego.

One note on all the protests over 100 million in donations have recently been given to what originally was grass roots to now serving as a liberal agenda proxy.

Eg.
Billionaire Soros has given over 33 million to Black Lives Matter.

[yesh]

I was for Obama until his second term. Was like fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. He just has not fixed the economy, only instituted higher taxes and spending, lied about lowering my health premiums and better health care, and focused on what the progressives want. This time I wanted better jobs (not government part-time jobs) and a democracy back. I was scared of the rich taking over in their devious ways. I was okay with Obamacare and okay moving to a socialist republic. Was for Bernie Sanders, but realized the Democratic Party is rigged just like Trump said. Sanders had no chance because he didn't have support of the superdelegates. One can't get nominated in the Democrat Party without it. Hillary Clinton had all the power, money and delegates and superdelegates on her side. What got me was she still had to cheat in the debates. That was the straw that broke the camel's back when Donna Brazile gave her the questions for all her debates.

The richest people in this country are now on the Democrat side. However, circa 2010, the political landscape has greatly changed with Citizens United. That gave the billionaires power to make unlimited contributions through their corporations. America isn't a democracy anymore, but ruling by the few -- an oligarchy. The rich control the Democratic Party and this has led to corruption, i.e. The Clinton Foundation. They control the mainstream media, so that's why I think people are anxious about a Trump presidency. It's xenophobia and the rest built up on the Democrat side by the MSM. The media is bought and paid for by the Silicon Valley billionaires, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, so you get a distorted view. I could not figure out why Greg Popovich was saying Trump had a "xenophobic, homophobic, racist, misogynistic" Even journalists on Twitter are in trouble because of threatening to assassinate Trump. Grubhub CEO told his employees if they are like Trump to hand in their resignations. This on top of the protests and riots yesterday. The anxiety and xenophobia on the far left side is rampant!

Finally, I don't want pussy men, political correctness, global warming (when the rich continue to fly in their private jets without a care) or some of the more leftist Dems telling me how to fix my racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, harm to the climate attitude. I don't think I have a racist, sexist, harm to the earth and climate attitude. Why are the progressives forcing their unfounded beliefs down my throat?

I really hate doing this as someone from the UK that doesn't even live in your country. but that is just full of a mixture of some valid points about your feelings, mixed in with inaccuracies and untruths.

Obama took over an economy haemorrhaging 7-800k jobs per month, and he's done pretty well to have unemployment at around 5% currently, working with in a toxic republican environment, who all met up on his inauguration day and agreed to oppose him on every single thing he did. Coupled with the insane tea party who were primarying extremist to their right. The tea party was a primarily racist movement dressed up as worried about the deficits and taxes. Funny how they were't too worried about W giving tax breaks to the richest in society whilst involved in war. W kept war spending off the books, which is why the deficit ballooned under Obama. Y'know, pesky illegal wars don't pay for themselves; who'd a thunk it?

Sanders didn't have a chance mainly because he got into the race 6-12 months too late, but the corporate democrats in charge of the DNC certainly didn't help him. The democratic party is not made up of progressives.

Government jobs decreased massivly under Obama because the republicans wouldn't provide funding for anything, so that job growth has come pretty much exclusively through the private sector.

The richest people almost certainly aren't pro-democrats. Take Marc Cuban as an example, he openly admits he's a republican but was so perturbed by what Trump was saying during the campaigns, that he couldn't allow his preferences to take privilege over the country. He's even said his pocket would be better under republicans because they will give tax breaks to the wealthiest. please don't tell me you believe in the myth of trickle down economics?

you cite citizens united as being responsible for the unlimited donations to candidates, and I agree 100%. it's a shame that democrats wanted to change that law and with a 5-s supreme court majority, and a president, they would have been able to o so. Well, republicans stole that judge away with unprecedented tactics, and will now hold the supreme court for at least the next 40 or so years with 2 justices in their 80's. So well played if that was one of your major issues.

Ah yes, the mainstream media bias in favour of Clinton. You do know that fox is the most watched news source in America, right? Then take MSNBC who used to be mainly liberal, but even they still have the crazed Joe Scarborough/chuck todd (do you know what the statistics are for MTP having white republican males as their main guests?) and a host of other right wingers. Name one liberal with their own shows on Fox? The media isn't liberal in America. it's corporotist. Arguments are good for their business, which is why they generally settle on both sides. EG: Democrats want to protect the environment, republicans (heavily funded by old energy lobbyists) believe that climate change is a hoax; then the host will say, interesting debate. There is no fact checking in the media, that's why people are being let down, not because they are in the shill for the clintons.

You do realise that Trump calling mexicans rapists and Muslims terrorists is a mix of xenophobia and racism? You do understand that trump saying he can grab women by the pussies because he's a star is misogynistic? Mike Pence wants to take away funding for AIDS and HIV, and por that Money to realignment therapy to try and @fix@ gay people? I genuinely wish you well sir, but I sincerely hope you don't need medicare or social security in the future because I'm not sure you'll have anything left after Paul Ryan has finished with them. He's already floating the idea of privatising medicare, so lets see how this non-pussy man works out for your country now it's in the grip of a Randian paradise mixed with a Christian theocracy.

[cpower]

I think this is inevitable . This is meant to happen. Just think about it, us already had a black president, and an almost 100% woman president, then what? Asian/Hspanic president? Everything happens just too fast. I am from Canada and we are supposed to be mutil-culture society and we have not had a black PM candidate yet.

[wco81]

Americans don't really like Trump but the DNC failed to give us a reason to be excited for someone to beat him either. They really screwed the pooch when they forced her on us (despite Bernie representing the party's true fire) and tried to convince us it was her time. I don't think Trump beats Bernie, because Bernie taps into the same sentiments as Trump without all the crazy hateful elements.

Trump's election is a failure on the part of the DNC. They put getting Hillary elected above party objectives and it bit them in the butt in the end.

Trump getting elected was a failure by both parties. No one in the RNC wanted Trump or supported Trump yet they couldn't do anything about it. Whereas the DNC was able to push their candidate through the primaries even though no one wanted Hillary. The RNC is broken but the DNC pushed their agenda through with Hillary. This is exactly why the Americans voted for Trump, because the corruptness of our current system.

She got millions more votes than Bernie, who had no appeal to any non white voters during the primaries. It's not as if Bernie got more votes and the DNC still nominated her.

Republicans play team ball. Trump got 1 million fewer vote than McCain did in 2008 when the world was on the verge of ruin with a Republican president. But she got 5-6 million fewer votes than Obama in 2012 and she still will win the popular vote.

Last time a candidate won the presidency without winning the popular vote, it was obvious he wasn't as smart or knowledgeable as his opponent. The end result was the Iraq war and the Great Recession.

Hope it turns out better this time but the Supreme Court will be **** for anyone who's not white Christian.

[jason bourne]

People said Bernie Sanders could have won vs Trump after he won. That is an interesting scenario. I think he could have, but he didn't have enough money. That is a problem. Sanders should not have to be a multi-millionaire to have a chance to win. I'm for election reform in that the government should put up the money for the final nominees, so one side doesn't have hundreds of millions of dollars to spend versus a candidate who is a multi-millionaire being a lifetime politician or someone who has made his millions or billions already in business. Of course, the candidate has to have the charisma to raise the millions needed to get the nom.

What's weird is when I looked at Trump, he seemed to be saying the same things that Sanders was saying. Albeit, disregard the racist, sexist, etc. part.

I think Trump will try to do what he promised to his voters. One thing I hope he does is improve the economy so we have better jobs. Too many people have part-time jobs and they can't get better jobs. People like Michael Moore do nothing for me. He just wants his sh*t about climate change and all the sh*t the progressives are complaining and demonstrating about. What a bunch of whiners and pussy people. You ignore a big part of people in your party and treat them like DINOs. When Trump started winning, I started to root for him just because I can't stand the Michael Moore snobbery. Clinton is still more like Obama. She would've just been the same-o, same-o. In the end, I'm glad Trump won ha ha. I hate Obama, Clinton and Michael Moore now.