So how about Joel Embiid

SouthJersey · Post #901 » by **SouthJersey** » Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:32 pm

76ciology wrote:
SouthJersey wrote:Obviously very happy the Sixers took him and were patient. Is anyone even going to come close to him in the Rookie of the Year campaign?

Jake Layman (AKA Jokic 2.0) and his 10BPM

Now you're just being difficult

SkyHookFTW · Post #902 » by **SkyHookFTW** » Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:36 pm

Embiid so far has a PER of 23.7 but a BPM of -0.1. Just looking at these two stats, one would get the impression that he is an impactful player on a lousy team. I can't imagine his numbers if he had actual NBA-starter caliber guards. That backcourt is wretched at times and below average at best. They don't have a guard who can play one bit of defense.

Baseline Runner · Post #903 » by **Baseline Runner** » Sat Nov 12, 2016 2:22 pm

Shaq had a huge turnover problem early in his career and he fared okay.

HotelVitale · Post #904 » by **HotelVitale** » Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:06 pm

Baseline Runner wrote:Shaq had a huge turnover problem early in his career and he fared okay.

I'm hopeful about that since a lot of Embiid's TOs--maybe most of them--come from really stupid and easily correctable things. He gets called for moving screens every game, and for travels when he's not even making moves. Very basic rookie mistakes that he's doing because he's overexcited and doesn't get what the refs will and won't call yet.

I think he'd still be a high TO player without them (still loses the ball on spin moves and makes dumb passes when he thinks he's catching the defense sleeping), but he should cut that number in half with just a little more seasoning.

Baseline Runner · Post #905 » by **Baseline Runner** » Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:23 pm

HotelVitale wrote:
Baseline Runner wrote:Shaq had a huge turnover problem early in his career and he fared okay.

I'm hopeful about that since a lot of Embiid's TOs--maybe most of them--come from really stupid and easily correctable things. He gets called for moving screens every game, and for travels when he's not even making moves. Very basic rookie mistakes that he's doing because he's overexcited and doesn't get what the refs will and won't call yet.

I think he'd still be a high TO player without them (still loses the ball on spin moves and makes dumb passes when he thinks he's catching the defense sleeping), but he should cut that number in half with just a little more seasoning.

Embiid is a physical beast who is also a gym rat. So he has a great combination of size and skills but he hasn't had a lot of game experience due to all of his injuries. He's only played a half of season of college, that is it. In 3 years he will be a completely different player (in a good way).

Eyeamok · Post #906 » by **Eyeamok** » Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:25 pm

Less than 10 games into his first season after missing 2 years due to injury being on a minute restriction. I think its quite possible Embiid will improve in the areas of turnovers and silly fouls. We just have to have some patience with him. He is a work in progress.

Post #907 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:32 pm

Eyeamok wrote:He is a work in process.

Fixed.

cksdayoff · Post #908 » by **cksdayoff** » Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:46 pm

SkyHookFTW wrote:Embiid so far has a PER of 23.7 but a BPM of -0.1. Just looking at these two stats, one would get the impression that he is an impactful player on a lousy team. I can't imagine his numbers if he had actual NBA-starter caliber guards. That backcourt is wretched at times and below average at best. They don't have a guard who can play one bit of defense.

They dont have a guard that can give him any easy looks at the basket.

When Simmons comes back Embiid will get 6-8 gimme points a game.

lorak · Post #909 » by **lorak** » Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:51 pm

Watch on YouTube

Post #910 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:59 pm

cksdayoff wrote:
SkyHookFTW wrote:Embiid so far has a PER of 23.7 but a BPM of -0.1. Just looking at these two stats, one would get the impression that he is an impactful player on a lousy team. I can't imagine his numbers if he had actual NBA-starter caliber guards. That backcourt is wretched at times and below average at best. They don't have a guard who can play one bit of defense.

They dont have a guard that can give him any easy looks at the basket.

When Simmons comes back Embiid will get 6-8 gimme points a game.

I think it will be worse at first, as Simmons adjusts and they figure out spacing.

TheNewEra · Post #911 » by **TheNewEra** » Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:03 pm

Any guards 76ers can target? Getting shooting duo at PG and SG with experience to maintain composure late in games would be deadly.

BoomBap · Post #912 » by **BoomBap** » Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:09 pm

SouthJersey wrote:Obviously very happy the Sixers took him and were patient. Is anyone even going to come close to him in the Rookie of the Year campaign?

maybe the dude we picked this year.

Post #913 » by **og15** » Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:33 pm

Baseline Runner wrote:Shaq had a huge turnover problem early in his career and he fared okay.

A lot of young big men, especially ones who have a lot of skills like these guys do, so it's obviously something that should get better. Right now he's at 4.5 tpg in 22.2 mins which is 7.3 tov/36 and a 21.8% TOV, it's a lot, but it's a small sample size. Rookie Shaq did 3.8 tpg in 37.6 mpg, 15.9% TOV, not too bad, then his next season he was down to 2.7 tpg in 39.8 mpg, 10.2% TOV.

Embiid is just 6 games in, I can't imagine he maintains this turnover rate all season, so even if it is high, as long as it is reasonable, it is fine, and it is something that in general should continue to improve.

laika · Post #914 » by **laika** » Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:30 pm

TheNewEra wrote:Any guards 76ers can target? Getting shooting duo at PG and SG with experience to maintain composure late in games would be deadly.

Rodriguez has actually been great with Embiid. However if you want a better PG than Rodriguez then you will need to trade away Noel or Okafor. You really should do that soon though since they are probably both going to continue to lose value.

theGreatRC · Post #915 » by **theGreatRC** » Sat Nov 12, 2016 6:26 pm

If it wasn't for Embiid, this rookie class would look so weak and he isn't even from this draft

Tanks1 · Post #916 » by **Tanks1** » Sat Nov 12, 2016 6:45 pm

TheNewEra wrote:Any guards 76ers can target? Getting shooting duo at PG and SG with experience to maintain composure late in games would be deadly.

Yes, we will get one, possibly 2 in the 2017 draft.....and can go after Lowry .....

Tanks1 · Post #917 » by **Tanks1** » Sat Nov 12, 2016 6:46 pm

laika wrote:
TheNewEra wrote:Any guards 76ers can target? Getting shooting duo at PG and SG with experience to maintain composure late in games would be deadly.

Rodriguez has actually been great with Embiid. However if you want a better PG than Rodriguez then you will need to trade away Noel or Okafor. You really should do that soon though since they are probably both going to continue to lose value.

No, there is no rush in making deals.....

alebaba · Post #918 » by **alebaba** » Sat Nov 12, 2016 7:15 pm

Joel Embiid is a straight up prodigy, his post up game is so far advance for his age, its crazy. He will be the best player in the nba in 3 years, imo, if he can stay healthy.

naabzor · Post #919 » by **naabzor** » Sat Nov 12, 2016 8:28 pm

On the other hand that Okafor guy is looking like a bust these days.

Post #920 » by **CoreyGallagher** » Sat Nov 12, 2016 8:36 pm

naabzor wrote:On the other hand that Okafor guy is looking like a bust these days.

Why bring that up in this thread? I was going to reply, but instead here's a Jahlil Okafor thread that was created a week and a half ago.