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Re: The (Where Ainges Fear to) Trade Thread, 2016-17 (1.0) 

Post#1461 » by Andrew McCeltic » Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:10 am

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Curmudgeon wrote:Tyson Chandler for Zeller and a first round pick. Defense, defense defense.

Terrible defenders like Okafor, Kanter and Monroe make absolutely no sense.


Trading a 1st round pick and losing max cap space for an in decline 34 year old Chandler with 3 years left on his deal doesn't either.

If they make a move the most logical one if Bogut or Noel.


Monroe is a mediocre defender. Okafor and Kanter are bad defenders, but young. They'd be long-term investments, with a bet on their ability to improve. I think Okafor has enough talent that he can, unless being benched in Philly crushes his confidence and work ethic.

We're not getting Bogut, and I think Barnes is showing signs he can live up to some of his hype in Dallas. Plus, we'd have to give up a 1st, or more, and it's not worth it just to get a marginal upgrade who won't make us a contender.

Noel, sure. I'm all in on Nerlens. But he's been injury prone, he has maturity issues, he's a solid but not great rebounder, and his defensive impact is potentially elite, but not consistent. Can't shoot, can't score, can't pass or catch the ball, can roll a little.

I think we could game around Monroe's bad pick and roll defense with him in the middle, and his rebounding and offensive skill would be a boost. He's basically a better boarding, better scoring, less defensively reliable Amir Johnson.

Kanter has major flaws- defensive awareness and mobility, passing- but he's a beast in the paint.

We're looking pretty much entirely at flawed solutions, the question is which flaws we want to take on, and what we have to give up.
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Re: The (Where Ainges Fear to) Trade Thread, 2016-17 (1.0) 

Post#1462 » by youngthegiant » Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:21 am

Trying to work on a 3 team deal for the trade board. How do you guys feel about a Nurkic/Smart swap?
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Post#1463 » by cellar-door » Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:22 am

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Curmudgeon wrote:Tyson Chandler for Zeller and a first round pick. Defense, defense defense.

Terrible defenders like Okafor, Kanter and Monroe make absolutely no sense.


Trading a 1st round pick and losing max cap space for an in decline 34 year old Chandler with 3 years left on his deal doesn't either.

If they make a move the most logical one if Bogut or Noel.


Monroe is a mediocre defender. Okafor and Kanter are bad defenders, but young. They'd be long-term investments, with a bet on their ability to improve. I think Okafor has enough talent that he can, unless being benched in Philly crushes his confidence and work ethic.

We're not getting Bogut, and I think Barnes is showing signs he can live up to some of his hype in Dallas. Plus, we'd have to give up a 1st, or more, and it's not worth it just to get a marginal upgrade who won't make us a contender.

Noel, sure. I'm all in on Nerlens. But he's been injury prone, he has maturity issues, he's a solid but not great rebounder, and his defensive impact is potentially elite, but not consistent. Can't shoot, can't score, can't pass or catch the ball, can roll a little.

I think we could game around Monroe's bad pick and roll defense with him in the middle, and his rebounding and offensive skill would be a boost. He's basically a better boarding, better scoring, less defensively reliable Amir Johnson.

Kanter has major flaws- defensive awareness and mobility, passing- but he's a beast in the paint.

We're looking pretty much entirely at flawed solutions, the question is which flaws we want to take on, and what we have to give up.


I can't imagine that by January, when we can trade Zeller, Bogut won't be available for very little. He's expiring and the Mavs are bad. He's not the kind of guy where you need his Bird rights to outbid teams, so even if DAL wants to bring him back (and he wants to go back) they have loads of cap room to do it and bird rights don't really matter. He's basically tailor made for a fairly cheap rental. Expiring vet on a bad team. I mean, DAL got paid a 2nd to take him this year, once they're well back of the playoff chase can't imagine they wouldn't move him for a couple more 2nds and saving some cash.
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Post#1464 » by Andrew McCeltic » Sat Nov 12, 2016 6:00 am

Maybe. If the cost is 2 second-rounders, sure, great trade. I could see other teams having interest.
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Post#1465 » by reload141 » Sat Nov 12, 2016 7:01 am

youngthegiant wrote:Trying to work on a 3 team deal for the trade board. How do you guys feel about a Nurkic/Smart swap?


Yep where do I sign up?
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Post#1466 » by Andrew McCeltic » Sat Nov 12, 2016 7:15 am

reload141 wrote:
youngthegiant wrote:Trying to work on a 3 team deal for the trade board. How do you guys feel about a Nurkic/Smart swap?


Yep where do I sign up?


Jesus, no. Undervaluing Smart, and overvaluing Nurkic based on our need for a big.

What's the deal?
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Post#1467 » by SuperApexMan » Sat Nov 12, 2016 9:06 am

Wcs for young and some picks. This guy is something we could use and kings lack wing players.

EDIT: Lol, didn't see guys already mentioned him. He is decent talent, and def. a guy that can do a lot better with a better system and coach. Just look at turner case. As someone already said, at least he's got a good size and standing reach.
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Post#1468 » by gocelts » Sat Nov 12, 2016 12:10 pm

I don't think Dallas will trade with us ever again...
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Post#1469 » by Green89 » Sat Nov 12, 2016 12:49 pm

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Post#1470 » by winsomme2 » Sat Nov 12, 2016 2:40 pm

How about Paul Pierce for Gerald Green?

We need leadership on our second unit and Doc is not using Paul in LA.
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Post#1471 » by CeltsfanSinceBirth » Sat Nov 12, 2016 7:25 pm

youngthegiant wrote:Trying to work on a 3 team deal for the trade board. How do you guys feel about a Nurkic/Smart swap?


We would probably need to add both Nets picks and one of Danny Ainge's children based on the HOF career that Nurkic is supposed to have, according to the Nuggets posters who frequent this board.
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Post#1472 » by Parejo10 » Sat Nov 12, 2016 7:34 pm

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http://www.espn.com/blog/nba/rumors/post/_/id/40105/nba-rumor-central-kings-open-to-dealing-willie-cauley-stein

If they are really open to dealing Cauley-Stein, it can be amazing to see him here in TD Garden. Very good defender. He's what we're missing. However we will need to give up on something more important than Zeller if we want them to give up on Cauley-Stein.
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Post#1473 » by klemen4 » Sat Nov 12, 2016 7:59 pm

Sacramento is not getting any better...February trade deadline is the moment for Cousins trade...now what to give will be a hard choice...brk 17 and 18 yes...but what to do when they will also want smart or/and brown?
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Post#1474 » by ConstableGeneva » Sat Nov 12, 2016 8:33 pm

Another Kings player Omri Casspi rumored to wanting out of SacTown. Boston among teams that apparently have expressed interest in him. Love the shooting, the non-existent D, not-so-much. There's probably a reason why these guys aren't getting much run under Joerger.
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Post#1475 » by Disinformation » Sat Nov 12, 2016 9:16 pm

CrowderKeg wrote:Another Kings player Omri Casspi rumored to wanting out of SacTown. Boston among teams that apparently have expressed interest in him. Love the shooting, the non-existent D, not-so-much. There's probably a reason why these guys aren't getting much run under Joerger.

On a side note, Casspi is Cousin's best friend on the team.
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Post#1476 » by Parejo10 » Sat Nov 12, 2016 9:25 pm

CrowderKeg wrote:Another Kings player Omri Casspi rumored to wanting out of SacTown. Boston among teams that apparently have expressed interest in him. Love the shooting, the non-existent D, not-so-much. There's probably a reason why these guys aren't getting much run under Joerger.

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Post#1477 » by LarryBirdsFingr » Sat Nov 12, 2016 9:39 pm

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Re: The (Where Ainges Fear to) Trade Thread, 2016-17 (1.0) 

Post#1478 » by BRUNiNHO91 » Sat Nov 12, 2016 10:00 pm

cellar-door wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:Tyson Chandler for Zeller and a first round pick. Defense, defense defense.

Terrible defenders like Okafor, Kanter and Monroe make absolutely no sense.


Trading a 1st round pick and losing max cap space for an in decline 34 year old Chandler with 3 years left on his deal doesn't either.

If they make a move the most logical one if Bogut or Noel.


12 million is chump change in the new NBA and we need to trade some of these picks anyways. Dude would let us slide Horford to PF and would gobble 14rpg. Not to mention the defensive anchor that we need so much. He's still producing and anybody producing anywhere near what he is will want a big time max contract. He's actually a bargain if I ever saw one. Unless we think Blake Griffin has a real shot of coming here I see no reason to worry about cap space.

Boston 1st, Zeller and Young for Chandler. No **** brainer imo.
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Post#1479 » by Fencer reregistered » Sat Nov 12, 2016 10:50 pm

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CrowderKeg wrote:Another Kings player Omri Casspi rumored to wanting out of SacTown. Boston among teams that apparently have expressed interest in him. Love the shooting, the non-existent D, not-so-much. There's probably a reason why these guys aren't getting much run under Joerger.

On a side note, Casspi is Cousin's best friend on the team.


And that's one of the things I love about the NBA. A perennially angry black guy's best bud is an Israeli Jew. Stories like that go all the way back to Russell/Cousy.
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Post#1480 » by Fencer reregistered » Sat Nov 12, 2016 10:51 pm

CrowderKeg wrote:Another Kings player Omri Casspi rumored to wanting out of SacTown. Boston among teams that apparently have expressed interest in him. Love the shooting, the non-existent D, not-so-much. There's probably a reason why these guys aren't getting much run under Joerger.


Anyhow, if he were to be part of a trade for one of the Kings' centers -- why not? But if it's just trading for him alone -- why?
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