Political Roundtable Part XI

[dckingsfan]

I really thought that Trump would be the beginning of the end of the Rs. Now thinking it is closer to the truth that it is the Ds.

[AFM]

Trump Boy R D

[Induveca]

Oh, this is so very tiresome, dude. You should have been around in the early '60s when every protest in the South was a matter of "Negroes" being stirred to protest by "professional, paid agitators" from the North. I mean... why ever would they protest otherwise?

Or maybe you'd like a couple of dozen other examples of this kind of BS?

Did you even watch the video? I didn't say real protestors weren't there with real grievances I just stated hundreds are paid for and they're puppeteered.

If the Veritas videos weren't legit, Bob Creamer and Scott Foval (and another lady forgot her name) wouldn't have been fired within a few days by the DNC. These videos had a major impact on the campaign, tens of millions of views. Almost completely ignored by the mainstream media.

Here's the undercover video covering how they plan these things (Chicago, Arizona etc), how they pay people etc. Most relevant portion starts around 10 minute mark, prior is how these types of organizations get paid by DNC.

Watch on YouTube

Lastly a Wikileaks from the DNC coming up with the "Love Trumps Hate" line for a planned demonstration which proved to be quite hectic.

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/3934

[verbal8]

The two biggest losers tonight (outside of the Clintons) -- one from each side:

Dem: Bernie Sanders. He's thinking WTF, I really *do* hate that Debbie Wasserman Schultz now.

I think Bernie would have kept a campaign more about about issues which is where Trump is at his weakest. Swing state voters may not agree with the details of his plans, but they would have listened vs. Clintons' attempts that seem to have been tuned out.

Repub: Ohio Governor John Kasich, who refused to endorse Trump. Dude, even Ted Cruz ended up endorsing him. Now you're gonna get frozen out by the base.

Kasich may have set himself up to be a primary challenger if a Trump presidency is a disaster(or not Republican enough).

[verbal8]

And it turns out that the Obamas telling people to vote for Hillary isn't quite as motivating in terms of getting people out to vote as the Obamas telling people to vote for Obama himself. Go figure? I mean, if the Obamas told everyone to go out and eat black liquorice for a day, nobody would do it except for maybe a few scattered freaks and weirdos likely on various government registries. There is a distinct difference in terms of just how motivated people are to take guidance based on how appealing they actually find that guidance. And as an aside, I still think there will never be true equality until black liquorice tastes like anything besides sugar and hate.

I think Trump's success has shown that endorsements aren't terribly effective way of increasing support. Looking at Clinton's numbers with Republicans it doesn't look like endorsements of a number of Republicans helped her much.

[montestewart]

And it turns out that the Obamas telling people to vote for Hillary isn't quite as motivating in terms of getting people out to vote as the Obamas telling people to vote for Obama himself. Go figure? I mean, if the Obamas told everyone to go out and eat black liquorice for a day, nobody would do it except for maybe a few scattered freaks and weirdos likely on various government registries. There is a distinct difference in terms of just how motivated people are to take guidance based on how appealing they actually find that guidance. And as an aside, I still think there will never be true equality until black liquorice tastes like anything besides sugar and hate.

I think Trump's success has shown that endorsements aren't terribly effective way of increasing support. Looking at Clinton's numbers with Republicans it doesn't look like endorsements of a number of Republicans helped her much.

Each endorsement, whether from a Republican or a Democrat (or a Hollywood celebrity, or whatever) just seemed to cement her status as an elite insider. To some voters, the rejection of Trump by establishment figures of all stripes reinforced his image as an outsider. Maybe the psycho tweeting and such actually helped him by driving establishment Republicans away.

[montestewart]

Don't really have an opinion about this demonstration, but at least it appears to be non-violent. Maybe some yoga workshops would be good.

No, you cannot have a giant bonfire on the Mall to mourn Trump’s victory

[verbal8]

Not all Trump voters are racist. But racists are using Trump as a platform. My wife is Hispanic, college educated and we live in rural, all-white North Carolina. I legitimately fear for her when she goes to the store or goes to get gas. I don't need her to break down when people say "move back to Mexico" or "you're gonna be deported!". Believe it or not, that is the sentiment some rural white people have. Trump put so much fear mongering and "Mexicans and Muslims are bad" into people's brains. I will support Trump but he has to fix this issue.

There is respect that comes with the office, but for me it is conditional on him(and his non-racists/sexist supporters) make attempts to confront those who feel entitled to spout off this ignorance.

[verbal8]

Mistake 1 by the Democrats was treating the primaries as a coronation for the candidate they already picked. Despite that candidate already losing in 2008 when she was supposed to win and having a long history of being disliked. The only person to run against her was a 75 year old socialist. Where was Biden and Warren? It's hard to know. Did they genuinely not want to run? Or did the Democratic party put their hand on their shoulder and say no.

Mistake 2 was the Tim Kaine pick. Kaine was Hillary thinking all she had to do was ride out the string and she'd win easily. Cause Trump is a joke. He has a ceiling. Bernie Sanders as her vice cures a lot of ills in terms of youth turnout. Cory Booker adds some excitement. Milquetoast white guy was not the answer.

I think Kaine initially had a positive effect, he drew a strong parallel with Trump in terms of experience, p.ositivity and more. I think it was a bit of a "prevent defense move" by Clinton - figuring that a boost in VA might have been important if the race was close. I think Bernie as VP would have had a lot of the positives of Bernie the candidate. Even if he wasn't interested, I think offering it would have brought the Bernie supporters into the Clinton camp more quickly and possibly more enthuastically. It also would have offered a contrast with the mess among the Republicans at that time.

[Induveca]

Ugh.

[DCZards]

Ugh.

Indu, that's a very disturbing--indeed disgusting--sign in that photo. But I hope we all can agree that incidents like the one described by the husband of a Mexican woman (below) may be even more disturbing given that these words and threats are being made directly to an individual who happens to be Hispanic.

Sadly, since the election of Trump there have been numerous reports of this kind of racism in towns and cities across the country...even in some schools where Hispanic kids are being taunted with chants of "Build the Wall!" We can do better.

Not all Trump voters are racist. But racists are using Trump as a platform. My wife is Hispanic, college educated and we live in rural, all-white North Carolina. I legitimately fear for her when she goes to the store or goes to get gas. I don't need her to break down when people say "move back to Mexico" or "you're gonna be deported!". Believe it or not, that is the sentiment some rural white people have. Trump put so much fear mongering and "Mexicans and Muslims are bad" into people's brains. I will support Trump but he has to fix this issue.

[Upper Decker]

The hate and intolerance shown by the U.S. during and after the election (by both sides) scares me for the future of America. Maybe it's extremely isolated and the media forces these small gatherings down our throat because for some reason hate sells more than love. Not sure, but at this rate it won't be long before we drop the U from U.S.A.

[tontoz]

The racists might be more active for awhile but they still have to go back to their pathetic day to day lives. Eventually they will realize that Trump is not interested in them. He just exploited them to help him get elected.

[Wizardspride]

Love how CNN/MSM was 99% wrong on nearly *everything*, yet Clinton supporters are quoting their BS here as if it was gospel.

Gee Induveca, overstate your case much?

Actually no. I'm a 3rd world product and what I walked by on 5th Ave today from an appointment reeked of uneducated/paid protests by a political party recruiting poor people/college kids.

Complete hypocrites. Democrats/MSM demand Trump accept the election results, then you do a 180 when he wins. It's beyond ridiculous.

Assuming this is accurate, would you consider this hypocritical as well?

Just curious



https://www.facebook.com/TheOther98/photos/a.115969958413991.17486.114517875225866/1531007190243587/?type=3&theater

[popper]

Not all Trump voters are racist. But racists are using Trump as a platform. My wife is Hispanic, college educated and we live in rural, all-white North Carolina. I legitimately fear for her when she goes to the store or goes to get gas. I don't need her to break down when people say "move back to Mexico" or "you're gonna be deported!". Believe it or not, that is the sentiment some rural white people have. Trump put so much fear mongering and "Mexicans and Muslims are bad" into people's brains. I will support Trump but he has to fix this issue.

There is respect that comes with the office, but for me it is conditional on him(and his non-racists/sexist supporters) make attempts to confront those who feel entitled to spout off this ignorance.

This is very good advice. Trump should hold a press conference ASAP to reassure minorities and condemn anyone who mistreats fellow Americans based on ethnicity, religious affiliation or skin color, etc. He could also appeal specifically to his supporters to rise above any prejudice they might harbor toward minorities and highlight the significant contributions they have made in making the country the last great hope for mankind.

[badinage]

Not all Trump voters are racist. But racists are using Trump as a platform. My wife is Hispanic, college educated and we live in rural, all-white North Carolina. I legitimately fear for her when she goes to the store or goes to get gas. I don't need her to break down when people say "move back to Mexico" or "you're gonna be deported!". Believe it or not, that is the sentiment some rural white people have. Trump put so much fear mongering and "Mexicans and Muslims are bad" into people's brains. I will support Trump but he has to fix this issue.

There is respect that comes with the office, but for me it is conditional on him(and his non-racists/sexist supporters) make attempts to confront those who feel entitled to spout off this ignorance.

This is very good advice. Trump should hold a press conference ASAP to reassure minorities and condemn anyone who mistreats fellow Americans based on ethnicity, religious affiliation or skin color, etc. He could also appeal specifically to his supporters to rise above any prejudice they might harbor toward minorities and highlight the significant contributions they have made in making the country the last great hope for mankind.

**** that. Denigrate people, scare the **** out of them, demean them and abuse them, unleash the hounds in the culture, allow the scum to rise to the top -- and then say: we're all in this together, we need to unite. As I said: **** that. He should be -- he will be -- who he is. And we the people who have been made to fear -- who have been put on notice -- who have been told in no uncertain terms what the new pecking order in the culture is -- we are going to meet fear with fear. It won't be what the right has been gnashing its teeth over for eight years. What you saw was not socialism. And the changes were largely symbolic. This is going to be different. We are going to make them fear in the same way they have made us fear. We are going to tell them -- what you have done, will not stand.

[Induveca]

Badinage, I applaud your use of double hyphens in lieu of the standard carriage return.--Brilliant!

[montestewart]

Badinage, I applaud your use of double hyphens in lieu of the standard carriage return.--Brilliant!

Please confine such comments to the Potential Wizards Board Enhancements thread. Thank you.

[Induveca]

Badinage, I applaud your use of double hyphens in lieu of the standard carriage return.--Brilliant!

Please confine such comments to the Potential Wizards Board Enhancements thread. Thank you.

Bravo sir!

[AFM]

Love to see these idiots tweeting about REVOLUTION!!!! There's a clip of a woman at a Trump protest telling a CNN reporter "people must die on both sides, and we're ready!!"

Unfortunately, these millennial liberals are the least intimidating people on planet earth--are they going to hit me with a water grenade? Or maybe a SNES Duck Hunt gun?