Brooklyn Nets 2016-17 season Pick Watch Thread

[jbeachboy]

Nets fans posting here after every win is like Celtics fans posting on Nets board after every loss. It shows a lack of class. Even though most of these posts are fine, there's no point of them being here.

There's an obvious conflict of interest here, and timing of these posts reveals the intent behind them. To troll the fanbase.

If you're a Nets fan, be happy that King era is over, enjoy your team but celebrating the fact that you might send 8th instead of 3rd pick is childish. Understandable, but childish.

that would be a big victory though for nets fans though. sending over a josh jackson or harry giles in division compared to an unknown prospect for years to come.

[Gurton Buster]

Nets fans posting here after every win is like Celtics fans posting on Nets board after every loss. It shows a lack of class. Even though most of these posts are fine, there's no point of them being here.

There's an obvious conflict of interest here, and timing of these posts reveals the intent behind them. To troll the fanbase.

If you're a Nets fan, be happy that King era is over, enjoy your team but celebrating the fact that you might send 8th instead of 3rd pick is childish. Understandable, but childish.

You have to look at it from our perspective. You guys have a thread, and have had a thread for 3 years now to enjoy watching us fail. Especially when the title of the thread is a direct jab at us, of course we are going to feel insulted. Of course we are poking fun at the fact that you guys want to see us lose every game, which is something we aren't doing.

Our teams basketball reference page is literally sponsored by one of the members of your forum just to make fun of us. The Celtics board has literally gone out of their way to make fun of the nets. And you have to understand that net fans are going to jump at the chance to fire back.

What you might not know is that even though a few net fans have been coming over here to stir the pot, every time this thread gets brought up on the Nets forum, it gets met with a bunch of replies from long time nets posters to not troll the thread.

My suggestion: change the name of the thread, or delete it completely. All you need is a "2017 Draft thread" where you can discuss prospects you would like to consider. Once you make the thread more about enjoying the Nets failure instead of the actual purpose the thread should be serving, you're intentionally trying troll the net fans.

I think nets fans have to do a better job of understanding why you guys would be so fascinated with our Pick, and why you would like to see us fail. But at the same time, some Celtic fans don't have to be such dicks about it. I'm not trying to troll, I'm just trying to be blunt with you. This is why net fans and Celtic fans can't get along. And net fans are just going to keep reacting the way they are until something is done about it.

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[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Nets fans - this year's pick could end up being 10th, and next year's pick could end up being 15th.....and if you want to celebrate that as a victory, feel free to do so. It's like entering the 4th quarter down by 35 points, and then making a rally at the end and losing the game by 15 points.

Bottom line: you guys still lost this trade.

Id still make the trade again. I know that seems crazy, but you have to take the context and specifics from our view into account. We just moved to brooklyn the prior year. the early years were very important.

-we were locked in longterm to vets. we were over the cap/tax gauranteed for the next 2-3 years without young talent.

-we just won 49 games with 2 enormous holes at SF/PF with wallace/evans and had no shooting or interior defense.

-Pierce/garnett/Terry on paper were ELITE fits for our situation. we needed scoring/shooting at SF. pierce had that. we needed D, some offense and leadership at PF. KG good fit. needed more shooters overall. inc omes terry.

-the east was trash outside the heat. it wasnt crazy to think adding those guys to a 50 win team could get us to the ECF.

The risk was there pick wise.... but lets not pretend like this result was probable... it took one of the most insane falls from grace for a player in his prime to get where we are now. Deron went from breaking nets scoring records, making the all-star team, and dropping 20/8 to lead us to the playoffs to a guy who coudlnt beat out jarret jack, overnight, while in still in his prime.

i think if deron decline and doesnt fall off a map its a safe assumption the nets chug away at 38-40 wins a year like the most recent playoff run and the over pay of picks is non lotto and doesnt look nearly as bad with more youngs and roziers and less jaylen browns.

With Hindsight... yeah the deal is bad. and the celtics made out like bandits.... but Pierce/KG also lead to the deepest run in brooklyns short history and a playoff win. fans value that differently but watching this team 30 years i value playoff seasons alot. we dont see them as much in NJ as you guys have in boston, obviously.

would i trade jalen brown for the playoff year with a game 7 win over the raptros? its closer for me as a fan then you might imagine. that win over the raps was WAY up there.

i still put the pick we traded for gerlad wallace with portland as a MUCH worse trade then the boston deal.

That's the thing - Dame just won rookie of the year with your pick, and King still went out and made that trade. Even if you guys had slapped a top 3 or top 5 protection, Ainge still does that deal. No one was trying to acquire Pierce and KG, and King was bidding against himself. We tried to trade KG to the Clips but Stern killed that deal. The only other offer for Pierce was Cleveland offering 2 2nd rounders for him. If that fell through, Ainge was going to waive him and let Paul join Doc in LA. King didn't need to give up that haul. All he had to do was say "That's too much Danny", hang up the phone, and wait a day or 2 for Ainge to call back.

[Prokorov]

That's the thing - Dame just won rookie of the year with your pick, and King still went out and made that trade. Even if you guys had slapped a top 3 or top 5 protection, Ainge still does that deal. No one was trying to acquire Pierce and KG, and King was bidding against himself. We tried to trade KG to the Clips but Stern killed that deal. The only other offer for Pierce was Cleveland offering 2 2nd rounders for him. If that fell through, Ainge was going to waive him and let Paul join Doc in LA. King didn't need to give up that haul. All he had to do was say "That's too much Danny", hang up the phone, and wait a day or 2 for Ainge to call back.

yes, of course it was an overpay by king.... but i can only go by the deal that happened and cant speculate what the nets could have done if king squeezed danny more.

As is, i still make that deal... the downfall of that trade had less to do Pierce/KG and more to do with Deron Williams dropping off the face of the earth. I'm sure im missing an example or two but i cant think of an established player falling from grace so far and so fast without a major injury coming into play then deron williams. He went from 21/9 to backing up jarrent jack in like 2 or 3 years before the age of 30.

I think reasonably, the "worst case" looked something like lopez struggles with health and deron/joe/pierce/Kg keep you winning 35+ games for 2-3 years hand over the celtics some picks in the teens or late lotto, and mvoe on. Pierce was good enough in washington to reasonable think he could have helped another year or so. and a healthy Deron + Brook has always been good for 35 wins. even in the early decline of dwill

Instead deron fell off a cliff and and that went down the drain. and I dont think that is really reasonable to say anyone would have forseen anything like that.

[celtxman]

nets win again behind good coaching, pace, threes, and effort. thats going to be the recipe all year... will it be 22-24 wins or 28-30 wins? hard to say with so much basketball to play. 4-5 could be 4-8 or 5-10 after the nets home game vs you guys. but even at 5-10 thats still a 27 win pace and with a team that plays hard and is well coached who could steal some late wins when tank commanders kick it into gear...

I dont think its out of the realm of possibility the nets close in on 30 wins, i dont think they are a lock bottom 3 team. id agree, talent wise probably worse or bottom 2. but coaching and effort go along way when you compare to the other bottom dwellers.

should be interesting. i rpedicted 24 wins but 29+ wouldnt be a huge surprise

If you looked back at my posts, I've never subscribed to the idea that the Nets could do absolutely nothing to improve their fate. As a result, many of the same Celtics fans who praise the organization for Brad Stevens, never consider that anyone else can do the same. While it is early, I would think that Net fans have to be delighted with Kenny Atkinson, and the franchise is likely in good hands between him and Marks.
I previously said the Nets would be over the Vegas odds and win as many as 32 games, but I also said at the end of the day I thought they would have the 2nd worst record. I think everything is still in play, but it is hard for me to think they will be in the bottom 3.
There will be ebb and flow to this thread. I see a couple of Nets posters (yourself excluded) and now a Lakers poster feeling their oats for now. That might be replaced with the Celtics "20 win" posters who are currently Missing in Action, waiting for a Net losing streak, and then the Nets/Lakers frontrunner posters will vanish. Either way though, it's hard to not be encouraged as a Nets fan.

We'll see, we got off to a nice start in 2014 before that team crashed and ended up with the fourth worst record. Hopefully the Nets reward their die hards with a halfway decent team after they give us the rest of their picks.

Yes - of course it is wait and see. I wouldn't concede anything after a nice start to a favorable Nets schedule. But I think there is more to the Nets than just an easy opening schedule. They play hard, they are finally settled after enormous changes during the season last year, they have a better coach, and the early winning can bring confidence.
So it wouldn't necessarily surprise me that they end up being a bottom three team, but I also think they can beat out 5-6 teams. The biggest threat will be when tanking teams really look to lose.

[Ror1997]

Nets fans posting here after every win is like Celtics fans posting on Nets board after every loss. It shows a lack of class. Even though most of these posts are fine, there's no point of them being here.

There's an obvious conflict of interest here, and timing of these posts reveals the intent behind them. To troll the fanbase.

If you're a Nets fan, be happy that King era is over, enjoy your team but celebrating the fact that you might send 8th instead of 3rd pick is childish. Understandable, but childish.

You have to look at it from our perspective. You guys have a thread, and have had a thread for 3 years now to enjoy watching us fail. Especially when the title of the thread is a direct jab at us, of course we are going to feel insulted. Of course we are poking fun at the fact that you guys want to see us lose every game, which is something we aren't doing.

Our teams basketball reference page is literally sponsored by one of the members of your forum just to make fun of us. The Celtics board has literally gone out of their way to make fun of the nets. And you have to understand that net fans are going to jump at the chance to fire back.

What you might not know is that even though a few net fans have been coming over here to stir the pot, every time this thread gets brought up on the Nets forum, it gets met with a bunch of replies from long time nets posters to not troll the thread.

My suggestion: change the name of the thread, or delete it completely. All you need is a "2017 Draft thread" where you can discuss prospects you would like to consider. Once you make the thread more about enjoying the Nets failure instead of the actual purpose the thread should be serving, you're intentionally trying troll the net fans.

I think nets fans have to do a better job of understanding why you guys would be so fascinated with our Pick, and why you would like to see us fail. But at the same time, some Celtic fans don't have to be such dicks about it. I'm not trying to troll, I'm just trying to be blunt with you. This is why net fans and Celtic fans can't get along. And net fans are just going to keep reacting the way they are until something is done about it.

nahh we're good


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And that's cool. Just don't bitch and moan when net fans want to fire back at you guys. Its your own fault you guys get trolled.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

I'm pretty sure danny and many others had the foresight to think the nets team could easily be bottom 5 right when this deal was made, so its not crazy to think our front office had a reasonable expectation that those picks were going to be decent. the writing was already on the wall with DWill in my opinion, lets be real here.

[Froob]

You have to look at it from our perspective. You guys have a thread, and have had a thread for 3 years now to enjoy watching us fail. Especially when the title of the thread is a direct jab at us, of course we are going to feel insulted. Of course we are poking fun at the fact that you guys want to see us lose every game, which is something we aren't doing.

Our teams basketball reference page is literally sponsored by one of the members of your forum just to make fun of us. The Celtics board has literally gone out of their way to make fun of the nets. And you have to understand that net fans are going to jump at the chance to fire back.

What you might not know is that even though a few net fans have been coming over here to stir the pot, every time this thread gets brought up on the Nets forum, it gets met with a bunch of replies from long time nets posters to not troll the thread.

My suggestion: change the name of the thread, or delete it completely. All you need is a "2017 Draft thread" where you can discuss prospects you would like to consider. Once you make the thread more about enjoying the Nets failure instead of the actual purpose the thread should be serving, you're intentionally trying troll the net fans.

I think nets fans have to do a better job of understanding why you guys would be so fascinated with our Pick, and why you would like to see us fail. But at the same time, some Celtic fans don't have to be such dicks about it. I'm not trying to troll, I'm just trying to be blunt with you. This is why net fans and Celtic fans can't get along. And net fans are just going to keep reacting the way they are until something is done about it.

nahh we're good


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And that's cool. Just don't bitch and moan when net fans want to fire back at you guys. Its your own fault you guys get trolled.

If all we end up with is Jaylen Brown we still made out like bandits. But, yeah fair enough fellas.

[DeRoma]

Nets fans - this year's pick could end up being 10th, and next year's pick could end up being 15th.....and if you want to celebrate that as a victory, feel free to do so. It's like entering the 4th quarter down by 35 points, and then making a rally at the end and losing the game by 15 points.

Bottom line: you guys still lost this trade.

I completely disagree. The Nets organization was in dire to make this type of move in order for them to realize that their philosophies in making a successful team is flawed. That's just the reality of human beings. We need to make the mistakes in order for us to stop making lateral moves. I also think you need to tip your hats off towards what the Nets are trying to accomplish to be one of the most dominant team in the league by risking everything. I think it's a much more respectful move than half of the league just trying to be pretenders with their franchise for years. Yet, when they went unsuccessful they completely swallowed their pride and went to a complete 180 in just of a span of a year. So in truth Sean Marks is a franchise changer that the Nets were hoping for and it was a snowball effect of Celtics/Nets trade.

The fact that this team is projected to be horrible for at least a decade and showing life just after one year lost is a complete win for the franchise itself. I mean look at the Sixers and Sac they are both "trusting the process." Yet, their team is just stuck in limbo thinking that they are just a talent away from being great years and no signs of life being successful.

So for me, the trade was actually KG, Pierce, Terry, and Sean Marks(Franchise changer) for Humphries, Wallace, James Young, Jaylen Brown, 2017 and 2018 first rounders (that looks to be around 6th-15th pick). You guys might've won on paper but you gave us gem with Sean Marks that took a huge dent on those "valued" picks.

[DeRoma]

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And that's cool. Just don't bitch and moan when net fans want to fire back at you guys. Its your own fault you guys get trolled.

If all we end up with is Jaylen Brown we still made out like bandits. But, yeah fair enough fellas.

We also ended up with Sean Marks because of that trade. I"ll take it!!!!

[DeRoma]

As for me, I'm not trolling. My best friend is a huge Celtics fan and we have constant arguments and **** talks every time our team win or loose. We have a tradition to go to the Celtics V. Nets game at BK. I think this is just healthy competitive rivalry and something you can't take personally. We are still friends even though we constantly argue about this.

[return2glory]

That was a big win for the Nets over the Suns. They beat the Suns by 18 on the road. Nets are off to a 4-5 start, playing much better than teams like the Heat,Twolves, Wizards, Pelicans, Sun, Mavs, Nuggets, and Magic.

[jbeachboy]

anything that helps billy king get fired is a win win no matter how you look at it!

[robbie84]

Right now, Nets are tied for 10th, in the Lottery.

and?

To answer your Talent Question. There are 9 Teams with a worse record.

I was implying that talent has less to do with current standings and it's more about strength of schedule after 8 or 9 games of an 82 game season.

I believe the Nets are a bottom 4 team talent wise. Probably bottom 2.

[robbie84]

That was a big win for the Nets over the Suns. They beat the Suns by 18 on the road. Nets are off to a 4-5 start, playing much better than teams like the Heat,Twolves, Wizards, Pelicans, Sun, Mavs, Nuggets, and Magic.

I wouldn't worry too much. They've beaten the Wolves, Suns, Pistons and Pacers. They are living and dying by the 3 point shot and even when they catch fire from 3 they are still leaving the door open for losses in the 4th.
All those teams you've mentioned are better overall teams.

I just hope Anthony Davis' back injury isn't too serious because if he misses 25 games getting Holiday and Tyreke back won't stop them losing 8 out of every 10 games. (New Orleans that is).

The Nets have a stretch of:
Clippers in LA
Lakers in LA
OKC in OKC
Blazers in Portland
Celtics in Brooklyn

They'll be lucky if they're 5 wins 9 losses by then.

[SMTBSI]

Nets fans posting here after every win is like Celtics fans posting on Nets board after every loss. It shows a lack of class. Even though most of these posts are fine, there's no point of them being here.

There's an obvious conflict of interest here, and timing of these posts reveals the intent behind them. To troll the fanbase.

If you're a Nets fan, be happy that King era is over, enjoy your team but celebrating the fact that you might send 8th instead of 3rd pick is childish. Understandable, but childish.

that would be a big victory though for nets fans though. sending over a josh jackson or harry giles in division compared to an unknown prospect for years to come.

I do agree with that, actually. Because we're in the same division, the Nets do have a little bit of incentive to spoil the pick for us, if they can. Not enough incentive to do anything shortsighted like sacrifice long-term growth for wins now, but definitely enough to feel good about it if they can worsen it for us. So, it is understandable that Nets fans would celebrate that.

[SMTBSI]

As for me, I'm not trolling. My best friend is a huge Celtics fan and we have constant arguments and **** talks every time our team win or loose. We have a tradition to go to the Celtics V. Nets game at BK. I think this is just healthy competitive rivalry and something you can't take personally. We are still friends even though we constantly argue about this.

Agreed. I mean, rivalry is a large part of the whole point of sports, isn't it?

[Chuck-Cheese]

That was a big win for the Nets over the Suns. They beat the Suns by 18 on the road. Nets are off to a 4-5 start, playing much better than teams like the Heat,Twolves, Wizards, Pelicans, Sun, Mavs, Nuggets, and Magic.

I wouldn't worry too much. They've beaten the Wolves, Suns, Pistons and Pacers. They are living and dying by the 3 point shot and even when they catch fire from 3 they are still leaving the door open for losses in the 4th.
All those teams you've mentioned are better overall teams.

I just hope Anthony Davis' back injury isn't too serious because if he misses 25 games getting Holiday and Tyreke back won't stop them losing 8 out of every 10 games. (New Orleans that is).

The Nets have a stretch of:
Clippers in LA
Lakers in LA
OKC in OKC
Blazers in Portland
Celtics in Brooklyn

They'll be lucky if they're 5 wins 9 losses by then.

its early and despite their start they are still a terrible team. Maybe we end up with the 6th pick this year and not the 1st. We still end up with a very good prospect in a deep draft.

[Prokorov]

I'm pretty sure danny and many others had the foresight to think the nets team could easily be bottom 5 right when this deal was made, so its not crazy to think our front office had a reasonable expectation that those picks were going to be decent. the writing was already on the wall with DWill in my opinion, lets be real here.

why would you say the writing was on the wall for Dwill? he posted 23/8 on 62 TS% post all star break and lead the nets to one of the easts best records in the second half right before the offseason deal. it was his best play as a net.

[robbie84]

Nets fans - this year's pick could end up being 10th, and next year's pick could end up being 15th.....and if you want to celebrate that as a victory, feel free to do so. It's like entering the 4th quarter down by 35 points, and then making a rally at the end and losing the game by 15 points.

Bottom line: you guys still lost this trade.

I completely disagree. The Nets organization was in dire to make this type of move in order for them to realize that their philosophies in making a successful team is flawed. That's just the reality of human beings. We need to make the mistakes in order for us to stop making lateral moves. I also think you need to tip your hats off towards what the Nets are trying to accomplish to be one of the most dominant team in the league by risking everything. I think it's a much more respectful move than half of the league just trying to be pretenders with their franchise for years. Yet, when they went unsuccessful they completely swallowed their pride and went to a complete 180 in just of a span of a year. So in truth Sean Marks is a franchise changer that the Nets were hoping for and it was a snowball effect of Celtics/Nets trade.

The fact that this team is projected to be horrible for at least a decade and showing life just after one year lost is a complete win for the franchise itself. I mean look at the Sixers and Sac they are both "trusting the process." Yet, their team is just stuck in limbo thinking that they are just a talent away from being great years and no signs of life being successful.

So for me, the trade was actually KG, Pierce, Terry, and Sean Marks(Franchise changer) for Humphries, Wallace, James Young, Jaylen Brown, 2017 and 2018 first rounders (that looks to be around 6th-15th pick). You guys might've won on paper but you gave us gem with Sean Marks that took a huge dent on those "valued" picks.

How do you conclude that you guys are showing life? I'm not being hostile I just don't agree. I mean you're talent is very poor. If you trade Brook, you'll get mid first/late lottery pick but your outlook is Caris Levert, Rondae and...not much? I agree Marks is good pick up but the roster is just horrid.

And your pick this year is more likely to be a top 3 pick than #5 or #6. Which teams have less talent than you guys in the NBA right now? And then if you trade Brook?