OT - Trump

[mos_def]

Oh man, you've been brain washed to the max.

Americans in particular Republican Americans have been against Russia for 100 years!

Now that they are led by a Fascist in Putin you want to align with them? And you're calling Soros evil?

You voted for Trump who is supported by KKK a white supremacist organisation that wants to eliminate all other races? And you are telling me Soros is the evil one?

Are you totally ignoring the fact that there are hundreds and hundreds of attacks against minority groups in the name of Trump? And you are telling me Trump is the good guy? Are you kidding me? Or maybe you hate minority groups and are happy with what is going on?

I hate racism. BUt you only see the stuff for the racist Trump vote cuz you probably follow left wing media. DId you see 3 black guys pull out that old white man out of his van and stomp him. How about that Westside Highschool incident. Its not just Trump backers. Its always been there and if you didn't see that than like the DNC said, you were probably living in a bubble and its the main reason the DNC lost the election.

KKK did vote for Trump. You going to blame ISIS on Obama? You cant and cant say Trump is behind the hate. Stupidity and ignorance on both sides are behind it. The only difference between the perceived racist nature of Trump and Soros is that Soros has admitted to liking the killing of his own people.. I don't know if you are old enough, but you going to blame GOP on relations with Russia. DO you remember Reagan / Gorbachov? Russia was a threat to America since the World War, who had DNC Presidents. If you going to shed light on world history and news please be aware of the other side that you choose not to see.

I find it ironic that the DNC calls the Trump vote the uneducated or misinformed politically and yet they choose the ignore Soros evil regime. To be real, Hillary had an agenda for Gadolfi. but Trumps plan is pretty much against Soros.

I did see that footage that you speak of and it's horrible but for every time there's 1 of those happening there's 100 more going the other way with Trump supporters abusing minorities. FAR FAR more of those abusing minorities it's not even close. It's the equivalent of pointing out that Barnes can do a complicated move maybe once in a hundred games whilst curry can do them every other game, the comparison isn't even close.

How is ISIS blamed on Obama? That's the most ludicrously stupid things that Trump claimed that isn't even remotely true. You know Trump just says these things because he knows his gullible audience will believe him right? You don't actually believe him do you?

It's not a perceived racist nature of Trump, he was blatantly obvious. He was saying racist things, nobody is manipulating his words, he said them himself. He referred to a story about John Preshing an American Military Leader from WWI where he supposedly said (proved to be untrue but this was said nonetheless) he shot 49 muslims with bullets smeared in pig's blood (to ensure they wouldn't get to Islamic heaven) and told the 50th to go back home to tell his people of what he witnessed here. You truly cannot be more evil than use a story like this to inspire hatred within your audience in order to get votes.

You say you hate Racism and yet you voted for a man who publicly said Racist things regularly. Worse than that, much worse than that is the fact that he has galvanised people who are outwardly Racist. Now those Racist people feel like it's their right to act out with horrible racist attacks because of Trump. How could you?

I will agree that it has empowered regimes. I was on a debate committee and my black friend says Obama's tenure probably has empowered the black community to lash out (we were talking about the black-police situation and the Dallas shooting) People just do stupid stuff. I cant blame it on Trump or Obama. Its people themselves. Im from the South Pacific and married a black woman. I went to school in a predominately black school. I love black. I have seen and heard their plight, but I have heard of Western Africans during revolts talk about their history of slavery in Africa by their own people of the same color. You cant define that as racism when people are oppressed their own skin color. Its hate. The problem with America now is that there is no MLK. There is too much hate

I didn't blame ISIS Obama. People do cuz of his promise to get soldiers out of Iraq and he did but shipped them to Afghanistan and it created a vacuum in which ISIS came about.

[oaktownwarriors87]

I will agree that it has empowered regimes. I was on a debate committee and my black friend says Obama's tenure probably has empowered the black community to lash out (we were talking about the black-police situation and the Dallas shooting) People just do stupid stuff. I cant blame it on Trump or Obama. Its people themselves. Im from the South Pacific and married a black woman. I went to school in a predominately black school. I love black. I have seen and heard their plight, but I have heard of Western Africans during revolts talk about their history of slavery in Africa by their own people of the same color. You cant define that as racism when people are oppressed their own skin color. Its hate. The problem with America now is that there is no MLK. There is too much hate

I'd blame it on Obama. He needed to be the voice of calm and reason, but instead he jumped the gun several times and used divisive language to pit whites and blacks against each other.

This is where the angry white voter comes in. It's easy to shame a privileged white guy from California into voting how you want, but that doesn't work with uneducated, underprivileged, working class whites that are losing their jobs and way of life.

The only thing Obama did for minorities was get elected. I really hope history shows just how terrible he really was.

[mos_def]

I will agree that it has empowered regimes. I was on a debate committee and my black friend says Obama's tenure probably has empowered the black community to lash out (we were talking about the black-police situation and the Dallas shooting) People just do stupid stuff. I cant blame it on Trump or Obama. Its people themselves. Im from the South Pacific and married a black woman. I went to school in a predominately black school. I love black. I have seen and heard their plight, but I have heard of Western Africans during revolts talk about their history of slavery in Africa by their own people of the same color. You cant define that as racism when people are oppressed their own skin color. Its hate. The problem with America now is that there is no MLK. There is too much hate

I'd blame it on Obama. He needed to be the voice of calm and reason, but instead he jumped the gun several times and used divisive language to pit whites and blacks against each other.

This is where the angry white voter comes in. It's easy to shame a privileged white guy from California into voting how you want, but that doesn't work with uneducated, underprivileged, working class whites that are losing their jobs and way of life.

The only thing Obama did for minorities was get elected. I really hope history shows just how terrible he really was.

Im not going to bash Obama's presidency. I disagreed with a lot of his foreign policy, but lets be real, Hillary was his Sec of State. Obama made a lot of break throughs with the LGBT community. I live in the South now cuz Philly got too cold for me, and I have had many of the black community state that Obama has done nothing for the black community. Farakhan said it too. But the real question is, what did you want Obama to do for the black community?

I will agree that it didn't help that Obama was spitting the Trump is hate speeches and now everything is ok? The standard public don't flip so easily. Look at the Bernie voters (I was one of them). Bernie was saying how Hillary was in the pocket of Wall Street and when he lost (scandal or not) Bernie backed Hillary (which is politics) but his followers didn't flip so easily. They probably stayed home or voted for Johnson or Stein.

What scares me is that the Obama/Hillary backers are so mad that they lost they flame anyone that seems nice to Trump. They did it with Fallon when he was polite to him on his show. They are doing it to Oprah now for saying she was hopeful due to what she saw after he was elected. They probably will turn on Dave Chappelle with saying give Trump a chance on SNL last night.

There is the British video out stating why the DNC lost and I found it to be pretty on point. He kept saying that the DNC keeps labeling people. Deplorables. Basement Dwellers. Backwards Catholics. Uneducated and now its the Political Uniformed. That in itself breeds for unseen barriers.

[Mylie10]

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[bakesale]

I hate racism. BUt you only see the stuff for the racist Trump vote cuz you probably follow left wing media. DId you see 3 black guys pull out that old white man out of his van and stomp him. How about that Westside Highschool incident. Its not just Trump backers. Its always been there and if you didn't see that than like the DNC said, you were probably living in a bubble and its the main reason the DNC lost the election.

KKK did vote for Trump. You going to blame ISIS on Obama? You cant and cant say Trump is behind the hate. Stupidity and ignorance on both sides are behind it. The only difference between the perceived racist nature of Trump and Soros is that Soros has admitted to liking the killing of his own people.. I don't know if you are old enough, but you going to blame GOP on relations with Russia. DO you remember Reagan / Gorbachov? Russia was a threat to America since the World War, who had DNC Presidents. If you going to shed light on world history and news please be aware of the other side that you choose not to see.

I find it ironic that the DNC calls the Trump vote the uneducated or misinformed politically and yet they choose the ignore Soros evil regime. To be real, Hillary had an agenda for Gadolfi. but Trumps plan is pretty much against Soros.

I did see that footage that you speak of and it's horrible but for every time there's 1 of those happening there's 100 more going the other way with Trump supporters abusing minorities. FAR FAR more of those abusing minorities it's not even close. It's the equivalent of pointing out that Barnes can do a complicated move maybe once in a hundred games whilst curry can do them every other game, the comparison isn't even close.

How is ISIS blamed on Obama? That's the most ludicrously stupid things that Trump claimed that isn't even remotely true. You know Trump just says these things because he knows his gullible audience will believe him right? You don't actually believe him do you?

It's not a perceived racist nature of Trump, he was blatantly obvious. He was saying racist things, nobody is manipulating his words, he said them himself. He referred to a story about John Preshing an American Military Leader from WWI where he supposedly said (proved to be untrue but this was said nonetheless) he shot 49 muslims with bullets smeared in pig's blood (to ensure they wouldn't get to Islamic heaven) and told the 50th to go back home to tell his people of what he witnessed here. You truly cannot be more evil than use a story like this to inspire hatred within your audience in order to get votes.

You say you hate Racism and yet you voted for a man who publicly said Racist things regularly. Worse than that, much worse than that is the fact that he has galvanised people who are outwardly Racist. Now those Racist people feel like it's their right to act out with horrible racist attacks because of Trump. How could you?

I will agree that it has empowered regimes. I was on a debate committee and my black friend says Obama's tenure probably has empowered the black community to lash out (we were talking about the black-police situation and the Dallas shooting) People just do stupid stuff. I cant blame it on Trump or Obama. Its people themselves. Im from the South Pacific and married a black woman. I went to school in a predominately black school. I love black. I have seen and heard their plight, but I have heard of Western Africans during revolts talk about their history of slavery in Africa by their own people of the same color. You cant define that as racism when people are oppressed their own skin color. Its hate. The problem with America now is that there is no MLK. There is too much hate

I didn't blame ISIS Obama. People do cuz of his promise to get soldiers out of Iraq and he did but shipped them to Afghanistan and it created a vacuum in which ISIS came about.

The foundation of ISIS started well before anything Obama did, however I can say after learning of the complexity of what is going on in the middle east via my own experience of going there, friends I have who are middle eastern and through the knowledge that has been imparted upon me by a good friend who studied US International Law you can say that in a round about way that the US is at least partially responsible for colluding with Saudi Arabia in the creation of ISIS. I can't explain it as eloquently as one friend who has lived through it or my other friend who has studied it at length but US definitely played a part.

It's good that you have a black wife and have those that are close to you in the black. Blacks are severely disadvantaged in America. I just wish you didn't vote for Trump who said Mexicans are drug dealers and rapists or that you need to stop all muslim immigration because they're all terrorists. It's simply not true. The irony is that now these minorities in particular are in a dangerous situation whilst living in America. To me that's outrageous and no matter which way you spin it, it starts with Trump. There's always been racism of course but Trump has now empowered those people with his policies and instalment as president elect. What a shame.

[mos_def]

The foundation of ISIS started well before anything Obama did, however I can say after learning of the complexity of what is going on in the middle east via my own experience of going there, friends I have who are middle eastern and through the knowledge that has been imparted upon me by a good friend who studied US International Law you can say that in a round about way that the US is at least partially responsible for colluding with Saudi Arabia in the creation of ISIS. I can't explain it as eloquently as one friend who has lived through it or my other friend who has studied it at length but US definitely played a part.

It's good that you have a black wife and have those that are close to you in the black. Blacks are severely disadvantaged in America. I just wish you didn't vote for Trump who said Mexicans are drug dealers and rapists or that you need to stop all muslim immigration because they're all terrorists. It's simply not true. The irony is that now these minorities in particular are in a dangerous situation whilst living in America. To me that's outrageous and no matter which way you spin it, it starts with Trump. There's always been racism of course but Trump has now empowered those people with his policies and instalment as president elect. What a shame.

ohh!!! I wish I knew you in person to talk about this more in depth, but I too have heard of stuff like this

[Coxy]

The foundation of ISIS started well before anything Obama did, however I can say after learning of the complexity of what is going on in the middle east via my own experience of going there, friends I have who are middle eastern and through the knowledge that has been imparted upon me by a good friend who studied US International Law you can say that in a round about way that the US is at least partially responsible for colluding with Saudi Arabia in the creation of ISIS. I can't explain it as eloquently as one friend who has lived through it or my other friend who has studied it at length but US definitely played a part.

It's good that you have a black wife and have those that are close to you in the black. Blacks are severely disadvantaged in America. I just wish you didn't vote for Trump who said Mexicans are drug dealers and rapists or that you need to stop all muslim immigration because they're all terrorists. It's simply not true. The irony is that now these minorities in particular are in a dangerous situation whilst living in America. To me that's outrageous and no matter which way you spin it, it starts with Trump. There's always been racism of course but Trump has now empowered those people with his policies and instalment as president elect. What a shame.

ohh!!! I wish I knew you in person to talk about this more in depth, but I too have heard of stuff like this

I don't think you'd find many that would disagree with the US having their hand in so much of the Middle Eastern pie that it hurts and pisses off so many, thus the creation of an ISIS style fundamentalist group was inevitable. Thus is the price to pay for having cheap gas as an American citizen, and plenty of it.

Mass, natural, clean renewable energy is so vital for the planets peace these days. I hope I get to see it come to fruition in my lifetime. Would solve a tonne of problems, and inevitably create more, and so on.

[and1GS]

We live in a country that idolizes celebrity so much so that we elected a **** reality star president. The worst part is that we've become so desensitized to his idiocy that I hear more about #SHillary's emails from his supporters than Trump assaulting 20+(!!!) different women. He has us by the pussy.

This is a dark era for America, but it will likely bring about a lot of reform (electoral college and a revamping of the DNC to be the main changes) that may be positive in the end.

Honestly, I think people took a really cavalier attitude to this election. They assumed there was so much dirt on Trump out there that there was no way he could be president - so people said F it and didn't vote. That and a lot of people under-estimated how many pissed off lower middle class white people there are - and didn't realize that by pandering directly to them, Trump was smartly swiping the election.

I get it, lots of people voted for Trump because they're republicans. 80% of my family did. But no matter your political beliefs, you cannot support this fool as a man. He's a child advocating for bullying and an alienation of 'the other.' My nephews are already starting to latch onto his personality, god knows what effect he'll have on the country in a few years...

[wco81]

I just listened to This American Life on NPR about how different Americans looked at the election and their reaction to the results. They had on people who supported both candidates.

One of the stories was about a Utah woman who'd grown up in the state Republican Party. She actually worked for Jason Chaffetz, a Utah congressman. She decided she couldn't support Trump so she tried to convince family and friends to support Clinton. She was shunned by friends, coworkers and even members of her own family. Her younger sister disinvited her from her wedding reception.

Meanwhile, her 6 year old daughter was depressed by the results because it meant to her that a woman might never become president. In her first grade class a mock election was held and she was the only one to vote for Clinton. The rest of the class tried to get her to change her vote.

[mos_def]

change the elementary vote? sounds like now with the electoral college,lol

Oprah said it best, she was talking about Hillary though at the time, but people saying stuff about a Trump as a person. "Does it really matter? He aint coming into your house." If he does a majority of what he says than that's good. Its been said before, he is an economist. He is focused on the economy of the country. He is a listed Republican so he would have interest in foreign defense. Democrats are into civil advancements.

It kind of comes off like people expect Trump to send America back to slave days and then launch nukes at every nation that he doesn't agree with.

I don't expect the electoral college to change 1) GOP has the power 2) its the true nature of what our voting process is. we are not a true democracy. Its just that when they taught it in civics in middle/high school, it was probably over our heads at the time.

[turk3d]

Trump 60 Minute Interview:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-donald-trump-family-melania-ivanka-lesley-stahl/

I think some of you might be a bit surprised.

[turk3d]

You got any evidence for the George Soros stuff, other than Breitbart/the blaze? You do realise that the Koch brothers put in a billion dollars every election to buy republicans? you do realise that Sheldon addison puts in over half a billion to buy republican policies? You do realise that lots of other billionaires buy republican policies every election cycle? Yet Soros is the scary one? When you going to wheel out saul alinsky?

I see from your stuff that you know your political stuff so this will be good.
What person does Trump owe anything?
Hillary herself in a video conference stated that the goals of Soros align with her political ideology. Its why Trump brought up his name in one of the debates, but many don't know who he is unless you really follow politics. Her campaign chair Podesto reportedly hands out with Soros with their extreme left wing agenda. There are videos of them hanging out together. You can youtube it.

Soros has said that the destabilization of the USA is his ultimate goal before he dies. (he is quoted)
The man that has funded 6 coups in foreign countries and collapsed two economies by himself and has stated he wants to do it to the US economy
The man has been quoted on how he would destabilize America would be to fuel black hate since he finds the black community the easiest to manipulate. (its rumored that he funded the Ferguson riots as well as the anti-Trump rallies now)
The man on 60 minutes stated that at 14 he turned over his own Hungarian Jews over to the Nazi's and it was the best time of his life.
The dude help kill his own mom...
and the Liberal media (who Soros owns some of them) thinks Trump is bigot? Soros is hated by Asange (wikileaks) and Anonymous as well as having an arrest warrant in Russia. Many don't know that, but since you brought up the movers and shakers in politics you must have known that. Is it any wonder that Russia and Wikileaks were out for Hillary? Its cuz Soros was in her pocket.

Oh man, you've been brain washed to the max.

Americans in particular Republican Americans have been against Russia for 100 years!

This is true and is still the case. Apparently no love lost between Hillary and the Dems and Russia as well considering the Russians seem to prefer Trump over Hillary (which I can't understand for the life of me). Although it now seems like there is the beginning of a love affair between Putin and Trump i expect that will come to an abrupt halt once they start negotiating with each other.

Trump's not the kind of person you want to be in negotiations against and although many may feel the same about Putin, I put my money on Trump. If it were Hillary trying to deal with Putin (whom I believe he has no respect for) we'd wind up back in the cold war, where the two countries would no longer be communicating with each other and everything would be done subversively and under covert operations.

It may turn out to be the same with Trump in office, but at least there's a chance that something can be worked out to our benefit. We'll just have to see how it turns out, same as with so many other future developments.
Now that they are led by a Fascist in Putin you want to align with them? And you're calling Soros evil?

You voted for Trump who is supported by KKK a white supremacist organisation that wants to eliminate all other races? And you are telling me Soros is the evil one?

If Soros has done and said what's been stated (which I was unaware of until his post) then I'd probably say yes. Where is it that Trump has said (admitted) that he's racist? Apparently Soros has came out and said these things (if true). And as far as being supported by the KKK, let me ask this question:

If you were the KKK (or any true racist for that matter) and Trump was running against a Civil Rights advocate for most of her life (along with here husband Bill and I'm not saying that this is a bad thing) who would you vote for? Keep in mind this election wasn't a case of who the "clear cut" candidate was, it more of who do you dislike the least and thath eld true for many voters. This doesn't make Trump a racist in the sense that ,most are calling him.

Personally, I couldn't vote for Trump with a clear conscience, with all the rhetoric he put forth. But the next question I ask, was most of it nothing more than rhetoric or was it just to get elected? Now we get to find out what he really is.

Are you totally ignoring the fact that there are hundreds and hundreds of attacks against minority groups in the name of Trump? And you are telling me Trump is the good guy? Are you kidding me? Or maybe you hate minority groups and are happy with what is going on?

People go out and start wars in the name of Jesus. It doesn't mean that it is what Jesus (or God for that matter) really wants them to do. It's just a means for those people who do those things to try and justify those actions.

Hope I got those quotes right. It's difficult to manage these long posts. Apologize if I messed any of these up (got the wrong poster name on some of these quotes).

[mos_def]

[quote="turk3d"][quote]
you did a good job on the quotes

[and1GS]

I just listened to This American Life on NPR about how different Americans looked at the election and their reaction to the results. They had on people who supported both candidates.

One of the stories was about a Utah woman who'd grown up in the state Republican Party. She actually worked for Jason Chaffetz, a Utah congressman. She decided she couldn't support Trump so she tried to convince family and friends to support Clinton. She was shunned by friends, coworkers and even members of her own family. Her younger sister disinvited her from her wedding reception.

Meanwhile, her 6 year old daughter was depressed by the results because it meant to her that a woman might never become president. In her first grade class a mock election was held and she was the only one to vote for Clinton. The rest of the class tried to get her to change her vote.

That's a good podcast, I'll check out their recent episode.

This is the crux of the issue. It's very much an us vs. them mindset from both sides, which is saddening. People both refuse to have intelligent conversations and refuse to acknowledge opposing beliefs. Look no further than Facebook, where somebody will post a longwinded status opining for HIllary as our savior, then no matter if a Trump support says 'lol well you lost' or produces a logical argument, you can expect that comment to be deleted hastily.

Again, from a policy perspective, I have hope. From the inevitable role model he's providing for kids, I'm extremely concerned. Especially in densely latino states like CA, TX and Chicago.

[FNQ]

you did a good job on the quotes

Not sure if this was intentional, but that's damned funny

[FNQ]

I think Trump will try to do what he promised to his voters. One thing I hope he does is improve the economy so we have better jobs. Too many people have part-time jobs and they can't get better jobs. People like Michael Moore do nothing for me. He just wants his sh*t about climate change and all the sh*t the progressives are complaining and demonstrating about. What a bunch of whiners and pussy people. You ignore a big part of people in your party and treat them like DINOs. When Trump started winning, I started to root for him just because I can't stand the Michael Moore snobbery. Clinton is still more like Obama. She would've just been the same-o, same-o. In the end, I'm glad Trump won ha ha. I hate Obama, Clinton and Michael Moore now.

I'm glad your political takes line right up with your basketball ones.

Progressives are no in the streets right now. Liberals and establishment democrats are. Progressives are in Standing Rock protesting the DAPL, and have been since before the election. Progressives had their protest - at the convention, with minimal coverage. So methinks you need to learn the proper terminology. And yeah, a bunch of pussy people, because bulldozing the graves of indigenous people and possibly polluting their water is a-ok.

Michael Moore supported Hillary after the convention. So...

Funny enough, progressives are the *ignored* in the democratic party. The establishment used the power of the media - the ones they control - to uplift Trump while silencing Bernie. Fun fact: during the primaries, CNN and MSNBC BOTH showed more airtime of an empty Trump podium than any of the speeches Bernie gave to massive amounts of people. Until Martin O Malley dropped out, he was getting 2:1 coverage over Bernie.

So.. pretty much everything you've said seems back asswards.

[FNQ]

>>I hate Obama, Clinton and Michael Moore now.<<

Add Greg Popovich. For someone who doesn't give interviews, just STFU with your progressive liberal opinions.

How dare he give his opinion when asked, in your unsolicited opinion.

BTW, progressive and liberal are 2 different things.

[clyde21]

We live in a country that idolizes celebrity so much so that we elected a **** reality star president. The worst part is that we've become so desensitized to his idiocy that I hear more about #SHillary's emails from his supporters than Trump assaulting 20+(!!!) different women. He has us by the pussy.

This is a dark era for America, but it will likely bring about a lot of reform (electoral college and a revamping of the DNC to be the main changes) that may be positive in the end.

Honestly, I think people took a really cavalier attitude to this election. They assumed there was so much dirt on Trump out there that there was no way he could be president - so people said F it and didn't vote. That and a lot of people under-estimated how many pissed off lower middle class white people there are - and didn't realize that by pandering directly to them, Trump was smartly swiping the election.

I get it, lots of people voted for Trump because they're republicans. 80% of my family did. But no matter your political beliefs, you cannot support this fool as a man. He's a child advocating for bullying and an alienation of 'the other.' My nephews are already starting to latch onto his personality, god knows what effect he'll have on the country in a few years...

Are we really surprised? This country cares more about what trashy dress Kim K. is wearing today rather than real issues.

[FNQ]

Are we really surprised? This country cares more about what trashy dress Kim K. is wearing today rather than real issues.

Of course.. we invest little in education, we uplift people for being vapid, and our media is in the pocket of our government, presenting one side of our war de jour. We are a product of our upbringing. We don't want to invest in the people in this country, and we are now reaping what we have sown.

[FNQ]

There is the British video out stating why the DNC lost and I found it to be pretty on point. He kept saying that the DNC keeps labeling people. Deplorables. Basement Dwellers. Backwards Catholics. Uneducated and now its the Political Uniformed. That in itself breeds for unseen barriers.

That video is brilliant, and its by British satirist Jonathan Pie:

NSFW - but he's british so sometimes its hard to tell he's cursing

Watch on YouTube