The (Where Ainges Fear to) Trade Thread, 2016-17 (1.0)

[ddb]

Boston out: Bradley, Amir, BK17
Boston in: Klay

Golden State out: Klay
Golden State in: Bradley, Chandler, BK17

Phoenix out: Chandler
Phoenix in: Amir

Why for Boston: because they land a star. a young star.

Why for Golden State: land 2 guys that will seamlessly fit in and compliment Curry/Durant/Green very well. Balances things out for Golden State. Also that pick will be either a nice asset to flip, or a talented young player in a strong draft that could be added in.

Why for Phoenix: rid themselves of a multiple year contract in exchange for an expiring. opens up more time for Chriss/Len/Bender

[Edug27]

Boston out: Bradley, Amir, BK17
Boston in: Klay

Golden State out: Klay
Golden State in: Bradley, Chandler, BK17

Phoenix out: Chandler
Phoenix in: Amir

Why for Boston: because they land a star. a young star.

Why for Golden State: land 2 guys that will seamlessly fit in and compliment Curry/Durant/Green very well. Balances things out for Golden State. Also that pick will be either a nice asset to flip, or a talented young player in a strong draft that could be added in.

Why for Phoenix: rid themselves of a multiple year contract in exchange for an expiring. opens up more time for Chriss/Len/Bender

You must have little respect for Myers.

[Zaschrona]

Boston out: Bradley, Amir, BK17
Boston in: Klay

Golden State out: Klay
Golden State in: Bradley, Chandler, BK17

Phoenix out: Chandler
Phoenix in: Amir

Why for Boston: because they land a star. a young star.

Why for Golden State: land 2 guys that will seamlessly fit in and compliment Curry/Durant/Green very well. Balances things out for Golden State. Also that pick will be either a nice asset to flip, or a talented young player in a strong draft that could be added in.

Why for Phoenix: rid themselves of a multiple year contract in exchange for an expiring. opens up more time for Chriss/Len/Bender

Tbh I don't think there is such a big difference between AB and Klay now. AB is much better defender and actually is a really good shooter. Klay is absolutely superb shooter, but he does little else of anything else. A trade for him like this would be quite a lateral move for us and that BKN move could still be pure gold. It would also result in no available cap space for a max FA like Griffin or Hayward. Would Klay on a really good value contract get us closer to a championship than having AB on a superb value contract? I am really unsure about this. I am not sure Klay really is a star, I still see him way more like a glorified superb-role player that plays next to the best shooter ever.

[CelticsLV]

Boston out: Bradley, Amir, BK17
Boston in: Klay

Golden State out: Klay
Golden State in: Bradley, Chandler, BK17

Phoenix out: Chandler
Phoenix in: Amir

Why for Boston: because they land a star. a young star.

Why for Golden State: land 2 guys that will seamlessly fit in and compliment Curry/Durant/Green very well. Balances things out for Golden State. Also that pick will be either a nice asset to flip, or a talented young player in a strong draft that could be added in.

Why for Phoenix: rid themselves of a multiple year contract in exchange for an expiring. opens up more time for Chriss/Len/Bender

Tbh I don't think there is such a big difference between AB and Klay now. AB is much better defender and actually is a really good shooter. Klay is absolutely superb shooter, but he does little else of anything else. A trade for him like this would be quite a lateral move for us and that BKN move could still be pure gold. It would also result in no available cap space for a max FA like Griffin or Hayward. Would Klay on a really good value contract get us closer to a championship than having AB on a superb value contract? I am really unsure about this. I am not sure Klay really is a star, I still see him way more like a glorified superb-role player that plays next to the best shooter ever.

Who do you think took toughest defensive assignments because of Curry? Klay's defense is so underrated.
6'7 SG who can light it up and play defense. Klay has all the skills to be franchise player. Plus we could still sign max FA next year.

[ddb]

Boston out: Bradley, Amir, BK17
Boston in: Klay

Golden State out: Klay
Golden State in: Bradley, Chandler, BK17

Phoenix out: Chandler
Phoenix in: Amir

Why for Boston: because they land a star. a young star.

Why for Golden State: land 2 guys that will seamlessly fit in and compliment Curry/Durant/Green very well. Balances things out for Golden State. Also that pick will be either a nice asset to flip, or a talented young player in a strong draft that could be added in.

Why for Phoenix: rid themselves of a multiple year contract in exchange for an expiring. opens up more time for Chriss/Len/Bender

You must have little respect for Myers.

I respect him and he would get more for Klay....but it's a negotiation and you can't throw the kitchen sink at him right away. gotta inch closer and closer and then either pull the trigger or bail

[Edug27]

Boston out: Bradley, Amir, BK17
Boston in: Klay

Golden State out: Klay
Golden State in: Bradley, Chandler, BK17

Phoenix out: Chandler
Phoenix in: Amir

Why for Boston: because they land a star. a young star.

Why for Golden State: land 2 guys that will seamlessly fit in and compliment Curry/Durant/Green very well. Balances things out for Golden State. Also that pick will be either a nice asset to flip, or a talented young player in a strong draft that could be added in.

Why for Phoenix: rid themselves of a multiple year contract in exchange for an expiring. opens up more time for Chriss/Len/Bender

Tbh I don't think there is such a big difference between AB and Klay now. AB is much better defender and actually is a really good shooter. Klay is absolutely superb shooter, but he does little else of anything else. A trade for him like this would be quite a lateral move for us and that BKN move could still be pure gold. It would also result in no available cap space for a max FA like Griffin or Hayward. Would Klay on a really good value contract get us closer to a championship than having AB on a superb value contract? I am really unsure about this. I am not sure Klay really is a star, I still see him way more like a glorified superb-role player that plays next to the best shooter ever.

Who do you think took toughest defensive assignments because of Curry? Klay's defense is so underrated.
6'7 SG who can light it up and play defense. Klay has all the skills to be franchise player. Plus we could still sign max FA next year.

Agree. Klay is a really good defender. One of the best shooters in the game. He can also create his own shot, something he doesn't get enough credit for. Things would have to crash and burn for GS to trade him.

[aim2please]

Yeah, lets make a trade to make the best team in the league even better by solving their only problems (rim protection, depth). Fantastic.

[DarkAzcura]

Tbh I don't think there is such a big difference between AB and Klay now. AB is much better defender and actually is a really good shooter. Klay is absolutely superb shooter, but he does little else of anything else. A trade for him like this would be quite a lateral move for us and that BKN move could still be pure gold. It would also result in no available cap space for a max FA like Griffin or Hayward. Would Klay on a really good value contract get us closer to a championship than having AB on a superb value contract? I am really unsure about this. I am not sure Klay really is a star, I still see him way more like a glorified superb-role player that plays next to the best shooter ever.

Who do you think took toughest defensive assignments because of Curry? Klay's defense is so underrated.
6'7 SG who can light it up and play defense. Klay has all the skills to be franchise player. Plus we could still sign max FA next year.

Agree. Klay is a really good defender. One of the best shooters in the game. He can also create his own shot, something he doesn't get enough credit for. Things would have to crash and burn for GS to trade him.

We are talking about a player averaging 18/8/4 and is all defensive caliber at 26 years old, a big pulling down 13 boards a game, and a draft pick that could be used as the basis in a trade for another near star player or good young player (Noel? Okafor? maybe even Butler if the Bulls experiment fails by the deadline?). That is the type of value that should be traded for a superstar or potential superstar. Klay Thompson is not a superstar. He's an all star level player that gets superstar/franchise player hype. I understand you have to overpay to get an all star these days, though, so this trade is way more fair then that Bradley/Crowder/BKN 17 for Klay stuff that Scal speculated on.

I wouldn't expect Myers to take the deal because chemistry is always a worry, and if part of the reason Durant came to GS is because of Klay, it'd be a silly move to give up on it so quickly, but in a vacuum, that is an easy win for GS if they play their cards right with the BKN pick.

Anyway, it's kind of moot. I can't imagine "contenders" trading with each other. I don't see the point in making GSW better and even more out of reach for us to catch up to. I guess the benefit would come into play next summer because while I think Klay is overhyped, he's definitely a better selling point in FA than Bradley and a rookie from the BKN pick. We'd definitely have a way better shot at luring a guy like Griffin if we had Klay. I don't disagree with that, which is the long term view I should probably be taking instead of hating on Klay, lol.

[ddb]

Who do you think took toughest defensive assignments because of Curry? Klay's defense is so underrated.
6'7 SG who can light it up and play defense. Klay has all the skills to be franchise player. Plus we could still sign max FA next year.

Agree. Klay is a really good defender. One of the best shooters in the game. He can also create his own shot, something he doesn't get enough credit for. Things would have to crash and burn for GS to trade him.

We are talking about a player averaging 18/8/4 and is all defensive caliber at 26 years old, a big pulling down 13 boards a game, and a draft pick that could be used as the basis in a trade for another near star player or good young player (Noel? Okafor? maybe even Butler if the Bulls experiment fails by the deadline?). That is the type of value that should be traded for a superstar or potential superstar. Klay Thompson is not a superstar. He's an all star level player that gets superstar/franchise player hype. I understand you have to overpay to get an all star these days, though, so this trade is way more fair then that Bradley/Crowder/BKN 17 for Klay stuff that Scal speculated on.

I wouldn't expect Myers to take the deal because chemistry is always a worry, and if part of the reason Durant came to GS is because of Klay, it'd be a silly move to give up on it so quickly, but in a vacuum, that is an easy win for GS if they play their cards right with the BKN pick.

Anyway, it's kind of moot. I can't imagine "contenders" trading with each other. I don't see the point in making GSW better and even more out of reach for us to catch up to. I guess the benefit would come into play next summer because while I think Klay is overhyped, he's definitely a better selling point in FA than Bradley and a rookie from the BKN pick. We'd definitely have a way better shot at luring a guy like Griffin if we had Klay. I don't disagree with that, which is the long term view I should probably be taking instead of hating on Klay, lol.

Cousins is most likely star dealt this season, not Klay

[reload141]

I wonder if we will see Crowder or Bradleys Names in rumours closer to the deadline.... I imagine if one or both are moved then the Celtics must think they are a legit chance at Gordon Hayward in the offseason... just interesting to see

[ddb]

I wonder if we will see Crowder or Bradleys Names in rumours closer to the deadline.... I imagine if one or both are moved then the Celtics must think they are a legit chance at Gordon Hayward in the offseason... just interesting to see

Hayward to Boston has legs. It's almost common knowledge in the hoops circles to be honest with you. However, Utah has a good team and could absolutely make the playoffs, make some noise even and do everything they can to retain Hayward.

[GoCeltics123]

I wonder if we will see Crowder or Bradleys Names in rumours closer to the deadline.... I imagine if one or both are moved then the Celtics must think they are a legit chance at Gordon Hayward in the offseason... just interesting to see

Hayward to Boston has legs. It's almost common knowledge in the hoops circles to be honest with you. However, Utah has a good team and could absolutely make the playoffs, make some noise even and do everything they can to retain Hayward.

Who do you think has a higher chance of coming to Boston, Hayward or Cousins?

[klemen4]

Bradley+Chandler makes gsw a better team that a team right now with Klay...sure it won't happen, but a big team could cause problems to gsw in finals.

Still great idea ddb.

[CelticsLV]

Who do you think took toughest defensive assignments because of Curry? Klay's defense is so underrated.
6'7 SG who can light it up and play defense. Klay has all the skills to be franchise player. Plus we could still sign max FA next year.

Agree. Klay is a really good defender. One of the best shooters in the game. He can also create his own shot, something he doesn't get enough credit for. Things would have to crash and burn for GS to trade him.

We are talking about a player averaging 18/8/4 and is all defensive caliber at 26 years old, a big pulling down 13 boards a game, and a draft pick that could be used as the basis in a trade for another near star player or good young player (Noel? Okafor? maybe even Butler if the Bulls experiment fails by the deadline?). That is the type of value that should be traded for a superstar or potential superstar. Klay Thompson is not a superstar. He's an all star level player that gets superstar/franchise player hype. I understand you have to overpay to get an all star these days, though, so this trade is way more fair then that Bradley/Crowder/BKN 17 for Klay stuff that Scal speculated on.

I wouldn't expect Myers to take the deal because chemistry is always a worry, and if part of the reason Durant came to GS is because of Klay, it'd be a silly move to give up on it so quickly, but in a vacuum, that is an easy win for GS if they play their cards right with the BKN pick.

Anyway, it's kind of moot. I can't imagine "contenders" trading with each other. I don't see the point in making GSW better and even more out of reach for us to catch up to. I guess the benefit would come into play next summer because while I think Klay is overhyped, he's definitely a better selling point in FA than Bradley and a rookie from the BKN pick. We'd definitely have a way better shot at luring a guy like Griffin if we had Klay. I don't disagree with that, which is the long term view I should probably be taking instead of hating on Klay, lol.

Chandler at 34 and still 3y/12mil has close to neutral/negative value even for a contender! To compare Bradley vs Klay you will need much larger sample size than just 9 games. Bradley still needs to show some kind of consistency. He has already cooled off in terms of shooting/scoring since his outburst against Hornets and imo his numbers will continue to go down when Crowder, Horford comes back. While Klay already has 2 really good seasons under his belt playing as 2nd option and has shown capability to carry his team. (look how many 30+,40+ point games he has). Nets pick is still a HUGE ? mark. And do you really think GMs value picks like this board by just saying: "Oh Nets suck, 4-5 is just a fluke, other teams will pick it up and overtake them, realx it's sure top 5!"
Last all-star (Love) trade required TWO clear number 1 draft picks. You think you can get away with one or maybe two huge question marks for an all-star, not to mention SUPERSTAR? Good luck with that.
And by the way, that haul for Klay is bad for Warriors. I mean Chandler, Bradley, BK pick. Klay is like Harden, Barnes who needs his own team to really unleash his full potenial. So far he's just playing specific role instead of being focal point.

[Curmudgeon]

I can't think of two players more dissimilar than Klay Thompson and James Harden.

[CelticsLV]

I can't think of two players more dissimilar than Klay Thompson and James Harden.

You clearly didn't get my point.

[klemen4]

I think we can give kings the best package:

- bos 17 (brk swap)
- brk 18

No doubt danny would include this two.

Than they would probably want Smart and Brown. One for sure would be included, both? Where do you draw the line?

Imo it's a stars league and Cousins is probably the best c in the league...we probably have to go all in and worry about bench later.

It
Bradley
Crowder
Horford
Cousins

I think can win a championship?

[DarkAzcura]

I can't think of two players more dissimilar than Klay Thompson and James Harden.

You clearly didn't get my point.

It doesn't fit still, and I know what you meant. If Klay Thompson was prime to become a franchise level superstar, it would be reflected in his advanced statistics, and it does not at all. He's an all star level player.

Harden was clearly going to be an amazing player worthy of being a franchise player when he left OKC. His advanced numbers were off the charts. He was putting up superstar advanced numbers in a limited role with OKC. Klay Thompson does not do that. His WS/48 are not superstar level. His BPM isn't superstar level. His TS% isn't superstar level. His playmaking isn't superstar level. His shooting ability is superstar level, but without most of the other facets of impact, he cannot be considered a superstar or come close to being compared to a guy like Harden.

Agree. Klay is a really good defender. One of the best shooters in the game. He can also create his own shot, something he doesn't get enough credit for. Things would have to crash and burn for GS to trade him.

We are talking about a player averaging 18/8/4 and is all defensive caliber at 26 years old, a big pulling down 13 boards a game, and a draft pick that could be used as the basis in a trade for another near star player or good young player (Noel? Okafor? maybe even Butler if the Bulls experiment fails by the deadline?). That is the type of value that should be traded for a superstar or potential superstar. Klay Thompson is not a superstar. He's an all star level player that gets superstar/franchise player hype. I understand you have to overpay to get an all star these days, though, so this trade is way more fair then that Bradley/Crowder/BKN 17 for Klay stuff that Scal speculated on.

I wouldn't expect Myers to take the deal because chemistry is always a worry, and if part of the reason Durant came to GS is because of Klay, it'd be a silly move to give up on it so quickly, but in a vacuum, that is an easy win for GS if they play their cards right with the BKN pick.

Anyway, it's kind of moot. I can't imagine "contenders" trading with each other. I don't see the point in making GSW better and even more out of reach for us to catch up to. I guess the benefit would come into play next summer because while I think Klay is overhyped, he's definitely a better selling point in FA than Bradley and a rookie from the BKN pick. We'd definitely have a way better shot at luring a guy like Griffin if we had Klay. I don't disagree with that, which is the long term view I should probably be taking instead of hating on Klay, lol.

Chandler at 34 and still 3y/12mil has close to neutral/negative value even for a contender! To compare Bradley vs Klay you will need much larger sample size than just 9 games. Bradley still needs to show some kind of consistency. He has already cooled off in terms of shooting/scoring since his outburst against Hornets and imo his numbers will continue to go down when Crowder, Horford comes back. While Klay already has 2 really good seasons under his belt playing as 2nd option and has shown capability to carry his team. (look how many 30+,40+ point games he has). Nets pick is still a HUGE ? mark. And do you really think GMs value picks like this board by just saying: "Oh Nets suck, 4-5 is just a fluke, other teams will pick it up and overtake them, realx it's sure top 5!"
Last all-star (Love) trade required TWO clear number 1 draft picks. You think you can get away with one or maybe two huge question marks for an all-star, not to mention SUPERSTAR? Good luck with that.
And by the way, that haul for Klay is bad for Warriors. I mean Chandler, Bradley, BK pick. Klay is like Harden, Barnes who needs his own team to really unleash his full potenial. So far he's just playing specific role instead of being focal point.

Last year's version of Bradley on a team where he gets to shoot wide open shots all day long and focus on being the best perimeter defender in the league + a big like Chandler who can grab rebounds like nothing would be better for their team than another guy who scores 20 points and doesn't do a lot else (yes Klay is a good defender, but Bradley is much better on that end). They have Durant and Curry on their team. Guys like Bradley, Chandler, and whoever you could swing with the BKN 17 pick would result in a much better and more well rounded team. Throwing a bunch of scorers together has diminishing effects. And my examples for who you could get with that BKN 17 pick were not examples of superstars. I mentioned Noel and Okafor..potentially Butler if Chicago blows up at the deadline (Butler is not a superstar..).

Also, let's not act like Love actually demanded the value of two number 1 picks in typical drafts. Bennett was trash and everyone knew it. That doesn't count, lol. They did get one legit number 1 pick out of it in Wiggins, which was impressive, but that was also a perfect storm of events with Lebron going back to the Cavs and forcing them to trade for Love. Without Lebron going to the Cavs, it's totally possible Minnesota would have ended up only getting our 6th pick, one of the other Brooklyn picks, and maybe Bradley for Love, which is more typical value in those blow em up kind of trades.

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I wonder if we will see Crowder or Bradleys Names in rumours closer to the deadline.... I imagine if one or both are moved then the Celtics must think they are a legit chance at Gordon Hayward in the offseason... just interesting to see

Hayward to Boston has legs. It's almost common knowledge in the hoops circles to be honest with you. However, Utah has a good team and could absolutely make the playoffs, make some noise even and do everything they can to retain Hayward.

Well that's the thing then isn't it... we have a height problem atm and Bradleys deal finishes sooner than Crowders so if you deal for Cousins let's say it's Amir+Bradley + 2 Brooklyn picks and Memphis pick or whatever then in the offseason sign Hayward that's a major upgrade in every way... even with Bradleys improved ball handling, rebounding, scoring etc Hayward is another guy next to IT that can actually make plays and can draw fouls to get to the line in crunch time.

I don't know what the deal for Cousins would be but would we have to include Brown also? Or maybe Amir Bradley Brown and 1 Brooklyn pick?

[ddb]

I wonder if we will see Crowder or Bradleys Names in rumours closer to the deadline.... I imagine if one or both are moved then the Celtics must think they are a legit chance at Gordon Hayward in the offseason... just interesting to see

Hayward to Boston has legs. It's almost common knowledge in the hoops circles to be honest with you. However, Utah has a good team and could absolutely make the playoffs, make some noise even and do everything they can to retain Hayward.

Who do you think has a higher chance of coming to Boston, Hayward or Cousins?

Good question. Maybe both to be honest with you. That's not out of the question. But if we're picking 1 or the other I'd say it's a greater shot that it is Hayward.