2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread

LloydFree · Post #101 » by **LloydFree** » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:34 pm

Ericb5 wrote:
LloydFree wrote:
JoJoEmbiid wrote:This year is a little different because it's such a deep draft. I believe Ball was around 7, which is top 4 I every other draft. I don't like Giles though, skinny and brittle.

Staaap. This year is not much different than any other year.

This year isn't any deeper than the 2014 or 2015 draft were projected. Remember when Wiggins, Parker, Randle, Gordon and Exum were going to challenge Iverson, Marbury, Allen, Kobe and Nash for best draft ever? Remember when we were going to be challenging for the Championship with a core of MCW, Noel and Wiggins (or if we get Exum, we could always get Okafor next year)? Guys get too caught up in this yearly nonsense. People assuming that the 76ers will automatically be set by whoever they get in this draft, are being way too presumptuous. The players in this draft aren't projected any better (or NBA ready) than either of the 2014 or 2015 drafts. Multiple players picked in the top 5 of each of those drafts aren't anything special and the same will happen in this draft.

Wait until you see the players 2 or 3 games before you figure out every guard in this draft is a potential All-star.

I agree that is too early to really evaluate the draft, but at this point I think that the draft is looking very deep in the top 10, and neither 2015, nor 2016 was looking like that this early.

It is an open question if there will be a single prospect on the level of Embiid, KAT or Simmons, but the next tier down could have as many as 5-6 guys, and that is a very good sign.

This year's draft class isn't thought of any more highly than the 2015 draft. Okafor, Towns, Turner, Mudiay, Johnson and Oubre were thought of just as highly, if not more highly than this class. And we all know the outcome of that terrific class.

Kobblehead · Post #102 » by **Kobblehead** » Sun Nov 13, 2016 5:33 pm

Yeah, not a fan of statements about the depth or talent level of a draft during the summer before or the fall of the college season. We don't know who's going to perform or emerge.

Unbreakable99 · Post #103 » by **Unbreakable99** » Sun Nov 13, 2016 5:58 pm

I just need 3 legitimate PGs to emerge. 3 high level PGs and I'm good. We should be able to get one of them.

Kobblehead · Post #104 » by **Kobblehead** » Sun Nov 13, 2016 6:37 pm

D Fox will be on ESPN2 at 6pm.

Negrodamus · Post #105 » by **Negrodamus** » Mon Nov 14, 2016 2:51 am

Briscoe will, not surprisingly, be our best scorer. He finishes at the rim through contact so well. His miserable shooting was mental. I'm not saying it's his strong suite, but he's able to hit open shots and should be a much improved FT shooter. I think he could have left last year because of how great he is at getting to the rim while being UKs best defender.

TTP · Post #106 » by **TTP** » Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:40 am

Doesn't matter how well you get to the rim if you shoot 46% when you get there. It's nuts to chalk up that degree of failure to just being a mental issue, but even if you did, seems likely that mental issues would only get worse at a higher level.

Kolkmania · Post #107 » by **Kolkmania** » Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:26 am

LloydFree wrote:
Ericb5 wrote:
LloydFree wrote:Staaap. This year is not much different than any other year.

This year isn't any deeper than the 2014 or 2015 draft were projected. Remember when Wiggins, Parker, Randle, Gordon and Exum were going to challenge Iverson, Marbury, Allen, Kobe and Nash for best draft ever? Remember when we were going to be challenging for the Championship with a core of MCW, Noel and Wiggins (or if we get Exum, we could always get Okafor next year)? Guys get too caught up in this yearly nonsense. People assuming that the 76ers will automatically be set by whoever they get in this draft, are being way too presumptuous. The players in this draft aren't projected any better (or NBA ready) than either of the 2014 or 2015 drafts. Multiple players picked in the top 5 of each of those drafts aren't anything special and the same will happen in this draft.

Wait until you see the players 2 or 3 games before you figure out every guard in this draft is a potential All-star.

I agree that is too early to really evaluate the draft, but at this point I think that the draft is looking very deep in the top 10, and neither 2015, nor 2016 was looking like that this early.

It is an open question if there will be a single prospect on the level of Embiid, KAT or Simmons, but the next tier down could have as many as 5-6 guys, and that is a very good sign.

This year's draft class isn't thought of any more highly than the 2015 draft. Okafor, Towns, Turner, Mudiay, Johnson and Oubre were thought of just as highly, if not more highly than this class. And we all know the outcome of that terrific class.

What do we know of the outcome of that "terrific" class? Well, Towns is perhaps the biggest talent in the NBA. Russell, Porzingis, Booker and Turner are among the more exciting prospects of the league. With Justise Winslow already on of the best versatile defenders, Lyles an important player for the Jazz and even very deep in the draft players like Richardson and Powell were contributors on PO teams. Plenty of other players have showed very promising signes but are held back due to injuries or limited minutes like Payne, Hollis-Jefferson, Nance JR, etc.

I do agree that every draft class is a bit overrated at this point in the season, but last season the experts already acknowledged that this years draft was better than last years.

LloydFree · Post #108 » by **LloydFree** » Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:41 am

Kolkmania wrote:
LloydFree wrote:
Ericb5 wrote:
I agree that is too early to really evaluate the draft, but at this point I think that the draft is looking very deep in the top 10, and neither 2015, nor 2016 was looking like that this early.

It is an open question if there will be a single prospect on the level of Embiid, KAT or Simmons, but the next tier down could have as many as 5-6 guys, and that is a very good sign.

This year's draft class isn't thought of any more highly than the 2015 draft. Okafor, Towns, Turner, Mudiay, Johnson and Oubre were thought of just as highly, if not more highly than this class. And we all know the outcome of that terrific class.

What do we know of the outcome of that "terrific" class? Well, Towns is perhaps the biggest talent in the NBA. Russell, Porzingis, Booker and Turner are among the more exciting prospects of the league. With Justise Winslow already on of the best versatile defenders, Lyles an important player for the Jazz and even very deep in the draft players like Richardson and Powell were contributors on PO teams. Plenty of other players have showed very promising signes but are held back due to injuries or limited minutes like Payne, Hollis-Jefferson, Nance JR, etc.

I do agree that every draft class is a bit overrated at this point in the season, but last season the experts already acknowledged that this years draft was better than last years.

You must have missed the point. The 76ers pinned their hope on getting one of the pre-season hyped prospects and got nothing but a backup Center. And three (3) of the five (5) best players from that class were barely ranked as top 10 prospects pre-season. Worrying about who DraftExpress says are the top prospects is a waste of time. Watch the players for yourself and wait until the season plays out.

Kolkmania · Post #109 » by **Kolkmania** » Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:46 am

LloydFree wrote:
Kolkmania wrote:
LloydFree wrote:
This year's draft class isn't thought of any more highly than the 2015 draft. Okafor, Towns, Turner, Mudiay, Johnson and Oubre were thought of just as highly, if not more highly than this class. And we all know the outcome of that terrific class.

What do we know of the outcome of that "terrific" class? Well, Towns is perhaps the biggest talent in the NBA. Russell, Porzingis, Booker and Turner are among the more exciting prospects of the league. With Justise Winslow already on of the best versatile defenders, Lyles an important player for the Jazz and even very deep in the draft players like Richardson and Powell were contributors on PO teams. Plenty of other players have showed very promising signes but are held back due to injuries or limited minutes like Payne, Hollis-Jefferson, Nance JR, etc.

I do agree that every draft class is a bit overrated at this point in the season, but last season the experts already acknowledged that this years draft was better than last years.

You must have missed the point. The 76ers pinned their hope on omgetting one of the pre-season hyped prospects and got nothing but a backup Center. And three (3) of the five (5) best players from that class were barely ranked as top 10 prospects pre-season. Worrying about who DraftExpress says are the top prospects is a waste of time. Watch the players for yourself and wait until the season plays out.

Oh I agree that mock drafts at this point are almost useless. I was responding to the quality of this years draft class and the comparison with the 2015 one, it's not a sure thing we'll get two legitimate players out of this draft but I am optimistic.

Kolkmania · Post #110 » by **Kolkmania** » Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:58 am

Fultz is in a similar scenario as Simmons last year. Horrible team and probably won't make the tournament, but will put some big numbers on the board. 30 points (11-17), 7 rebounds and 6 assists (3 TO's) in a 98-90 loss to Yale. He wasn't not the most consistent shooter in HS but I fully trust that smooth shooting stroke to translate into good percentages from beyond the arch. My main concern is his footwork and appearance, it seems a bit nonchalant at times where he's floating around the floor in a high stance. If he's going to be able to stay in front of quick guards then he's my favorite for the #1 spot.

Kobblehead · Post #111 » by **Kobblehead** » Mon Nov 14, 2016 5:25 pm

I want two-way players. If Fultz doesn't play defense, his appeal is significantly minimized, for me.

Kolkmania · Post #112 » by **Kolkmania** » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:10 am

So impressed with Lonzo Ball's athleticism/quickness, he might even be able to defend PG's in the NBA. Looks extremely active on the defensive end as well. Had 13 points, 8 rebounds, 6 assists, 5 turnovers and shooting 4/6 (FG), 1/3 (3P) 4/6 from the line in a 102-87 win against CSUN.

Watch on YouTube

DaddyCool19 · Post #113 » by **DaddyCool19** » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:40 pm

What's the plan for you guys? Get a Top 3 pick with your own and hope the Lakers pick ends up as the 5-8th and draft a PG and a Wing with those picks?

phiphan · Post #114 » by **phiphan** » Tue Nov 15, 2016 2:34 pm

Kobblehead · Post #115 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue Nov 15, 2016 3:12 pm

HOLD ONTO YOUR BUTS

Kentucky vs. Michigan State - ESPN - 7 PM
Duke vs. Kanasa - ESPN - 9:30 PM

Sixersftw · Post #116 » by **Sixersftw** » Tue Nov 15, 2016 4:00 pm

Kobblehead wrote:HOLD ONTO YOUR BUTS

Kentucky vs. Michigan State - ESPN - 7 PM
Duke vs. Kanasa - ESPN - 9:30 PM

Nice, I haven't gotten a chance to watch Tatum, including HS clips and games, at all. I'm excited for this one.

phiphan · Post #117 » by **phiphan** » Tue Nov 15, 2016 4:21 pm

Tatum/Giles/Boulden out for Duke tonight. Sucks.

2 Clutch · Post #118 » by **2 Clutch** » Tue Nov 15, 2016 4:50 pm

I'll be watching Frank Jackson tonight for Duke in a good test against an experienced Kansas back court. Jackson has legit two way potential and he checks the box for outside shooting as well. I'm hoping he's there when the LA pick rolls around.

Josh Jackson def has two way potential as well as a wing. His ball handling, and court vision are good enough to play the two and his size and athletism are big pluses at that position. If his shot comes around he's got a very high ceiling. So we might be looking at two picks in this game. Josh with ours and Frank with LA's. Def one to watch tonight.

Arsenal · Post #119 » by **Arsenal** » Tue Nov 15, 2016 5:24 pm

At this early juncture I want Markelle Fultz and Dennis Smith with our 2 picks. Or if Smith is gone, then Frank Jackson.

PG and SG of the future would be locked down.

LloydFree · Post #120 » by **LloydFree** » Tue Nov 15, 2016 5:42 pm

Arsenal wrote:At this early juncture I want Markelle Fultz and Dennis Smith with our 2 picks. Or if Smith is gone, then Frank Jackson.

PG and SG of the future would be locked down.

I like Dennis Smith's effort but I have to see more to convince me. Right now, I'm not spending a top 3 pick on a 6'2 SG/PG, with a 6'3 wingspan and little physical projection. I don't see the upside.