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darealjuice wrote:bhawk wrote:@watson - "family" means shooting record low percentages.
Yup, it's all Watson's fault all of our players are playing like ****, we definitely shouldn't hold the guys on the court accountable.
darealjuice wrote:I don't know why anyone thinks Warren should have been out there. His only significant contribution on offense is scoring, and he couldn't buy a bucket all night. Combine that with him getting torched on D all night, and that's why he wasn't playing during crunch time.
darealjuice wrote:bhawk wrote:@watson - "family" means shooting record low percentages.
Yup, it's all Watson's fault all of our players are playing like ****, we definitely shouldn't hold the guys on the court accountable.
MrMiyagi wrote:Lob to DA for the win
AtheJ415 wrote:darealjuice wrote:I don't know why anyone thinks Warren should have been out there. His only significant contribution on offense is scoring, and he couldn't buy a bucket all night. Combine that with him getting torched on D all night, and that's why he wasn't playing during crunch time.
Find me a metric that shows he isn't our best player this year. That's why.
Also, it's not like he's just a scorer. He's a very efficient, high volume scorer. Those are incredibly rare and the among the toughest thing to find in basketball. Also, he's averaging like 5 assists a game and is among the league leaders in steals with a rapidly improved on-ball defensive game.
This would nearly be the equivalent of Houston sitting Harden for Patrick Beverly because he started the game slow and Chris Paul was torching him. And that's if Beverly was shooting 7% from 3 on the year.
AtheJ415 wrote:darealjuice wrote:I don't know why anyone thinks Warren should have been out there. His only significant contribution on offense is scoring, and he couldn't buy a bucket all night. Combine that with him getting torched on D all night, and that's why he wasn't playing during crunch time.
Find me a metric that shows he isn't our best player this year. That's why.
Also, it's not like he's just a scorer. He's a very efficient, high volume scorer. Those are incredibly rare and the among the toughest thing to find in basketball. Also, he's averaging like 5 assists a game and is among the league leaders in steals with a rapidly improved on-ball defensive game.
This would nearly be the equivalent of Houston sitting Harden for Patrick Beverly because he started the game slow and Chris Paul was torching him. And that's if Beverly was shooting 7% from 3 on the year.
“We just need to come out with more energy,” Suns guard Devin Booker said.
“We have to have that same mindset that every team in the NBA is good. Everybody has good players. We’ve got to be focused from the start, whoever it is.”
“It doesn’t really matter,” Knight said of his 12-for-20 shooting game with four assists. “We’re 3-9 and our goal is to be a playoff team, so we’ve got a lot of bigger issues as a team that we have to figure it out. We’ve got to continue to be a (family) and continue to trust each other and find a way to get stops and not continue to give so many easy baskets and put pressure on our offense to score so much.”
“It’s been a long time since we had a game with the least amount of field-goal attempts,” Watson said of being outshot for only the fifth time this season. “They took our pace out of the game with offensive rebounding.”
“You have to give it time,” Watson said before the game, giving a reminder of the team’s youthful development. “Let that just develop and nurture it. Positive environment is the key. Understand and be patient with development. Understand growth is sometimes invisible. It’s inner. It’s not always outer. The inner is always important for us. The outer will follow.”
LacosteM wrote:Earl is talking the talk but not walking the walk. His rotations are laughable and he seems to be very selective in his "accountability approach". I guess making veterans happy is higher on his priority list than actually playing talented rookies. Ingram and Brown are already getting quality minutes for teams that are in actual playoff contention unlike Suns , and I don't really think they're that much further in development than Bender who keeps rotting on the bench.
Sunsss wrote:“We just need to come out with more energy,” Suns guard Devin Booker said.
“We have to have that same mindset that every team in the NBA is good. Everybody has good players. We’ve got to be focused from the start, whoever it is.”
“It doesn’t really matter,” Knight said of his 12-for-20 shooting game with four assists. “We’re 3-9 and our goal is to be a playoff team, so we’ve got a lot of bigger issues as a team that we have to figure it out. We’ve got to continue to be a (family) and continue to trust each other and find a way to get stops and not continue to give so many easy baskets and put pressure on our offense to score so much.”
“It’s been a long time since we had a game with the least amount of field-goal attempts,” Watson said of being outshot for only the fifth time this season. “They took our pace out of the game with offensive rebounding.”
“You have to give it time,” Watson said before the game, giving a reminder of the team’s youthful development. “Let that just develop and nurture it. Positive environment is the key. Understand and be patient with development. Understand growth is sometimes invisible. It’s inner. It’s not always outer. The inner is always important for us. The outer will follow.”
darealjuice wrote:We draft 2 of the rawest, youngest players in the draft that we knew immediately would be long term projects, and 12 games into the season everyone is already flipping their **** because they aren't playing much lol. It's pretty mind boggling. Chriss was the least developed player taken in the lottery, and Bender might have been the 2nd least developed, these guys are going to take time to get where they need to be to see significant playing time.
If you look at these kids without your "Rookies can do no wrong" glasses on, you'll see that these kids aren't ready to get 20+ minutes a game. Chriss can't play a lick of defense, turns the ball over like crazy despite having low usage, doesn't offer much on offense outside of the occasional open jump shot or highlight dunk, and still took over the starting job, of which he is undoubtably a bottom 5 starting PF in terms of immediate skill level. Bender has shown flashes of brilliance in limited minutes because he has a high basketball IQ, which excites everyone including me, but he doesn't have the physicality and confidence to be playing extended minutes at his natural position or the raw athleticism to compensate for it, and when we play him out of position on the perimeter he is ineffective because he just floats around the perimeter waiting for a kick out to catch and shoot because he's not strong enough or quick enough to take advantage of small forwards off the bounce yet.
I'm not saying PJ (aka the only guy everyone is talking about when they say vets are taking rookie minutes) has been performing significantly better thus far, because he's sucked too, but is it really hard to under why the guy that just lost his starting job to another one of our young guys prior to this season and has worked his ass off for this organization for years is getting playing time over a rookie that isn't physically ready to compete yet?
Be patient, the real development for Bender and Chriss isn't going to come from an extra 5-10 minutes on the court, it'll come from hours in the gym working on their game.
darealjuice wrote:We draft 2 of the rawest, youngest players in the draft that we knew immediately would be long term projects, and 12 games into the season everyone is already flipping their **** because they aren't playing much lol. It's pretty mind boggling. Chriss was the least developed player taken in the lottery, and Bender might have been the 2nd least developed, these guys are going to take time to get where they need to be to see significant playing time.
If you look at these kids without your "Rookies can do no wrong" glasses on, you'll see that these kids aren't ready to get 20+ minutes a game. Chriss can't play a lick of defense, turns the ball over like crazy despite having low usage, doesn't offer much on offense outside of the occasional open jump shot or highlight dunk, and still took over the starting job, of which he is undoubtably a bottom 5 starting PF in terms of immediate skill level. Bender has shown flashes of brilliance in limited minutes because he has a high basketball IQ, which excites everyone including me, but he doesn't have the physicality and confidence to be playing extended minutes at his natural position or the raw athleticism to compensate for it, and when we play him out of position on the perimeter he is ineffective because he just floats around the perimeter waiting for a kick out to catch and shoot because he's not strong enough or quick enough to take advantage of small forwards off the bounce yet.
I'm not saying PJ (aka the only guy everyone is talking about when they say vets are taking rookie minutes) has been performing significantly better thus far, because he's sucked too, but is it really hard to under why the guy that just lost his starting job to another one of our young guys prior to this season and has worked his ass off for this organization for years is getting playing time over a rookie that isn't physically ready to compete yet?
Be patient, the real development for Bender and Chriss isn't going to come from an extra 5-10 minutes on the court, it'll come from hours in the gym working on their game.