Where's The Youth

[asudevil]

The goal of my post is NOT to pass judgement on Watson (you are all free to vent or praise as you wish). My goal is to merely track how the minutes are distributed to see whether or not Watson is favoring a youth movement vs. playing the vets. So, as i hope to update the original post on a game by game basis, i cannot guarantee.

I really hope at we will see a trend of Watson favoring playing the young kids as the season progresses.

For just a basic explanation of how i came up with my numbers: I weight a players age vs. how many minutes they play each game. And using that calculate the Average Age of Each Minute Played per game.

For me this will be purely for fun.....but i hope it provides some knowledge into how Watson is prioritizing his distribution of minutes, and sparks discussion on the youth movement we desperately want to see.

So in the first column you will see the opponent. And the second column has the average age of the players in all the minutes played throughout the game (AAPMP).

As a basis with player and minutes per game:

Len - 30 / Chandler - 18 / Williams - 0
Chriss - 30 / Dudley - 15
Warren - 30 / Bender - 15 - Tucker - 6
Booker - 30 / Knight - 18 / Jenkins - 0
Bledsoe - 30 / Ulis - 12 / Barbosa - 6

AAPMP - 24
IMO any number above 24 shows that Watson is favoring vets, and anything 24 and under favors playing youth.

So without further adieu:

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          AAPMP
Kings     24.66
Thunder   25.13
Warriors  26
Clipppers 25.88
Blazers   25.79
Pelicans  26.39
Lakers    26.22
Blazers   24.63
Pistons   24.72
Nets      24.42
Warriors  25.01
Nuggets   26.1
Pacers    25.89
Sixers    24.61
Wizards   24.95
Magic     24.8
Wolves    25.06
Nuggests  26.14
Hawks     26.4
Warriors  24.67
Jazz      26.1
Pacers    26.43
Lakers    26.97
Hornets   27.36
Knicks    26.79
Spurs     25.73
Thunder   25.77
Wolves    26.83
Rockets   25.3
Sixers    26.54
Rockets   24.35
Spurs     24.45
Raptors   24.79


[NTB]

I didn't understand the calculation. Can you explain further?

[asudevil]

I didn't understand the calculation. Can you explain further?

Honestly i would like to, but i'm terrible at explaining things....especially through type. I will try though.

I'll keep it hopefully simple:
Take two players - Chandler/Len and say between the two of them they play 48 minutes in an average NBA game.
Chandler (age 34) - plays 24 minutes
Len (age 23) - plays 24 minutes

Between the two the average age (per 48 minutes total) is 28.5 years old.

But if we change those minutes to:
Chandler (age 34) - plays 12 minutes
Len (age 23) - plays 36 minutes

Between the two the average age (per 48 minutes total) is 25.75 years old....because the age of the player plays a factor when comparing to the minutes played.

I really hope that makes some sense.

For my first post i factored in the age of all the players on the team when making the same type of calculation.

[lilfishi22]

How did you get to >24 AAPM = favouring vets ? Or is it just a line you drew?

[asudevil]

How did you get to >24 AAPM = favouring vets ? Or is it just a line you drew?

The AAPM baseline of 24 basically states that if the vets (as a whole) get more minutes than the lineup i stated in my OP, then they are being favored over the younger guys. This is only based on my personally opinion. I can easily update on the preferences of the board or give a poster their own AAPM based on the minutes they give me.

Granted, if people believe that an individual player should get more minutes, the <>24 wont be affected a whole lot, as this is the average of the entire team as a whole.

But if you/we decide that Chriss/Len/Ulis should be getting less minutes in favor of Chandler/Dudley/Knight then that baseline of 24 could grow to 25 or 26.

This will be interesting. Did you just do the teams you listed so far? Or have you done all of them?

I believe that i've listed all of the games that we've played thus far this season and will update as the season progresses.

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I have no problem data collecting and giving everyone their own their own AAPM and averaging it out with the board preferences.

[bwgood77]

How did you get to >24 AAPM = favouring vets ? Or is it just a line you drew?

The AAPM baseline of 24 basically states that if the vets (as a whole) get more minutes than the lineup i stated in my OP, then they are being favored over the younger guys. This is only based on my personally opinion. I can easily update on the preferences of the board or give a poster their own AAPM based on the minutes they give me.

Granted, if people believe that an individual player should get more minutes, the <>24 wont be affected a whole lot, as this is the average of the entire team as a whole.

But if you/we decide that Chriss/Len/Ulis should be getting less minutes in favor of Chandler/Dudley/Knight then that baseline of 24 could grow to 25 or 26.

This will be interesting. Did you just do the teams you listed so far? Or have you done all of them?

I believe that i've listed all of the games that we've played thus far this season and will update as the season progresses.

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I have no problem data collecting and giving everyone their own their own AAPM and averaging it out with the board preferences.

Oh, see these are the ages of OUR lineups against each team? I was originally under the impression it was the ages of the other teams and what their average age was so far throughout the season in all their games.

[edurham88]

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          AAPMP
Kings     24.66
Thunder   23.07
Warriors  26
Clipppers 25.88
Blazers   28.47
Pelicans  29.13
Lakers    26.22
Blazers   24.62
Pistons   24.72
Nets      24.21
Warriors  25.01
Nuggets   25.84

This is pretty interesting. It might be useful to adjust minutes somehow for overtime games, though. It looks like it was all vets against the Blazers and Pelicans, when really there were just 25 extra minutes to go around.

[asudevil]

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          AAPMP
Kings     24.66
Thunder   23.07
Warriors  26
Clipppers 25.88
Blazers   28.47
Pelicans  29.13
Lakers    26.22
Blazers   24.62
Pistons   24.72
Nets      24.21
Warriors  25.01
Nuggets   25.84

This is pretty interesting. It might be useful to adjust minutes somehow for overtime games, though. It looks like it was all vets against the Blazers and Pelicans, when really there were just 25 extra minutes to go around.

You are correct. I adjusted minutes for the overtime games, and it made a considerable difference. I've also added the Pacers game from tonight.

[bwgood77]

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          AAPMP
Kings     24.66
Thunder   23.07
Warriors  26
Clipppers 25.88
Blazers   28.47
Pelicans  29.13
Lakers    26.22
Blazers   24.62
Pistons   24.72
Nets      24.21
Warriors  25.01
Nuggets   25.84

This is pretty interesting. It might be useful to adjust minutes somehow for overtime games, though. It looks like it was all vets against the Blazers and Pelicans, when really there were just 25 extra minutes to go around.

You are correct. I adjusted minutes for the overtime games, and it made a considerable difference. I've also added the Pacers game from tonight.

Are you just updating the original post with adjustments? If so, make a post that says "updated for _____" after each edit/game so we can see what you are doing..don't want that work to be buried on the 2nd or 3rd page.

[asudevil]

Its been a while, but the list has been updated to include all the games up to the Raptors. I waited so long because i didnt really see a whole lot of changes with the minutes distribution.

As far as minutes go, the biggest reason that we havent dropped below the 24 AAPMP is Tucker and Chandler are still getting considerable minutes. Dudley has fallen off the map for a week or so, and Bender has picked up some minutes as a result.

Knight still gets a bunch of minutes that could be allocated to Ulis, but overall, this past week has been favorable to the youth....which is a nice change to see.

[nevetsov]

First time I've seen this thread. Very interesting data, well done! I love stuff like this.

[bwgood77]

Its been a while, but the list has been updated to include all the games up to the Raptors. I waited so long because i didnt really see a whole lot of changes with the minutes distribution.

As far as minutes go, the biggest reason that we havent dropped below the 24 AAPMP is Tucker and Chandler are still getting considerable minutes. Dudley has fallen off the map for a week or so, and Bender has picked up some minutes as a result.

Knight still gets a bunch of minutes that could be allocated to Ulis, but overall, this past week has been favorable to the youth....which is a nice change to see.

Where are the Suns on the list? I don't see them but I see the Spurs and Rockets listed twice. It also might be good to see future updates, if you continue doing them, in new posts at end of thread, so we can compare how things trend (that, and more people are likely to read the most recent posts than the initial posts).

[asudevil]

Its been a while, but the list has been updated to include all the games up to the Raptors. I waited so long because i didnt really see a whole lot of changes with the minutes distribution.

As far as minutes go, the biggest reason that we havent dropped below the 24 AAPMP is Tucker and Chandler are still getting considerable minutes. Dudley has fallen off the map for a week or so, and Bender has picked up some minutes as a result.

Knight still gets a bunch of minutes that could be allocated to Ulis, but overall, this past week has been favorable to the youth....which is a nice change to see.

Where are the Suns on the list? I don't see them but I see the Spurs and Rockets listed twice. It also might be good to see future updates, if you continue doing them, in new posts at end of thread, so we can compare how things trend (that, and more people are likely to read the most recent posts than the initial posts).

Sorry if there is still confusion. But the list is the average age of the Sun's players vs. the team listed next to it.

So the last game was against the Raptors, and the average age per minute played of the Sun's players in that game was 24.79.

The goal was to track our youth movement throughout the season and see if as the season progresses, the younger players see more and more minutes.

[bwgood77]

Its been a while, but the list has been updated to include all the games up to the Raptors. I waited so long because i didnt really see a whole lot of changes with the minutes distribution.

As far as minutes go, the biggest reason that we havent dropped below the 24 AAPMP is Tucker and Chandler are still getting considerable minutes. Dudley has fallen off the map for a week or so, and Bender has picked up some minutes as a result.

Knight still gets a bunch of minutes that could be allocated to Ulis, but overall, this past week has been favorable to the youth....which is a nice change to see.

Where are the Suns on the list? I don't see them but I see the Spurs and Rockets listed twice. It also might be good to see future updates, if you continue doing them, in new posts at end of thread, so we can compare how things trend (that, and more people are likely to read the most recent posts than the initial posts).

Sorry if there is still confusion. But the list is the average age of the Sun's players vs. the team listed next to it.

So the last game was against the Raptors, and the average age per minute played of the Sun's players in that game was 24.79.

The goal was to track our youth movement throughout the season and see if as the season progresses, the younger players see more and more minutes.

Oh yeah. I should have read my previous question and your previous answer. I guess it had been a while and I forgot and did the same thing. I'm not usually this slow. I don't think. Thanks for tracking this as it is interesting.