So how about Joel Embiid

[The_Hater]

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You give way to much credit to a guy who couldnt bring together talent and in 10 years will be looked at as one of the worst GMs we have ever seen. Its hilarious that years in to his rebuild the team is still horrible but some how this guy was a Genious for drafting a few guys in obvious spots.

Hinkie was polarizing but anyone arguing that he was a terrible GM or that he will be widely viewed as one 10 years from now clearly doesn't get it.

A large percentage of basketball fans think what he was doing was the stuff of genius and it's just unfortunate that he was replaced before me could finish what he started. If Colangelo has future success, most Sixer fans are going to view him as an extremely lucky individual to have walked into the great situation that Hinkie created.

[Ferulci]

Not sure how much credit I'm giving hinkie for embiid.

We've got to be fair with Hinkie both for the good and the bad. He deserves praises for Embiid (not necessarily picking him at 3rd, but sticking with him), the MCW trade, the Sacramento heist and so on. On the other hand, he also deserves blame for picking Okafor, the atrocious roster building and if they get low value when they trade Noel/Okafor.

[The_Hater]

Not sure how much credit I'm giving hinkie for embiid.

We've got to be fair with Hinkie both for the good and the bad. He deserves praises for Embiid (not necessarily picking him at 3rd, but sticking with him), the MCW trade, the Sacramento heist and so on. On the other hand, he also deserves blame for picking Okafor, the atrocious roster building and if they get low value when they trade Noel/Okafor.

Okafor over porzingis was likely his worst move. But to be fair, on draft night, more people were criticizing Phil for taking 'another Bargnani' then the Okafor pick. Most people missed on ranking those 2 players.

The poor roster construction was done on purpose, since he was trying to bottom out and we don't exactly know if the value of trading Noel or Okafor is bad until they're actually dealt. But you're likely correct.

But how can people roundly call what he did a failure when the new GM was quoted as saying that he walked into an 'ideal rebuilding situation'.

[Tukkerwolf]

Not sure how much credit I'm giving hinkie for embiid.

We've got to be fair with Hinkie both for the good and the bad. He deserves praises for Embiid (not necessarily picking him at 3rd, but sticking with him), the MCW trade, the Sacramento heist and so on. On the other hand, he also deserves blame for picking Okafor, the atrocious roster building and if they get low value when they trade Noel/Okafor.

Okafor over porzingis was likely his worst move. But to be fair, on draft night, more people were criticizing Phil for taking 'another Bargnani' then the Okafor pick. Most people missed on ranking those 2 players.

The poor roster construction was done on purpose, since he was trying to bottom out and we don't exactly know if the value of trading Noel or Okafor is bad until they're actually dealt. But you're likely correct.

But how can people roundly call what he did a failure when the new GM was quoted as saying that he walked into an 'ideal rebuilding situation'.

Well, three top-3 picks in a row is off course unprecedented and an ideal situation to walk into, but being so bad to get there is not very good.
Not that I think Hinie failed per se, but tanking to the extend the 67'ers did the last three years isn't an accomplishment either...

[Ferulci]

Okafor over porzingis was likely his worst move. But to be fair, on draft night, more people were criticizing Phil for taking 'another Bargnani' then the Okafor pick. Most people missed on ranking those 2 players.

That's (one of the reasons) why they are GM's. Top 3 picks in strong draft are not a given and it's their job to nail those picks. Had he drafted Porzingis (or found a trade to get Devin Booker), bards would be singing his genius as we talk. That's the beauty and cruelty of being a GM.

[/quote]But how can people roundly call what he did a failure when the new GM was quoted as saying that he walked into an 'ideal rebuilding situation'.[/quote]
Hinkie plan was so divisive that it's hard to find rational opinions between "Hinkie died for our sins" and absolute hatred.

[The_Hater]

We've got to be fair with Hinkie both for the good and the bad. He deserves praises for Embiid (not necessarily picking him at 3rd, but sticking with him), the MCW trade, the Sacramento heist and so on. On the other hand, he also deserves blame for picking Okafor, the atrocious roster building and if they get low value when they trade Noel/Okafor.

Okafor over porzingis was likely his worst move. But to be fair, on draft night, more people were criticizing Phil for taking 'another Bargnani' then the Okafor pick. Most people missed on ranking those 2 players.

The poor roster construction was done on purpose, since he was trying to bottom out and we don't exactly know if the value of trading Noel or Okafor is bad until they're actually dealt. But you're likely correct.

But how can people roundly call what he did a failure when the new GM was quoted as saying that he walked into an 'ideal rebuilding situation'.

Well, three top-3 picks in a row is off course unprecedented and an ideal situation to walk into, but being so bad to get there is not very good.
Not that I think Hinie failed per se, but tanking to the extend the 67'ers did the last three years isn't an accomplishment either...

But that was his plan. Bottom out, get high picks and hopefully land a couple of future superstars to build around. At the same time he's keep the cap sheet clean and hoard assets whenever possible. He told the Sixers fans and ownership this is what he was going to do and he did

People just seem more upset that he attempted this in the first place then whether or not I might have worked exactly as he hoped. Most tanking GM's aren't as obvious or forthright with their intentions.

[Tukkerwolf]

Okafor over porzingis was likely his worst move. But to be fair, on draft night, more people were criticizing Phil for taking 'another Bargnani' then the Okafor pick. Most people missed on ranking those 2 players.

The poor roster construction was done on purpose, since he was trying to bottom out and we don't exactly know if the value of trading Noel or Okafor is bad until they're actually dealt. But you're likely correct.

But how can people roundly call what he did a failure when the new GM was quoted as saying that he walked into an 'ideal rebuilding situation'.

Well, three top-3 picks in a row is off course unprecedented and an ideal situation to walk into, but being so bad to get there is not very good.
Not that I think Hinie failed per se, but tanking to the extend the 67'ers did the last three years isn't an accomplishment either...

But that was his plan. Bottom out, get high picks and hopefully land a couple of future superstars to build around. At the same time he's keep the cap sheet clean and hoard assets whenever possible. He told the Sixers fans and ownership this is what he was going to do and he did

People just seem more upset that he attempted this in the first place then whether or not I might have worked exactly as he hoped. Most tanking GM's aren't as obvious or forthright with their intentions.

I understand, hence my last sentence. But is it really that difficult to tank?
And I might be wrong, as I don't keep track of the 67'ers that closely, but hasn't the only asset-hoarding been Holiday - Noel/Saric and some low-range picks? And getting a clean cap sheet in three years is mostly just a case of not signing good players and letting overpaid players walk.

[Renegade_H]

Hinkie should be remembered for his ability to win every trade that he made. His biggest heist is arguably his most overlooked.

Picking Payton (knowing Orlando coveted him) then getting Orlando to give back our 2017 1st, Draft Saric for us, and throw in a 2nd rounder. Imagine if we did NOT get our 1st this year. Media and fans would be having a field day. Hinkie was not left with much after Doug Collins gutted our future. He built it back up and hopefully soon we will see the fruits of his effort.

PS still believe Hinkie wanted Porzingis but shot down by Ownership who didnt want another European that may not come over.

[qm22]

That's travel both times - he moves his pivot foot before he starts dribble.

By the book, sure, but those are only travels in reality if NBA refs want to start blowing the whistle for travelling on 75% of possessions.

Yeah, if they aren't calling it than you're hurting yourself by playing by the rules. Though that layup pivot is more often called. But IMO it depends if the refs are enjoying the show. I didn't see the travel on the first gif (drive from inside the 3), looked like a first step after catching the ball without a genuine pivot, from what I noticed. But if it is right that Towns switched pivot feet both times it then looks like Embiid's defense was good/should have had him contained.

[madmaxmedia]

Hinkie should be remembered for his ability to win every trade that he made. His biggest heist is arguably his most overlooked.

Picking Payton (knowing Orlando coveted him) then getting Orlando to give back our 2017 1st, Draft Saric for us, and throw in a 2nd rounder. Imagine if we did NOT get our 1st this year. Media and fans would be having a field day. Hinkie was not left with much after Doug Collins gutted our future. He built it back up and hopefully soon we will see the fruits of his effort.

PS still believe Hinkie wanted Porzingis but shot down by Ownership who didnt want another European that may not come over.

I don't even remember that, definitely a great trade for the Sixers. Yes it was conditional, but I guess the net effect was/is getting back a 1st? (I googled it but there were so many clauses I stopped trying to understand it.)

If you like where the Sixers sit right now, then it's hard to blast Hinkie too much for doing exactly what he was brought in to do (meaning the Process may have been his plan, but ownership would not have hired him or let him carry it out if they were not on board with it.) It still may not pan out, who knows. But it doesn't pan out for a lot of teams.

[lorak]

I didn't see the travel on the first gif (drive from inside the 3), looked like a first step after catching the ball without a genuine pivot, from what I noticed.

Here you could see that play from better angles:

Watch on YouTube

[spursscott]

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You give way to much credit to a guy who couldnt bring together talent and in 10 years will be looked at as one of the worst GMs we have ever seen. Its hilarious that years in to his rebuild the team is still horrible but some how this guy was a Genious for drafting a few guys in obvious spots.

Hinkie was polarizing but anyone arguing that he was a terrible GM or that he will be widely viewed as one 10 years from now clearly doesn't get it.

A large percentage of basketball fans think what he was doing was the stuff of genius and it's just unfortunate that he was replaced before me could finish what he started. If Colangelo has future success, most Sixer fans are going to view him as an extremely lucky individual to have walked into the great situation that Hinkie created.

A large percentage of clueless fans? Doesnt take a genius to throw a pathetic basketball team on the court and lose.

[The_Hater]

Well, three top-3 picks in a row is off course unprecedented and an ideal situation to walk into, but being so bad to get there is not very good.
Not that I think Hinie failed per se, but tanking to the extend the 67'ers did the last three years isn't an accomplishment either...

But that was his plan. Bottom out, get high picks and hopefully land a couple of future superstars to build around. At the same time he's keep the cap sheet clean and hoard assets whenever possible. He told the Sixers fans and ownership this is what he was going to do and he did

People just seem more upset that he attempted this in the first place then whether or not I might have worked exactly as he hoped. Most tanking GM's aren't as obvious or forthright with their intentions.

I understand, hence my last sentence. But is it really that difficult to tank?
And I might be wrong, as I don't keep track of the 67'ers that closely, but hasn't the only asset-hoarding been Holiday - Noel/Saric and some low-range picks? And getting a clean cap sheet in three years is mostly just a case of not signing good players and letting overpaid players walk.

I agree but all of that is still a strategy that numerous so-called tanking teams either didn't execute or failed to execute properly.

As far as assets, they got the Lakers pick for MCW. Had a heist last year and landed Stauskas and a future first from Sacramento. (Stauskas has played well this season too). Two stash 1st rounders are still overseas and roster is starting to look flush with assets Saric, Embiid and Simmons are all rookies. Most important in all that of course is both Embiid and Simmons look like real building blocks.

[spursscott]

Okafor over porzingis was likely his worst move. But to be fair, on draft night, more people were criticizing Phil for taking 'another Bargnani' then the Okafor pick. Most people missed on ranking those 2 players.

The poor roster construction was done on purpose, since he was trying to bottom out and we don't exactly know if the value of trading Noel or Okafor is bad until they're actually dealt. But you're likely correct.

But how can people roundly call what he did a failure when the new GM was quoted as saying that he walked into an 'ideal rebuilding situation'.

Well, three top-3 picks in a row is off course unprecedented and an ideal situation to walk into, but being so bad to get there is not very good.
Not that I think Hinie failed per se, but tanking to the extend the 67'ers did the last three years isn't an accomplishment either...

But that was his plan. Bottom out, get high picks and hopefully land a couple of future superstars to build around. At the same time he's keep the cap sheet clean and hoard assets whenever possible. He told the Sixers fans and ownership this is what he was going to do and he did

People just seem more upset that he attempted this in the first place then whether or not I might have worked exactly as he hoped. Most tanking GM's aren't as obvious or forthright with their intentions.

Oh yeah what a "plan". Im not upset that he decided to tank the **** out of the sixers I just find it hilarious that people label him a genius for doing it.

[The_Hater]

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You give way to much credit to a guy who couldnt bring together talent and in 10 years will be looked at as one of the worst GMs we have ever seen. Its hilarious that years in to his rebuild the team is still horrible but some how this guy was a Genious for drafting a few guys in obvious spots.

Hinkie was polarizing but anyone arguing that he was a terrible GM or that he will be widely viewed as one 10 years from now clearly doesn't get it.

A large percentage of basketball fans think what he was doing was the stuff of genius and it's just unfortunate that he was replaced before me could finish what he started. If Colangelo has future success, most Sixer fans are going to view him as an extremely lucky individual to have walked into the great situation that Hinkie created.

A large percentage of clueless fans? Doesnt take a genius to throw a pathetic basketball team on the court and lose.

Your response only proves your ignorance to what he actually did over 3 seasons.

[spursscott]

Hinkie was polarizing but anyone arguing that he was a terrible GM or that he will be widely viewed as one 10 years from now clearly doesn't get it.

A large percentage of basketball fans think what he was doing was the stuff of genius and it's just unfortunate that he was replaced before me could finish what he started. If Colangelo has future success, most Sixer fans are going to view him as an extremely lucky individual to have walked into the great situation that Hinkie created.

A large percentage of clueless fans? Doesnt take a genius to throw a pathetic basketball team on the court and lose.

Your response only proves your ignorance to what he actually did over 3 seasons.

Your over glorification of every move this idiot made is hilarious almost as hilarious as the sixers record this season.

[Renegade_H]

I don't even remember that, definitely a great trade for the Sixers. Yes it was conditional, but I guess the net effect was/is getting back a 1st? (I googled it but there were so many clauses I stopped trying to understand it.)

If you like where the Sixers sit right now, then it's hard to blast Hinkie too much for doing exactly what he was brought in to do (meaning the Process may have been his plan, but ownership would not have hired him or let him carry it out if they were not on board with it.) It still may not pan out, who knows. But it doesn't pan out for a lot of teams.

I have half Season tickets so yes I like where they are. Lots of work to do and we have to give BB his starting PG for the future. I'm assuming Simmons will be that guy. Add Bayless, Simmons, and Noel to this current team. Subtract McConnell, defensive inept Okafor. We need guards and wings in the worst way. But I hope BC is patient.

If LAL pick lands 8-10 and our pick lands top 3, We could be looking at Markelle Fultz and someone like Lonzo Ball added to our team.

[Tukkerwolf]

But that was his plan. Bottom out, get high picks and hopefully land a couple of future superstars to build around. At the same time he's keep the cap sheet clean and hoard assets whenever possible. He told the Sixers fans and ownership this is what he was going to do and he did

People just seem more upset that he attempted this in the first place then whether or not I might have worked exactly as he hoped. Most tanking GM's aren't as obvious or forthright with their intentions.

I understand, hence my last sentence. But is it really that difficult to tank?
And I might be wrong, as I don't keep track of the 67'ers that closely, but hasn't the only asset-hoarding been Holiday - Noel/Saric and some low-range picks? And getting a clean cap sheet in three years is mostly just a case of not signing good players and letting overpaid players walk.

I agree but all of that is still a strategy that numerous so-called tanking teams either didn't execute or failed to execute properly.

As far as assets, they got the Lakers pick for MCW. Had a heist last year and landed Stauskas and a future first from Sacramento. (Stauskas has played well this season too). Two stash 1st rounders are still overseas and roster is starting to look flush with assets Saric, Embiid and Simmons are all rookies. Most important in all that of course is both Embiid and Simmons look like real building blocks.

I forgot about the Lakers picks indeed. That was a good trade.
Embiid and Simmons could be home-runs indeed, but again: just finish 28-30th three years in a row and you'll land players like those.

[The_Hater]

I understand, hence my last sentence. But is it really that difficult to tank?
And I might be wrong, as I don't keep track of the 67'ers that closely, but hasn't the only asset-hoarding been Holiday - Noel/Saric and some low-range picks? And getting a clean cap sheet in three years is mostly just a case of not signing good players and letting overpaid players walk.

I agree but all of that is still a strategy that numerous so-called tanking teams either didn't execute or failed to execute properly.

As far as assets, they got the Lakers pick for MCW. Had a heist last year and landed Stauskas and a future first from Sacramento. (Stauskas has played well this season too). Two stash 1st rounders are still overseas and roster is starting to look flush with assets Saric, Embiid and Simmons are all rookies. Most important in all that of course is both Embiid and Simmons look like real building blocks.

I forgot about the Lakers picks indeed. That was a good trade.
Embiid and Simmons could be home-runs indeed, but again: just finish 28-30th three years in a row and you'll land players like those.

Well first you have to have the balls to try and finish 30th for 3 straight years. Charlotte tried tanking awhile back and ended up with Zeller,/Biyombo/MKG with those high picks. Cleveland got Irving/Thompson/Waiters/Bennett in a 3 year period. Good thing Bron came back.

Obviously not every top 3-4 pick in every draft is surefire superstar. The only team that ever really nailed 3 straight drafts in recent history was OKC.

[trickshot]

Looking at the 6ers roster, I'd like a 6er fan to enlighten me on how hinkie would have moved forward from this point. I mean he gets full credit for Embiid and Simmons but the extent to which he bottomed out has left them with limited trade assets to build around those two.

Noel and Okafor are the obvious trade assets but what you get in return is what the market is willing to give up. And even with cap space I don't see any marquee free agents coming over. Theres no rush so maybe with patience a worthwhile player will come up on the trade block