The (Where Ainges Fear to) Trade Thread, 2016-17 (1.0)

[Gomes3PC]

Favors to me is basically a younger, more dominant version of Amir. That's a really valuable piece that we could use here. The fact that he's truly big enough to guard centers and hit the glass with wide bodies on the floor is what intrigues me. I also think he can play PF alongside Horford.

If the Nets pick looks to be sliding into the 8-14 range, maybe something like Amir + Rozier + Nets pick swap would work? I know that sounds like a lot, but the fact that Favors' contract is below market past next year helps in being flexible to try to add one more key piece.

[Writebloc]

If you guys are looking for a good laugh, check out this mega-trade some hack at SI proposed. I didn't even read the rest of it after seeing the Celtics part of it:

http://www.si.com/nba/2016/11/18/nba-trades-demarcus-cousins-anthony-davis-carmelo-anthony

Receiving: Carmelo Anthony (Knicks, $24.55M), Lance Thomas (Knicks, $6.19M), Cody Zeller (Hornets, $5.31M)

Trading away: Amir Johnson (Knicks, $12M), Avery Bradley (Kings, $8.2M), Tyler Zeller (Hornets, $8M), Jonas Jerebko (Pelicans, $5M) Marcus Smart (Kings, $3.57M), the rights to Ante Zizic (Kings), Brooklyn’s 2017 first-rounder (to Pelicans, Boston has swap rights)

Just read that article...lmao there's so much wrong with it from many perspectives, not just the Celtics. His logic for the Hornets trading away AD is his injury history, yet they're getting back Bradley **** Beal. This is what they're supposed to be getting in this scenario for AD:

"Bradley Beal (Wizards, $22.1M), Jonas Jerebko (Celtics, $5M), Brooklyn’s 2017 first-round pick first (after Boston inevitably swaps), Washington’s top-10 protected 2017 first-rounder, Charlotte’s unprotected 2019 first-round pick "

The package the Celtics are sending out is way way way better than that, yet they aren't getting AD.

He has the Kings receiving:

"Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (Hornets, $13M), Marcin Gortat (Wizards, $12M), Avery Bradley (Celtics, $8.26M), Marcus Smart (Celtics, $3.57M), the rights to Ante Zizic (Celtics), Charlotte’s unprotected 2017 first-rounder"

So most of the value the Kings are getting is from the Celtics. Charlotte's pick is a late first. The Celtics aren't getting Boogie.

He's got the Knicks getting:

"Rudy Gay (Kings, $13.3M), Amir Johnson (Celtics, $12M), Otto Porter (Wizards, $5.89M) "

I think getting Porter is pretty good, but pretty sure Knicks would want more value considering Porter will be an RFA.


SMH how do I get a job posting garbage for SI. I bet I could come up with a better 6 team trade right now off the top of my head.


I never tweet, but I just tweeted that guy...lol

Funny I read the same tweet was baited into the link and damn was that some hot garbage. I tweeted him back as well. Just awful!

[Wes-J]

I'd trade that BRK pick in a heartbeat for Favors.

[GoCeltics123]

Read on Twitter

[pasfru]

And that "one league source"'s name?

Danny Ainge.

[London2Boston]

Read on Twitter

Get it bloody done then. If we don't lose any of the core(I.T,AB,Crowder,Horford) then it is a no brainer.

[Disinformation]

And that "one league source"'s name?

Danny Ainge.

I forget...is Bucher Ainge's mouthpiece in the media?

[Andrew McCeltic]

What are people's thoughts on Derrick Favors? Per wiretap the jazz are prioritizing Hill over him. They have Lyles and Gobert already and still need to try to resign Hayward. Favors checks a lot of boxes here in terms of low post defense and rebounding along with being a capable scorer

Favors is an average rebounder, which would make him the best rebounder on our team. Great interior defensive presence. Improving scorer. I think there's something wrong with that mix of players in Utah, although they're looking better with Hill at the point, and they're finally mostly healthy and above .500. But Gobert, Favors, Hayward, the spots they occupy on the court, I think it's not perfect, like a Cleveland situation. I've wondered if Favors, with a change of scenery, better spacing and different usage, could surge into being a 20-10 guy.

I don't know how Ainge is thinking, but at least on this board, we're so attached to the idea of keeping max cap space for the summer that I think it's blurring our ability to think clearly about paths for improvement. Zeller/Jerebko/Rozier/Olynyk for Favors would be a really interesting trade, for example. And then you follow up with something with Amir...

Another under the radar target is still Alex Len. Phoenix didn't extend him, they're only playing him 22 minutes a night, and he could be, like, a Chris Mihm 2.0. But his rebounding rate is excellent, he's had some great stretches, he has scoring potential.. I don't think we have any pieces Phoenix wants or needs, but Len would be a more useful investment than Bogut, for the second half of the season.

[simon24]

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Get it bloody done then. If we don't lose any of the core(I.T,AB,Crowder,Horford) then it is a no brainer.

I don't see how BOS could get Cousins without breaking up the core. Definitely 2 out of the 5 got to go (IT/Smart/Bradley/Crowder/Brown), no way Boston can afford to pay all those guys.

[simon24]

What are people's thoughts on Derrick Favors? Per wiretap the jazz are prioritizing Hill over him. They have Lyles and Gobert already and still need to try to resign Hayward. Favors checks a lot of boxes here in terms of low post defense and rebounding along with being a capable scorer

Favors is an average rebounder, which would make him the best rebounder on our team. Great interior defensive presence. Improving scorer. I think there's something wrong with that mix of players in Utah, although they're looking better with Hill at the point, and they're finally mostly healthy and above .500. But Gobert, Favors, Hayward, the spots they occupy on the court, I think it's not perfect, like a Cleveland situation. I've wondered if Favors, with a change of scenery, better spacing and different usage, could surge into being a 20-10 guy.

I don't know how Ainge is thinking, but at least on this board, we're so attached to the idea of keeping max cap space for the summer that I think it's blurring our ability to think clearly about paths for improvement. Zeller/Jerebko/Rozier/Olynyk for Favors would be a really interesting trade, for example. And then you follow up with something with Amir...

Another under the radar target is still Alex Len. Phoenix didn't extend him, they're only playing him 22 minutes a night, and he could be, like, a Chris Mihm 2.0. But his rebounding rate is excellent, he's had some great stretches, he has scoring potential.. I don't think we have any pieces Phoenix wants or needs, but Len would be a more useful investment than Bogut, for the second half of the season.

Favors would be good. I just wonder would losing Favors hurt the Jazz's chance in resigning Hayward, especially since it's like Boston will be after him.

I could imagine Jazz would want Crowder/Brown to start.

Would have to extend Len next summer. Chandler is cheaper. Since PHX is tanking, I wonder would Zeller for Chandler straight up be enough.

[FlatearthZorro]

And that "one league source"'s name?

Danny Ainge.

Funny but could be true.

There are many options for a rebounder right now- Farried(Denver's FO is somewhat impossible to trade with), Chandler(cheap in the current market but old-14 mils/year), Cousins(who knows), Favors could definitely be an option as the Jazz will definitely not have money to pay him as their core will probably be- Hood/Gobert/Hyward. I don't see space for 4 max contracts. I don't see them trading Favors before getting Hayward to sign. Whiteside is a guy I'd trade the BKN pick for, I doubt the Heat would trade him despite they the fact they are in a somewhat tanking mode. Then you have Noel/Holmes(I don't count Okafor cause he's a weak rebounder and we don't need him).. I'm missing somebody...

[Andrew McCeltic]

What are people's thoughts on Derrick Favors? Per wiretap the jazz are prioritizing Hill over him. They have Lyles and Gobert already and still need to try to resign Hayward. Favors checks a lot of boxes here in terms of low post defense and rebounding along with being a capable scorer

Favors is an average rebounder, which would make him the best rebounder on our team. Great interior defensive presence. Improving scorer. I think there's something wrong with that mix of players in Utah, although they're looking better with Hill at the point, and they're finally mostly healthy and above .500. But Gobert, Favors, Hayward, the spots they occupy on the court, I think it's not perfect, like a Cleveland situation. I've wondered if Favors, with a change of scenery, better spacing and different usage, could surge into being a 20-10 guy.

I don't know how Ainge is thinking, but at least on this board, we're so attached to the idea of keeping max cap space for the summer that I think it's blurring our ability to think clearly about paths for improvement. Zeller/Jerebko/Rozier/Olynyk for Favors would be a really interesting trade, for example. And then you follow up with something with Amir...

Another under the radar target is still Alex Len. Phoenix didn't extend him, they're only playing him 22 minutes a night, and he could be, like, a Chris Mihm 2.0. But his rebounding rate is excellent, he's had some great stretches, he has scoring potential.. I don't think we have any pieces Phoenix wants or needs, but Len would be a more useful investment than Bogut, for the second half of the season.

Favors would be good. I just wonder would losing Favors hurt the Jazz's chance in resigning Hayward, especially since it's like Boston will be after him.

I could imagine Jazz would want Crowder/Brown to start.

Would have to extend Len next summer. Chandler is cheaper. Since PHX is tanking, I wonder would Zeller for Chandler straight up be enough.

No, I think it helps them. Gobert is so dominant an interior defensive force that Favors' defense is like Kevin Love's scoring in Cleveland- elite, but wasted. They put Lyles at the 4, maybe Olynyk. It helps their spacing and ball movement, Hayward gets more touches, the ball moves quicker. Favors is a pretty deliberate offensive player right now.

And if we take Favors' money, it's hard for us to get far enough back under the cap to be able to make a max offer for Hayward.

A lot depends on what happens to Brooklyn in the next month- if they look like they're going to give us a top 15 instead of a top 5 pick, I think there's a stronger case for keeping a max slot open to add a star. If we're definitely getting another top 5 selection, we don't need to swing for the fences in free agency.

They're not getting Jaylen for Favors, who's been, to be fair, an underachiever so far in his career. But I could see Crowder, Jerebko, Olynyk as a package, too. Not sure what they'll want or what we'd be willing to do.

[bceltic55]

Crowder, Smart cannot be any part of a Favors trade. Both represent toughness. KO, Young and picks for Favors.

[FlatearthZorro]

Wouldn't be shocked if Ainge traded Bradley for a big. Avery has 1 mre year left, he will be a max player or close to it. I don't think Ainge will pay him and I don't expect his value to ever be higher.

[Zaschrona]

Wouldn't be shocked if Ainge traded Bradley for a big. Avery has 1 mre year left, he will be a max player or close to it. I don't think Ainge will pay him and I don't expect his value to ever be higher.

I have absolutely no problem paying Bradley max if we are able to put together a team that has a realistic chance to win it all before he gets that extension. AB is still improving and just about to enter his prime years. He is a stud.

[chrisab123]

Wouldn't be shocked if Ainge traded Bradley for a big. Avery has 1 mre year left, he will be a max player or close to it. I don't think Ainge will pay him and I don't expect his value to ever be higher.

This seems to be where things are trending. IT is too valuable to move if this team wants to contend after a big trade.

[Zaschrona]

What about Greg Monroe? He is going to use his player option almost surely. Would help us a lot and would likely cost not too much.

[Roddy]

Amir Johnson
Marcus Smart
Jae Crowder
LAC 2nd round pick
Wolves 2nd round pick

for

Kenneth Faried
Wilson Chandler

IT / Rozier / Jackson
Bradley / Nader / Young
Chandler / Brown / Green
Faried / Jerebko / Mckey
Horford / Olynyk / Zeller

Faried is a 10/12 rbs/game guy. Good shot blocker and very athletic.
Chandler can create his own shot, nice defender, can makes 3's and a good rebounder (7rbs/game).

[Kolkmania]

Derrick Favors is good, really good. Probably among the most underrated players in the league and I just realized that he's still only 25 years old.
With Gobert getting paid, Hill and Hayward FA's and the end of Hood's rookie contract nearing, Favors might get available and would be a very nice fit with the Celtics in my opinion.

A bit injury prone but a 21.7 DREB% for his career while playing PF (and next to Gobert) is great, will somewhat fix the rebounding issues with him and Horford. On the offensive end he's a near 20/10 guy without demanding a huge USG%, doesn't have the range Horford has but still a pick and pop option with IT, certainly at the top of the key.

Not sure what Jazz would want for him though, doesn't really make sense for them to get Thomas, Bradley or Smart since their contracts are expiring in 2017/2018 as well. Crowder + Rozier + non Brooklyn picks(s)?

[truth18]

#NOCUZ