So how about Joel Embiid

[nikster]

A large percentage of clueless fans? Doesnt take a genius to throw a pathetic basketball team on the court and lose.

Your response only proves your ignorance to what he actually did over 3 seasons.

Your over glorification of every move this idiot made is hilarious almost as hilarious as the sixers record this season.

what was he supposed to do? He took a team with basically just Jrue Holiday and no assests and no bright future and now they have a bunch of young talent in Noel, Embiid, Okafor, Saric and Simmons. He didnt have tons of assests to make any big trades but the trades he did make were all great. The holiday trade was great, he got a first round pick for MCW. The 76ers may suck this year but they are dealing with injuries and limit restrictions to all their best players.

[The_Hater]

Looking at the 6ers roster, I'd like a 6er fan to enlighten me on how hinkie would have moved forward from this point. I mean he gets full credit for Embiid and Simmons but the extent to which he bottomed out has left them with limited trade assets to build around those two.

Noel and Okafor are the obvious trade assets but what you get in return is what the market is willing to give up. And even with cap space I don't see any marquee free agents coming over. Theres no rush so maybe with patience a worthwhile player will come up on the trade block

I don't see the limited assets you do. They still have several future 1st round picks in the cupboard, previous 1st round picks playing overseas and most of the roster is still on rookie deals. Plus they have 2 rookies that every single team in the league would love to have.

I'm not a 76ers fan but you'd move forward just like any other young team in the league. Identify the players who are long term building blocks (Embiid and Simmons for sure), balance the roster a little better by trading from a strength (bigs) to fill a weakness (perimeter) and know that you have a lot of cap space to make other roster moves along the way.

[Hipster Doofus]

The Sixers need a point guard. A selfless, pass-first, assist-oriented, good shooter, type of point guard. Similar to Rondo (minus the shooting), or Steve Nash. Someone who can feed Embiieast down low.

Whether it's through the draft or trades, I don't know.

[spursscott]

Your response only proves your ignorance to what he actually did over 3 seasons.

Your over glorification of every move this idiot made is hilarious almost as hilarious as the sixers record this season.

what was he supposed to do? He took a team with basically just Jrue Holiday and no assests and no bright future and now they have a bunch of young talent in Noel, Embiid, Okafor, Saric and Simmons. He didnt have tons of assests to make any big trades but the trades he did make were all great. The holiday trade was great, he got a first round pick for MCW. The 76ers may suck this year but they are dealing with injuries and limit restrictions to all their best players.

The spin you put on this is just hilarious. The fact that you lump players like Saric and Noel in to the "bunch of young talent" while acting like the sixers only had Jrue Holiday when he showed up is ridiculous. I get that you see this with some homer eyes but it doesnt take any genius to gut a team and tank for a couple years while praying what every crop of new one and done players that comes in has talent.

[CoreyGallagher]

The spin you put on this is just hilarious. The fact that you lump players like Saric and Noel in to the "bunch of young talent" while acting like the sixers only had Jrue Holiday when he showed up is ridiculous. I get that you see this with some homer eyes but it doesnt take any genius to gut a team and tank for a couple years while praying what every crop of new one and done players that comes in has talent.

Noel and Saric are both only 22, latter being a rookie, why wouldn't they be considered young talent?

He had Jrue Holiday, Evan Turner, Thad Young, and Spencer Hawes... Previous management had just traded our best player, Iguodala, the two best prospects that we had (last two first round picks), Vucevic and Harkless, as well as a future pick (which would be owed after we conveyed a pick to the Heat first) for Andrew Bynum. So, Jrue Holiday and some role players, while owing multiple picks with protections on them that even incentived us to be worse.

[sixerswillrule]

The spin you put on this is just hilarious. The fact that you lump players like Saric and Noel in to the "bunch of young talent" while acting like the sixers only had Jrue Holiday when he showed up is ridiculous. I get that you see this with some homer eyes but it doesnt take any genius to gut a team and tank for a couple years while praying what every crop of new one and done players that comes in has talent.

Noel and Saric are both only 22, latter being a rookie, why wouldn't they be considered young talent?

He had Jrue Holiday, Evan Turner, Thad Young, and Spencer Hawes... Previous management had just traded our best player, Iguodala, the two best prospects that we had (last two first round picks), Vucevic and Harkless, as well as a future pick (which would be owed after we conveyed a pick to the Heat first) for Andrew Bynum. So, Jrue Holiday and some role players, while owing picks with protections on them that even incentived us to be worse.

I think his argument is that Saric and Noel are similar to Turner and Hawes.

[CoreyGallagher]

I think his argument is that Saric and Noel are similar to Turner and Hawes.

Turner and Hawes were both 25 years old when they were traded and we had much more data of the types of players that they were/are.

[richboy]

For 2 years people have been talking about what a mistake Hinkie made taking Embiid, I remember an entire thread about it just last season, and right when Embiid finally starts to pay off you don't want to give Hinkie any credit?

On top of making the right pick instead of a more impatient pick, which many GM's wouldn't have done, it was Hinkie's tanking/rebuilding strategy that put the sixers in position to draft him in the first place. And he didn't panic by trading down or trading Embiid away for mor instant gratification which many GM's in the same position also would have done.

Your talking with rabbit ears about people. Who are these people? Yes I'm sure cynical people said it was a bad move. I know many said it was the only move.

Why should I give Hinkie credit when all his other picks have been questionable if not bad? Again at the time Embiid was only to miss 1 year. They knew that and still drafted NN. They knew they wouldn't see Saric for years. Yet somehow if he can't get Embiid right away he going to go for a quick fix. Why would anyone think they would pass on one of the most talented bigs to enter the league who still was expected to be back.

Much of this criticism around Hinkie is all his moves. Your just focused on Embiid. Which was the easiest movie he did. I'll be more impressed if they took KP. If they had drafted a Giannis Saric has been ok but I'm not seeing a star that they needed to wait years for. Phili has been bad for years and watching what talent they have to this point is still embarrassing.

Most GMs are under the pressure of ownership to make moves that provide instant gratification. Phili approach was very unique and if anything ownership would get the credit for allowing the move.

Nerlens was drafted before Embiid...

Hinkie was amazing in terms of the deals he made taking advantage of more shortsighted front offices. Tanking got the sixers embiid okafor and simmons. Hinkie got them nerlens, saric, the 2017 lakers pick, 2017 swap rights with sacramento, and unprotected 2018 sacramento first round pick. Basically for jrue holiday and michael carter williams. And he also left the sixers with insane cap room.

Respect.

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I know Nerlens was drafted before Embiid. That was my point. He was willing to do a red shirt with him and Saric but people act like it was some great thing he did it with a far superior talent in Joel.

Part of the job was to tank and then make great picks. You can't just keep tanking waiting for Lebron James. Your not guaranteed to get the number 1 pick and your not guaranteed the draft will have that level of a player. Then say well I got Embiid and later Ben Simmons. You could have had really good players before then.

If Embiid never gets injured and goes number 1 in the draft what is the discussion right now?

[sixerswillrule]

Looking at the 6ers roster, I'd like a 6er fan to enlighten me on how hinkie would have moved forward from this point. I mean he gets full credit for Embiid and Simmons but the extent to which he bottomed out has left them with limited trade assets to build around those two.

Noel and Okafor are the obvious trade assets but what you get in return is what the market is willing to give up. And even with cap space I don't see any marquee free agents coming over. Theres no rush so maybe with patience a worthwhile player will come up on the trade block

I'd say the combination of

Noel
Okafor
Saric
2017 top 5 pick
2017 top 10 pick (Lakers won't keep this up)
2019 unprotected Kings 1st

is one of the best non-building block group of assets in the league.

Even if we decide to make our top 5 pick bulding block #3, that's still a lot to work with.

[Dominator83]

Okafor over porzingis was likely his worst move. But to be fair, on draft night, more people were criticizing Phil for taking 'another Bargnani' then the Okafor pick. Most people missed on ranking those 2 players.

The poor roster construction was done on purpose, since he was trying to bottom out and we don't exactly know if the value of trading Noel or Okafor is bad until they're actually dealt. But you're likely correct.

But how can people roundly call what he did a failure when the new GM was quoted as saying that he walked into an 'ideal rebuilding situation'.

Well, three top-3 picks in a row is off course unprecedented and an ideal situation to walk into, but being so bad to get there is not very good.
Not that I think Hinie failed per se, but tanking to the extend the 67'ers did the last three years isn't an accomplishment either...

But that was his plan. Bottom out, get high picks and hopefully land a couple of future superstars to build around. At the same time he's keep the cap sheet clean and hoard assets whenever possible. He told the Sixers fans and ownership this is what he was going to do and he did

People just seem more upset that he attempted this in the first place then whether or not I might have worked exactly as he hoped. Most tanking GM's aren't as obvious or forthright with their intentions.

I'm not a 6er fan and I don't blame Hinkie at all for his strategy. That's just the nature of the beast. The NBA is by far and large the hardest of the 4 big leagues to build thru free agency. In fact it's it's near impossible. I don't mean role players or great add-ons, I mean cornerstone difference makers. As much as people whined and moaned about GSW grabbing durant, we forget how RARE that is in this league seeing a 1a or 1b FA change teams.

Trades are almost as rare too for these type of players. In the NBA, if you want stars you HAVE to draft them 90% of the time. You also normally have to be drafting high. This isn't football where there's stars to be found all over the draft board.

Hinkies way is no sure thing. But it's the best chance out of the limited avenues to take

[richboy]

The idea of lets accumulate assets is fine. It is the Isiah Thomas way of team building. Lets just get a bunch of guys and then will trade for something awesome. Problem is Hinkie got all the same players at the same position. Which is not only driving there value down. You can't even showcase them for future deals. The only reason Saric is playing now is Ben Simmons and NN got injured. If everyone was healthy 1 or 2 of these guys would struggle to get minutes. Honestly I'm not sure Okafor and NN have great value on the market.

My problem with Hinkie is they been tanking for years and they don't have the best young talent in the league. Might not even have top 5 young talent. They have the two best prospects in terms of Simmons and Embiid. Although Wiggins and Towns would argue. Pretty much every other position is up for grabs. Hinkie might have wanted another 2 years of tanking before this thing is ready to go. I could find a guy on the street that could tank for that long and have a championship team.

[sixerhp3]

The Sixers need a point guard. A selfless, pass-first, assist-oriented, good shooter, type of point guard. Similar to Rondo (minus the shooting), or Steve Nash. Someone who can feed Embiieast down low.

Whether it's through the draft or trades, I don't know.

Markelle Fultz? Also the point guard wouldn't have to be a pass first one, could be just a scorer and shooter. Simmons will handle most of the playmaking

[Marcus]

The Sixers need a point guard. A selfless, pass-first, assist-oriented, good shooter, type of point guard. Similar to Rondo (minus the shooting), or Steve Nash. Someone who can feed Embiieast down low.

Whether it's through the draft or trades, I don't know.

Markelle Fultz? Also the point guard wouldn't have to be a pass first one, could be just a scorer and shooter. Simmons will handle most of the playmaking

Fultz would be ideal. can play on or off the ball to allow Ben to do his thing. Long enough to guard 1 or 2.

[The_Hater]

The idea of lets accumulate assets is fine. It is the Isiah Thomas way of team building. Lets just get a bunch of guys and then will trade for something awesome. .

When exactly did Isiah Thomas do this. With the Knicks, he traded all his picks/young players for 5 veterans all in their 20's. I don't see the similarity at all.

Problem is Hinkie got all the same players at the same position. Which is not only driving there value down. You can't even showcase them for future deals. The only reason Saric is playing now is Ben Simmons and NN got injured. If everyone was healthy 1 or 2 of these guys would struggle to get minutes. Honestly I'm not sure Okafor and NN have great value on the market.

I think you overestimate what a problem this is. You try and draft the best player until you know who is going to work out as the best building blocks. And if you draft by position, you only increase the odds of drafting a dud. Should he have passed on Simmons to draft say Dunn? Probably not a great idea although it would have met the positional requirement you just criticized him for. I do believe that he wanted Russell instead of Okafor but the Lakers didn't leave him that choice.

And with none of Embiid, Saric and Simmons playing until this season, there were no 'showcase' issues when Hinkie was here for 3 seasons. Had Hinkie still been in charge this past summer perhaps he wouldn't have gone to war this season with all these bigs. But his replacement, Colangelo, decided he would.

[eyeatoma]

Embiid beating the Suns on his own tonight. On absolute fire. Has 17 points after just the first quarter... 3 3 pointers, 17 points, 2 fts, 4 rebs, 1 blk, 6-8 fg in just 7 minutes and 28 seconds...

[r0drig0lac]

the process

[lars_rosenberg]

17+4 in 7 minutes with 75% from 3.
Is this a videogame?

[zimpy27]

Welp, he's terrifying.

[Duke4life831]

Just think what he will be able to do when he gets some NBA talent around him. Scary prospect.

[Throwback24]

More athletic Al Jeff, huge black hole. One of my fav. players but you can't deny this