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Official Trade Thread - Part XXXI

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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXI 

Post#681 » by nate33 » Sat Nov 19, 2016 9:40 pm

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Dark Faze wrote:You can't keep Wall on this team by improving through future draft picks unless its an instant stud like Lillard/Kyrie. He's not gonna wait around--dude is going to be recruited by some great situations.


Nonsense. Wall & Porter are a very nice twosome. You tear down & rebuild in hopes of finding players like these two. In all honesty we need one more stud to battle for 2nd in the East. This draft is loaded. A quick retool on the fly means we can be better positioned as soon as next season to be a really good, young & upcoming team.

I think the most important thing is realizing the Beal mistake and selling him off before the mistake is in-correctable. I think at 23, with his supposed upside... a few teams will take a bite.

Secondly, we likely should deal one of our centers... this will ensure or help us in the acquisition of lottery balls organically without too much effort (because we'll be forced to play Smith, Nicholson or Ochefu there). Gortat makes the most sense due to his age. Getting a late first or modest prospect would be ideal.

Thirdly, let Oubre Jr & McClellan get all the burn they can handle. Let them learn at trial by fire (this will help the tank as well). This could hopefully establish one or both as cheap legit rotation options going forward.

I kinda agree with Dark Faze here. I don't think a rebuild-on-the-fly plan is going to make Wall very happy and will significantly increase the chances that he bolts in 2019.

That said, we don't really have much choice. Trade Gortat for a pick. Trade Beal for a ham sandwich. Tank this year. Hope to get lucky and draft a player who really looks like he'll develop quickly into a quality player. A few months into the 2017/18 season, we can assess the likelihood that our draft pick will develop by 2019 to be a high quality complement to Wall. If it looks like he is developing too slow, or if Wall hints that he's leaving in 2019, then trade Wall.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXI 

Post#682 » by dckingsfan » Sat Nov 19, 2016 10:16 pm

dckingsfan wrote:Trade possibilities for Omri Casspi?

No love for Casspi?
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXI 

Post#683 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Nov 19, 2016 11:01 pm

stevemcqueen1 wrote:Porter would realistically have to be included in a Cousins trade. Unless we waited until close to the deadline next year, in which case Sacramento's asking price would have to be significantly lower.


If that's the case, then don't make the deal.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXI 

Post#684 » by stevemcqueen1 » Sat Nov 19, 2016 11:54 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
stevemcqueen1 wrote:Porter would realistically have to be included in a Cousins trade. Unless we waited until close to the deadline next year, in which case Sacramento's asking price would have to be significantly lower.


If that's the case, then don't make the deal.


Sacramento won't deal him for peanuts. But they also need to deal him this year if they want to get a decent haul. If they wait until next season they're not going to get much in return for a potential three month rental.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXI 

Post#685 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Sun Nov 20, 2016 12:19 am

Wouldn't include Porter. Both Wall and Boogie are ball dominant players but also good passers. You need a guy like Porter who relentlessly cuts to the hoop and doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXI 

Post#686 » by Jon_3232 » Sun Nov 20, 2016 3:16 am

Drunk Raps fan here. Trade that could benefit us all ?

Tor in: Otto Porter, Andrew Bogut
Tor out: Jonas Valanciunas, DeMare Carroll, Tor/L.A.C 2017 1st, Delon Wright

Dallas in: Ben McLemore, Delon Wright, Marcin Gortat
Dallas out: Andrew Bogut

Wash in: DeMarcus Cousins, DeMare Carroll
Wash out: Bradley Beal, Otto Porter, Wash 2017 1st, Wash 2018 1st

Sac in: Jonas Valanciunas, Bradley Beal, Wash 2017 1st, Wash 2018 1st, Tor/L.A.C 2017 1st.

Doable ? Itd have to out do a Boston package that would likely include Jaylen Brown + Brooklyn 1st +
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXI 

Post#687 » by WallToWall » Sun Nov 20, 2016 4:16 am

Its time to trade our assets and start anew. Right now, Wall is at his peek, and we should get a LOT for him. At least a couple of 1st's that are top 5. I am sure his value is much, much more, and I'd expect to trade high. Trade Gortat for 1st rnd pick and a couple 2nds. Trade Beal for the best deal available. Roll with Porter and Ourbe. Make good picks in the draft...oh, that means Teddy fires Ernie, and he replaces with a competent GM. No more Ernie will be the best move that can be made.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXI 

Post#688 » by payitforward » Sun Nov 20, 2016 2:10 pm

Dat2U wrote:
Dark Faze wrote:You can't keep Wall on this team by improving through future draft picks unless its an instant stud like Lillard/Kyrie. He's not gonna wait around--dude is going to be recruited by some great situations.


Nonsense. Wall & Porter are a very nice twosome. You tear down & rebuild in hopes of finding players like these two. In all honesty we need one more stud to battle for 2nd in the East. This draft is loaded. A quick retool on the fly means we can be better positioned as soon as next season to be a really good, young & upcoming team.

I think the most important thing is realizing the Beal mistake and selling him off before the mistake is in-correctable. I think at 23, with his supposed upside... a few teams will take a bite.

Secondly, we likely should deal one of our centers... this will ensure or help us in the acquisition of lottery balls organically without too much effort (because we'll be forced to play Smith, Nicholson or Ochefu there). Gortat makes the most sense due to his age. Getting a late first or modest prospect would be ideal.

Thirdly, let Oubre Jr & McClellan get all the burn they can handle. Let them learn at trial by fire (this will help the tank as well). This could hopefully establish one or both as cheap legit rotation options going forward.

Dat, I'm impressed by your optimism, but there are too many assumptions behind it for me to feel tempted.

1. Beal -- usually if you've got a problem, you can only trade it for another team's problem. No one is going to actually want Brad on their team at his cost. You'd have to find some special situation where a team has someone they just *have to* dump and has unrealistically enormous cap room. I can't come up with anything like that.

2. Centers -- I doubt Mahinmi is tradable at his salary now that the off-season feeding frenzy is behind us. OTOH, Gortat is the 2d or 3d best player on the Wizards and his contract is very good value. A late R1 pick or "modest prospect" makes us worse - a lot worse.

3. Oubre & McClellan -- as likely a scenario as any is that they both are busts. McClellan will be 24 soon; he can be an NBA journeyman, and I hope that happens for him, but he doesn't mean much to our future. Still, Ernie deserves some credit for unearthing him, sad though it is to say that signing Sheldon is his best move in several years -- wow!

I applauded Ernie moving up to get Oubre. Like most of us, I thought Portis would be gone by our #19 pick. And Oubre was a higher-rated prospect. But I'm still waiting to see real development from Oubre. Give him burn, sure. But so far his play doesn't tell me that we can "be a really good, young & upcoming team" at all, let alone "as soon as next season."

It's the opposite; our troubles have just begun. When you make mistakes you have to pay for them. And we've only just begun to pay for the colossal series of mistakes Ernie has made in the 5+ years.

As to John Wall, he's irrelevant to our future. He's a terrific player though not at the very top level of PGs, and he's on a bargain salary. So far from worrying can we keep him, he's the guy we should trade. With or without him, we will be starting over soon (under a new GM I fervently hope), and his trade value would make that easier.

When we do start over, you bet, trade Gortat too. But not with the hope of competing in the East next year. No chance at all of that.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXI 

Post#689 » by payitforward » Sun Nov 20, 2016 2:14 pm

Jon_3232 wrote:Drunk Raps fan here. Trade that could benefit us all ?

Tor in: Otto Porter, Andrew Bogut
Tor out: Jonas Valanciunas, DeMare Carroll, Tor/L.A.C 2017 1st, Delon Wright

Dallas in: Ben McLemore, Delon Wright, Marcin Gortat
Dallas out: Andrew Bogut

Wash in: DeMarcus Cousins, DeMare Carroll
Wash out: Bradley Beal, Otto Porter, Wash 2017 1st, Wash 2018 1st

Sac in: Jonas Valanciunas, Bradley Beal, Wash 2017 1st, Wash 2018 1st, Tor/L.A.C 2017 1st.

Doable ? Itd have to out do a Boston package that would likely include Jaylen Brown + Brooklyn 1st +

You get a pass because you were drunk. We're not giving up Porter and two R1 picks for anybody -- that's a suicide scenario. Though it would be nice to be rid of Beal.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXI 

Post#690 » by thricethefun » Sun Nov 20, 2016 3:17 pm

payitforward wrote:
Jon_3232 wrote:Drunk Raps fan here. Trade that could benefit us all ?

Tor in: Otto Porter, Andrew Bogut
Tor out: Jonas Valanciunas, DeMare Carroll, Tor/L.A.C 2017 1st, Delon Wright

Dallas in: Ben McLemore, Delon Wright, Marcin Gortat
Dallas out: Andrew Bogut

Wash in: DeMarcus Cousins, DeMare Carroll
Wash out: Bradley Beal, Otto Porter, Wash 2017 1st, Wash 2018 1st

Sac in: Jonas Valanciunas, Bradley Beal, Wash 2017 1st, Wash 2018 1st, Tor/L.A.C 2017 1st.

Doable ? Itd have to out do a Boston package that would likely include Jaylen Brown + Brooklyn 1st +

You get a pass because you were drunk. We're not giving up Porter and two R1 picks for anybody -- that's a suicide scenario. Though it would be nice to be rid of Beal.


I still don't think Beal is a negative asset like you seem to. If he can put on a stretch where he plays like 20 straight games in which he averages 18+ he's young enough that some team that needs a #2 option will take a chance and give up picks/prospects for him. Kings, Pelicans, Knicks, Heat and Mavs all are teams that I could see having interest in him. It's just a matter of him staying on the court long enough to build his trade value up a bit.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXI 

Post#691 » by Meliorus » Sun Nov 20, 2016 5:13 pm

All these trade scenarios revolving around Beal and Wall are not going the happen. The Wizards FO doesn't like to trade "star" players at all. They will probably shop around their pick and Gortat. We'll most likely end the season with the same roster.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXI 

Post#692 » by DANNYLANDOVER » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:51 pm

Jon_3232 wrote:Drunk Raps fan here. Trade that could benefit us all ?

Tor in: Otto Porter, Andrew Bogut
Tor out: Jonas Valanciunas, DeMare Carroll, Tor/L.A.C 2017 1st, Delon Wright

Dallas in: Ben McLemore, Delon Wright, Marcin Gortat
Dallas out: Andrew Bogut

Wash in: DeMarcus Cousins, DeMare Carroll
Wash out: Bradley Beal, Otto Porter, Wash 2017 1st, Wash 2018 1st

Sac in: Jonas Valanciunas, Bradley Beal, Wash 2017 1st, Wash 2018 1st, Tor/L.A.C 2017 1st.

Doable ? Itd have to out do a Boston package that would likely include Jaylen Brown + Brooklyn 1st +



That's an awful trade. Even our GM isn't that dumb.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXI 

Post#693 » by nate33 » Sun Nov 20, 2016 9:04 pm

Meliorus wrote:All these trade scenarios revolving around Beal and Wall are not going the happen. The Wizards FO doesn't like to trade "star" players at all. They will probably shop around their pick and Gortat. We'll most likely end the season with the same roster.

Agreed. There is zero chance the Wall is traded this year. And the only way Beal is traded is if it's for a guy like Cousins or some other player who is still young enough to develop into a star. They're not dumping Beal for cap room.

They're going to give Brooks at least a full year before making significant changes. The only guy who could conceivably go is Gortat, and that's only after it becomes certain that we will miss the playoffs.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXI 

Post#694 » by Jimmy Recard » Sun Nov 20, 2016 9:56 pm

Mentioned on the jazz board that I'd consider Wall for Favors, Exum and 2017 first - some yay some nay from Jazz fans. Thoughts?

Gortat/Mahinmi
Favors/Morris
Porter/Oubre
Beal/Thornton
Exum/Sato

That length
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXI 

Post#695 » by Dat2U » Sun Nov 20, 2016 10:08 pm

Jimmy Recard wrote:Mentioned on the jazz board that I'd consider Wall for Favors, Exum and 2017 first - some yay some nay from Jazz fans. Thoughts?

Gortat/Mahinmi
Favors/Morris
Porter/Oubre
Beal/Thornton
Exum/Sato

That length


No... Favors is a FA soon. Exum has shown literally nothing and that Jazz pick will likely be in the 20s.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXI 

Post#696 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sun Nov 20, 2016 11:14 pm

DANNYLANDOVER wrote:
Jon_3232 wrote:Drunk Raps fan here. Trade that could benefit us all ?

Tor in: Otto Porter, Andrew Bogut
Tor out: Jonas Valanciunas, DeMare Carroll, Tor/L.A.C 2017 1st, Delon Wright

Dallas in: Ben McLemore, Delon Wright, Marcin Gortat
Dallas out: Andrew Bogut

Wash in: DeMarcus Cousins, DeMare Carroll
Wash out: Bradley Beal, Otto Porter, Wash 2017 1st, Wash 2018 1st

Sac in: Jonas Valanciunas, Bradley Beal, Wash 2017 1st, Wash 2018 1st, Tor/L.A.C 2017 1st.

Doable ? Itd have to out do a Boston package that would likely include Jaylen Brown + Brooklyn 1st +



That's an awful trade. Even our GM isn't that dumb.


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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXI 

Post#697 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sun Nov 20, 2016 11:17 pm

Dat2U wrote:
Jimmy Recard wrote:Mentioned on the jazz board that I'd consider Wall for Favors, Exum and 2017 first - some yay some nay from Jazz fans. Thoughts?

Gortat/Mahinmi
Favors/Morris
Porter/Oubre
Beal/Thornton
Exum/Sato

That length


No... Favors is a FA soon. Exum has shown literally nothing and that Jazz pick will likely be in the 20s.
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Jazz add another unprotected 1st; they also take Jason Smith's contract; and, then, it's a possibility.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXI 

Post#698 » by stevemcqueen1 » Mon Nov 21, 2016 2:03 am

DANNYLANDOVER wrote:
Jon_3232 wrote:Drunk Raps fan here. Trade that could benefit us all ?

Tor in: Otto Porter, Andrew Bogut
Tor out: Jonas Valanciunas, DeMare Carroll, Tor/L.A.C 2017 1st, Delon Wright

Dallas in: Ben McLemore, Delon Wright, Marcin Gortat
Dallas out: Andrew Bogut

Wash in: DeMarcus Cousins, DeMare Carroll
Wash out: Bradley Beal, Otto Porter, Wash 2017 1st, Wash 2018 1st

Sac in: Jonas Valanciunas, Bradley Beal, Wash 2017 1st, Wash 2018 1st, Tor/L.A.C 2017 1st.

Doable ? Itd have to out do a Boston package that would likely include Jaylen Brown + Brooklyn 1st +



That's an awful trade. Even our GM isn't that dumb.


Yeah that'd gut our team. Dude forgot to list Gortat as an outgoing piece. Also we can't trade consecutive first round picks right?
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXI 

Post#699 » by Dat2U » Mon Nov 21, 2016 2:16 am

I think I would include Porter in a deal for Cousins. I'd rather not but its also probably the only way a deal would get done. Too many other teams can offer enticing packages for us to expect a deal centered around just Beal & Oubre to be enough.

If we Gay in return, it makes dealing Porter more palatable in the short run.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXI 

Post#700 » by The Consiglieri » Mon Nov 21, 2016 3:56 am

I would expect us to trade him at the '19 deadline or in a sign and trade. He'd be absolutely insane to resign with us, and incredibly self-less at that. It doesn't make any sense for him to stick around unless we suddenly turn around and hire a talented GM with a proven track record, and find some loading dock in Baltimore where we can stuff Leonsis in a spare box car and have him shipped off to Guanzhou.

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