PG: Screwed the pooch

[bearadonisdna]

Spieights is statuesque as 3pt shooter.
Every thing by griffin was going to the rim after a back to the basket move.
Do i believe playing a worse defender was the best move to win the game?
No especially when he wad getting torched and the bulls werent getting any offense.

[Bulls03]

Butler played great defense on that last play. Its sad that was called a foul.

Again, the loss is on Fred not Jimmy. Its on Fred for his awful decision to play Portis. People talk about Portis being more athletic than Lopez but Portis is NOT athletic. Felicio has shown us more athletically then Portis.

Portis should've never been plced in that situation. This was a Win that got away. This road trip probably ends up 4-2 instead of 5-1. I expect a loss in Denver or tonight against the Lakers.

Should've never came to a foul anyways because he traveled.

[pduh01]

Here's why you can't play Lopez at center against a Griffin-Speights combo:

1. If he guards Speights, he needs to rotate and run out to the 3-point line. He can't do that.

2. If he guards Griffin, he is guarding every single PNR, something he can't do. He can't stop Griffin on the move, nor can he switch onto CP3, which the Bulls bigs were doing all game.

If you didn't think Portis should have played as much, that's fine. But if you think Lopez was the solution, your scouting report is way off imo.

This. Bobby should have been pulled but I would have gone small with Taj on Speights and just play Jimmy at the 4. Get another ball handler out and shooter on the floor that way. Mo was just torching us and at Jimmy maybe gets a steal, locks him up. I honestly trust the smaller Jimmy to grab a big board than Bobby there and our guards were getting to rebounds whenever the Clips missed a long shot.

That was one of my suggestions is to go small put Taj at five and Jimmy at the four which allows to switch if needed and able to guard the premieres or rotate/recover quickly.

[DuckIII]

I still have my avatar because I'm embarrased by the Rose hate that went too far and wanted to show that not all of us are like that. But that has nothing to do with anything anymore.

I think you should view it as people giving you the benefit of the doubt. Because if your Butler post wan't based on irrational fanboy backlash emotion, then it's the worst objective basketball analysis ever posted on this board. Take your pick.

[kingkirk]

You all can dismiss everything I say because I defended Rose, but you can't deny that everything in my post isn't true. I'm actually going to remove my Rose avatar because you all just assume everytime I criticize anything its because of Rose. Rose had to go, I acknowledged that. The only reason I still support him was because of the vitriol he got and people talking **** about his person, personal life, and just being disgusting for unwarranted reasons. I still have my avatar because I'm embarrased by the Rose hate that went too far and wanted to show that not all of us are like that. But that has nothing to do with anything anymore.

Jimmy needs to go. He's a cool guy but his game will eventually blow up in all of your faces.

Actually, I can deny everything in your post to be true, because it's false, stupid and based on little fact at all.

[push]

I still have my avatar because I'm embarrased by the Rose hate that went too far and wanted to show that not all of us are like that. But that has nothing to do with anything anymore.

I think you should view it as people giving you the benefit of the doubt. Because if your Butler post wan't based on irrational fanboy backlash emotion, then it's the worst objective basketball analysis ever posted on this board. Take your pick.

Fanboy backlash emotion. Lol.

I like how I've stated my dislike for Butler many times recently, even when he was playing well, yet was ignored, then everybody suddenly hears me during his bad game, and doubled down on Rose, because its still somehow all about Rose even when hes gone. All the people who hate on Rose are the only ones who still talk about him. My post had nothing to do with him, so if you want to disagree and say it's a bad analysis, thats your opinion. Butler's gotta go.

Goes for you too Mark.

Also, if I had subtley insulted user the way these two above me have, I'd have gotten quick warnings.

[jc23]

were good enough this year that these types of games balance out, down the line we will be down 19 and come back to win. And that teams fans will be bitching about how they let one go lol.

[MrSparkle]

People are freaking out, but we were missing our 2 top bench players, lost a very close game (before the technical fouls ran up the margin), and got hosed by the refs numerous times.

For the record, that was the worst foul call by the refs I've seen this season. First off, Blake Griffin switched his pivot feet atleast THREE TIMES before getting stripped. It was a traveling call by any measure. The fact they swallowed the whistle there was BS enough.

Secondly, when you get stripped, the ball is effectively a loose ball. Jimmy stripped the basketball. After Blake traveled a couple of times, I could see in TODAY's NBA that they might want to call Jimmy for reaching/checking, even though that was just good defense by any normal measure. Nevertheless, they didn't call a reaching foul.

Jimmy poked the ball out. He moved in on a loose ball. Blake chucked up a loose ball with 0.1 seconds on the shot clock, and the referees gave Blake 2 FT shots to break a 1-possession game.

That's the way I ration it. Did it decide the game? No, cause the Bulls would've still had to make a basket to tie it up. But did it help decide the game? Yes. With Jimmy and Wade, I'd feel good about their chances of taking it to OT or even winning on a 3P.

Beyond this, yes -- the Bulls should've caught some rebounds and shot a better clip. Pretty hard to win when the bench combined for 15 points, less than Speights alone.

[Ctownbulls]

I love how people are defending Fred playing Portis because "Lopez can't guard the 3 point line". You do realize Speights scored 18 points and dominated so clearly Portis can't do it either but also didn't add anything of value to the other side of the ball.

[Red Larrivee]

I love how people are defending Fred playing Portis because "Lopez can't guard the 3 point line". You do realize Speights scored 18 points and dominated so clearly Portis can't do it either but also didn't add anything of value to the other side of the ball.

The bottomline is that Portis, even though he isn't a better defender, is at least quick enough to move on the pick/roll against stretch bigs and contest the shots.

There is no way Lopez would be able to. He can't cover ground on the perimeter.

[Jax Teller]

The only reason I can come up with Portis playing now is because Hoiberg is being told to play and try to develop him. He has not played well at any point nor earned any minutes, it looks to me like they are trying to force his development. They see something most of us don't.

[Mk0]

Another note from last night that I forgot to mention was that when Butler defended Blake in the opening minutes he took a shot and was wincing for a stretch while holding his (right) side. He shook it off but he wasn't moving like he was afterwards and I attributed that to his slow start and lack of driving.

I didn't see an elbow but it was while Blake was backing him down and he was doing his herky-jerky elbow swipes so I figured that is what hurt him.

[Mk0]

I just remembered my favorite quote of the night from a Clippers fan,

"The Bulls got Rondo? Whaaaaat!? $#!T the Bulls are stacked!"

[BeatDaCavs420]

I still have my avatar because I'm embarrased by the Rose hate that went too far and wanted to show that not all of us are like that. But that has nothing to do with anything anymore.

I think you should view it as people giving you the benefit of the doubt. Because if your Butler post wan't based on irrational fanboy backlash emotion, then it's the worst objective basketball analysis ever posted on this board. Take your pick.

[BeatDaCavs420]

I still have my avatar because I'm embarrased by the Rose hate that went too far and wanted to show that not all of us are like that. But that has nothing to do with anything anymore.

I think you should view it as people giving you the benefit of the doubt. Because if your Butler post wan't based on irrational fanboy backlash emotion, then it's the worst objective basketball analysis ever posted on this board. Take your pick.

[kulaz3000]

The only reason I can come up with Portis playing now is because Hoiberg is being told to play and try to develop him. He has not played well at any point nor earned any minutes, it looks to me like they are trying to force his development. They see something most of us don't.

I can probably tell you why he gets a lot of minutes. By all accounts he is always playing hard and at least putting in the effort every second he is out there, and when you see how hard a player plays regardless of his deficiencies, you are compelled to play that player. But sooner or later, the coaches need to take into account the production that player has on the floor and right now, Portis doesn't provide many positives when he is out there which is a damn shame.

But if you want to take a more conspiracy point of view, it could be a possibility that we are force feeding him minutes because management has put the word to Fred that they are looking to trade him, so to give him minutes when he can to drive up his value. If this happens to be true, the more minutes he gets, the lower his value is going to be the end result.

That said, the more I think about it, the more it seems like the latter could be a decent possibility actually.

[push]

I still have my avatar because I'm embarrased by the Rose hate that went too far and wanted to show that not all of us are like that. But that has nothing to do with anything anymore.

I think you should view it as people giving you the benefit of the doubt. Because if your Butler post wan't based on irrational fanboy backlash emotion, then it's the worst objective basketball analysis ever posted on this board. Take your pick.

If you're gonna constantly passive-aggressively sneak diss people you should probably work on your grammar

[waffle]

hindsight, yeah.

I don't think Fred really had a choice. Lopez wasn't the answer. At least Portis had the chance of being the answer, but, as we saw, he sure as heck wasn't. And every once in a while a random guy gets hot. It happens. I am glad Portis got some consistent burn, I think it helps Fred know what he can count on from him. Not much, as it turns out.

Again, I don't think Fred really had any appetizing options.

[GimmeDat]

I think you should view it as people giving you the benefit of the doubt. Because if your Butler post wan't based on irrational fanboy backlash emotion, then it's the worst objective basketball analysis ever posted on this board. Take your pick.

If you're gonna constantly passive-aggressively sneak diss people you should probably work on your english

Before all of this goes any further push, let's forget all the Rose-defense talk and just look at what you said that elicited such a response from everyone.

Jimmy Butler is averaging 24/6/4 with 2 steal a game, on 46% FG and 43% shooting, with great defense to boot. He has absolutely carried this basketball team so far this season, and he's solidified himself as probably a Top 10 player at this point.

He may not have the most aesthetic game compared to a lot of superstar players, but the proof is in the pudding statistically. The fact that one sub-par night amidst a slew of incredible ones warrants you to critique him so heavily suggests there's probably a bit of bias there.

[FriedRise]

In hindsight...

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