Where is Jahlil Okafor?

[TTP]

His "good" PnR defense in the third clip is still looking pretty bad despite being slightly more aggressive.

[76ciology]

Okafor's currently second behind H.Barnes on ISO offense frequency at 28.5%. 1.10 points per possession from Jah on ISO is elite. In comparison LBJ is .94 and KD is at 1.08

[76ciology]

His "good" PnR defense in the third clip is still looking pretty bad despite being slightly more aggressive.

Both ended into baskets. I felt that drive from Knight would not happened if Williams didn't push Jah to knock him off position to challenge shot at the rim.

Nevertheless, better D compared to 1st half due to stepping out or moving his feet more to cover ground.

[TTP]

His "good" PnR defense in the third clip is still looking pretty bad despite being slightly more aggressive.

Both ended into baskets. I felt that drive from Knight would not happened if Williams didn't push Jah to knock him off position to challenge shot at the rim.

Nevertheless, better D compared to 1st half due to stepping out or moving his feet more to cover ground.

I was talking about the first shot where he performed a weak closeout that didn't really affect the shot. It just sucks because he always has to plant far back so he doesn't get burned and it just looks like he'll never be quick enough to both contain the paint from the drive and close out on the shot.

[76ciology]

His "good" PnR defense in the third clip is still looking pretty bad despite being slightly more aggressive.

Both ended into baskets. I felt that drive from Knight would not happened if Williams didn't push Jah to knock him off position to challenge shot at the rim.

Nevertheless, better D compared to 1st half due to stepping out or moving his feet more to cover ground.

I was talking about the first shot where he performed a weak closeout that didn't really affect the shot. It just sucks because he always has to plant far back so he doesn't get burned and it just looks like he'll never be quick enough to both contain the paint from the drive and close out on the shot.

If Simmons was playing PG, maybe they'd just switch the PnR? If Okafor steps out, his teammates should also be able to do the right rotations at the rim and at the perimeter. I thought he played decent PnR D in the 3rd quarter against the Suns.

But I also don't see how he would be able to defend it like Whiteside, Gobert, DeAndre or Embiid where he can cover a lot of space at the middle of the action (ball handler/roll man).

[pasfru]

Heck, I would do Okafor to the Celtics for Avery Bradley right now. Dude is Westbrook-lite. 18 ppg and 9 rpg (which is insane for a 6'2" guard). Fast and strong and only 26 years old, not even fully in his prime yet.

If we keep waiting and choosing youthful age instead real NBA players with the hope that they'll grow as we envision them to and still sign with us in their prime, we ain't going nowhere. We need a mix of the two, youth and veterans. Pick the youth that you want to keep (Embiid, Saric, Simmons, Noel, Stauskas) and everyone else can be NBA veterans that we can shuffle in and out every 2-3 years until the youth reaches their prime.

Hahahahahahahahahahaha

[pasfru]

Heck, I would do Okafor to the Celtics for Avery Bradley right now. Dude is Westbrook-lite. 18 ppg and 9 rpg (which is insane for a 6'2" guard). Fast and strong and only 26 years old, not even fully in his prime yet.

If we keep waiting and choosing youthful age instead real NBA players with the hope that they'll grow as we envision them to and still sign with us in their prime, we ain't going nowhere. We need a mix of the two, youth and veterans. Pick the youth that you want to keep (Embiid, Saric, Simmons, Noel, Stauskas) and everyone else can be NBA veterans that we can shuffle in and out every 2-3 years until the youth reaches their prime.

Every Sixer fan would do that deal. Ainge is no dummy though. No way he does that. He would laugh at BC then hang up the phone.

We should at least inquire I think, even if more players are involved. The Celtics are struggling right now and looking for answers. Maybe it's a good time to try and pull the trigger on something.

Our answer is not getting injured.

Okafor literally solves none of our current needs in terms of rebounding and rim protection. There is absolutely no reason for us to trade Avery for him, and if you think otherwise, you're being delusional.

[TTP]

Every Sixer fan would do that deal. Ainge is no dummy though. No way he does that. He would laugh at BC then hang up the phone.

We should at least inquire I think, even if more players are involved. The Celtics are struggling right now and looking for answers. Maybe it's a good time to try and pull the trigger on something.

Our answer is not getting injured.

Okafor literally solves none of our current needs in terms of rebounding and rim protection. There is absolutely no reason for us to trade Avery for him, and if you think otherwise, you're being delusional.

If you're looking for delusional, the Okafor thread is where you want to be!

[CoreyGallagher]

He simply said that he would trade Okafor for him and that he would want BC to inquire. He didn't say anything about the Celtics pov on the matter...

Also, Bradley is playing exceptionally well, but the Westbrook comparison by way of rebounding, it's aberrant and not sustainable. A player, especially a 6'2" player, doesn't go from rebounding 3-4 per game for 6 seasons and then suddenly 9 in his 7th (for a full season), doubling his rebounding percentage. It's likely due to the injuries and small sample size. The Celtics are still being outrebounded with him on the court and rebounding that much.

[Kolkmania]

He simply said that he would trade Okafor for him and that he would want BC to inquire. He didn't say anything about the Celtics pov on the matter...

Also, Bradley is playing exceptionally well, but the Westbrook comparison by way of rebounding, it's aberrant and not sustainable. A player, especially a 6'2" player, doesn't go from rebounding 3-4 per game for 6 seasons and then suddenly 9 in his 7th (for a full season), doubling his rebounding percentage. It's likely due to the injuries and small sample size. The Celtics are still being outrebounded with him on the court and rebounding that much.

Due to their horrible rebounding bigs they let Amir Johnson, Tyler Zeller, Jonas Jerebko, etc. box their man out and let the guards pick up the loose balls. It'll probably not sustain at this high rate, but a massive increase is a logical consequence because of a gameplan change. A nice example of context needed to explain/understand statistics.

[pasfru]

Since when has rebounding figured all that much into a guard's value?

Avery's improved significantly in terms of his scoring, shooting, ball handling... virtually every aspect of his game along with his already superb on-ball defence not just since last season but as a whole over the last few years.

I know you guys see Jahlil as the #3 pick and he should therefore pull in #3 pick talent, but your front office has literally no say in who or what you're getting back for him or Noel.

From the outside looking in, I think Jahlil is worth Rozier, Zeller and maybe the Celtics 2018 1st round pick, but regardless, we don't have a need for him.

It's hard, I understand, but when you're coming up with trade proposals you have to take some time to look at it from the other team's perspective and not be jumping through mental gymnastics to try and legitimise it.

For example, to look at it from your angle, I saw a Kings fan on Reddit yesterday propose DeMarcus Cousins and Darren Collison for Joel Embiid, T. J. McConnell, Hollis Thompson and your 2017/2019 1st round picks.

His reasoning? Because the Sixers have lots of picks and "the Kings would only be getting one". It makes no sense, you guys have absolutely no need to do that trade, but when you're a fan of another team, 99% of people only look at it from their own perspective and not the other team's.

Just something to think about. Not trying to cause any trouble here.

[pasfru]

He simply said that he would trade Okafor for him and that he would want BC to inquire. He didn't say anything about the Celtics pov on the matter...

Also, Bradley is playing exceptionally well, but the Westbrook comparison by way of rebounding, it's aberrant and not sustainable. A player, especially a 6'2" player, doesn't go from rebounding 3-4 per game for 6 seasons and then suddenly 9 in his 7th (for a full season), doubling his rebounding percentage. It's likely due to the injuries and small sample size. The Celtics are still being outrebounded with him on the court and rebounding that much.

And I'm saying that Ainge would probably laugh in his ear and then hang up the phone.

If we're trading Avery, it's going to be for a star like DeMarcus Cousins or (pipe dream) Anthony Davis, not Jahlil Okafor.

[HartfordWhalers]

virtually every aspect of his game along with his already superb on-ball defence

Hopefully this returns. Its absence is really killing the Celtics this season.

[pasfru]

virtually every aspect of his game along with his already superb on-ball defence

Hopefully this returns. Its absence is really killing the Celtics this season.

?

Not really, no.

[LloydFree]

Since when has rebounding figured all that much into a guard's value?

Avery's improved significantly in terms of his scoring, shooting, ball handling... virtually every aspect of his game along with his already superb on-ball defence not just since last season but as a whole over the last few years.

I know you guys see Jahlil as the #3 pick and he should therefore pull in #3 pick talent, but your front office has literally no say in who or what you're getting back for him or Noel.

From the outside looking in, I think Jahlil is worth Rozier, Zeller and maybe the Celtics 2018 1st round pick, but regardless, we don't have a need for him.

Just something to think about. Not trying to cause any trouble here.

I'll take it! No takesie backsie's

[Kolkmania]

He simply said that he would trade Okafor for him and that he would want BC to inquire. He didn't say anything about the Celtics pov on the matter...

Also, Bradley is playing exceptionally well, but the Westbrook comparison by way of rebounding, it's aberrant and not sustainable. A player, especially a 6'2" player, doesn't go from rebounding 3-4 per game for 6 seasons and then suddenly 9 in his 7th (for a full season), doubling his rebounding percentage. It's likely due to the injuries and small sample size. The Celtics are still being outrebounded with him on the court and rebounding that much.

And I'm saying that Ainge would probably laugh in his ear and then hang up the phone.

If we're trading Avery, it's going to be for a star like DeMarcus Cousins or (pipe dream) Anthony Davis, not Jahlil Okafor.

Not true, he said:
"Heck, I would do Okafor to the Celtics for Avery Bradley right now. Dude is Westbrook-lite. 18 ppg and 9 rpg (which is insane for a 6'2" guard). Fast and strong and only 26 years old, not even fully in his prime yet. "

Who wouldn't do that trade? I sure would. You replied quite confronting with:
"Hahahahahahahahahahaha"

If you really took the time to read through this topic you'd know that we're not delusional about Okafor's value. Well if Anthony Davis is one of the few trading options, you'd better get ready to pay Bradley max money . With Thomas, Bradley and Smart heading towards free agency next year the Celtics have some difficult decisions to make.

[pasfru]

He simply said that he would trade Okafor for him and that he would want BC to inquire. He didn't say anything about the Celtics pov on the matter...

Also, Bradley is playing exceptionally well, but the Westbrook comparison by way of rebounding, it's aberrant and not sustainable. A player, especially a 6'2" player, doesn't go from rebounding 3-4 per game for 6 seasons and then suddenly 9 in his 7th (for a full season), doubling his rebounding percentage. It's likely due to the injuries and small sample size. The Celtics are still being outrebounded with him on the court and rebounding that much.

And I'm saying that Ainge would probably laugh in his ear and then hang up the phone.

If we're trading Avery, it's going to be for a star like DeMarcus Cousins or (pipe dream) Anthony Davis, not Jahlil Okafor.

Not true, he said:
"Heck, I would do Okafor to the Celtics for Avery Bradley right now. Dude is Westbrook-lite. 18 ppg and 9 rpg (which is insane for a 6'2" guard). Fast and strong and only 26 years old, not even fully in his prime yet. "

Who wouldn't do that trade? I sure would. You replied quite confronting with:
"Hahahahahahahahahahaha"

If you really took the time to read through this topic you'd know that we're not delusional about Okafor's value. Well if Anthony Davis is one of the few trading options, you'd better get ready to pay Bradley max money . With Thomas, Bradley and Smart heading towards free agency next year the Celtics have some difficult decisions to make.

Well, "Heck, I'd take even take Avery Bradley" sounds a lot like he thinks you guys are doing the Celtics a favour. Like "Jeez, I'd even settle for the guy that's having an All-Star season and is averaging almost a double-double for this mud foot liability on defence who puts up lower rebounding numbers than the 6'2" guard we're taking off the Celtics' hands!"

IT, Bradley and Smart all don't expire until 2018, so that's two more years of Cousins trade negotiations and Anthony Davis losing in New Orleans to think about. We'll keep these guys and pay them in 2018 if need be, and you keep asking around the league for a Jahlil trade.

I see this discussion isn't really going anywhere, I might as well get out of here before people start getting angry.

[Kolkmania]

And I'm saying that Ainge would probably laugh in his ear and then hang up the phone.

If we're trading Avery, it's going to be for a star like DeMarcus Cousins or (pipe dream) Anthony Davis, not Jahlil Okafor.

Not true, he said:
"Heck, I would do Okafor to the Celtics for Avery Bradley right now. Dude is Westbrook-lite. 18 ppg and 9 rpg (which is insane for a 6'2" guard). Fast and strong and only 26 years old, not even fully in his prime yet. "

Who wouldn't do that trade? I sure would. You replied quite confronting with:
"Hahahahahahahahahahaha"

If you really took the time to read through this topic you'd know that we're not delusional about Okafor's value. Well if Anthony Davis is one of the few trading options, you'd better get ready to pay Bradley max money . With Thomas, Bradley and Smart heading towards free agency next year the Celtics have some difficult decisions to make.

Well, "Heck, I'd take even take Avery Bradley" sounds a lot like he thinks you guys are doing the Celtics a favour. Like "Jeez, I'd even settle for the guy that's having an All-Star season and is averaging almost a double-double for this mud foot liability on defence who puts up lower rebounding numbers than the 6'2" guard we're taking off the Celtics' hands!"

IT, Bradley and Smart all don't expire until 2018, so that's two more years of Cousins trade negotiations and Anthony Davis losing in New Orleans to think about. We'll keep these guys and pay them in 2018 if need be, and you keep asking around the league for a Jahlil trade.

I see this discussion isn't really going anywhere, I might as well get out of here before people start getting angry.

I think the general consensus here is that Okafor's value is nowhere near Bradley's value. You're joining this thread and start lecturing that we should be more open minded, but you probably didn't even made the effort to read through multiple pages.

I meant expiring next season and unfortunately it would be very difficult to pay all of those guys since they are on such bargain contracts now. All three but Smart will probably get max offers and Smart's defensive versatility will boost his potential contract value. Even when the Pelicans end up with the worst record they shouldn't consider trading Davis since he's the kind of player you will be looking for in the draft. They probably would rather reconstruct their entire roster (even FO) than trading a 23 year old superstar locked up until 2020.

[HartfordWhalers]

virtually every aspect of his game along with his already superb on-ball defence

Hopefully this returns. Its absence is really killing the Celtics this season.

?

Not really, no.

His individual defensive stats are all horrible. The team has played horrible defense with him on the court. But if you say Not really, I guess thats compelling too. Just in a not really sort of way.

[HartfordWhalers]

{I'm not a believer in taking a small sample of something positive and treating it like it is a real long term trend while ignoring a simultaneous small sample that is negative.}