Knicks vs. Hawks PG Thread: Solid Goddamn Win

[K_ick_God]

Say what you want about Isola, dude is entertaining.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/carmelo-anthony-knicks-president-divide-making-garden-no-eden-article-1.2881513

The same way Trump is ... i.e., not in a healthy, normal way.

[god shammgod]

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“We talked a lot about what we want to do, how we want to be better,” he said.

It’s unclear what the players talked about during the meeting, but league sources said Courtney Lee and Noah spoke extensively. The guess here is that the offense was one of the topics of conversation. ESPN sources said some New York players expressed displeasure over the triangle offense earlier this month because they feel it doesn't suit their personnel, particularly point guard Rose, who has thrived when using pick-and-rolls.

League sources familiar with the dynamic said the players remained displeased with the triangle as recently as late last week.

One detail that we know about the meeting: the conversation was driven by the players.

kinda interesting

[Rasho Brezec]

True, **** triangle.

[MaseInYourFace]

The press is obsessed with triangle.

[Rotten Apple]

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“We talked a lot about what we want to do, how we want to be better,” he said.

It’s unclear what the players talked about during the meeting, but league sources said Courtney Lee and Noah spoke extensively. The guess here is that the offense was one of the topics of conversation. ESPN sources said some New York players expressed displeasure over the triangle offense earlier this month because they feel it doesn't suit their personnel, particularly point guard Rose, who has thrived when using pick-and-rolls.

League sources familiar with the dynamic said the players remained displeased with the triangle as recently as late last week.

One detail that we know about the meeting: the conversation was driven by the players.

kinda interesting

I get the feeling guys called each other out respectfully and also expressed their desire to play the way that best suits them on both ends.

[Pjax4Prez]

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THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING!!

“We talked a lot about what we want to do, how we want to be better,” he said.

It’s unclear what the players talked about during the meeting, but league sources said Courtney Lee and Noah spoke extensively. The guess here is that the offense was one of the topics of conversation. ESPN sources said some New York players expressed displeasure over the triangle offense earlier this month because they feel it doesn't suit their personnel, particularly point guard Rose, who has thrived when using pick-and-rolls.

League sources familiar with the dynamic said the players remained displeased with the triangle as recently as late last week.

One detail that we know about the meeting: the conversation was driven by the players.

kinda interesting

I get the feeling guys called each other out respectfully and also expressed their desire to play the way that best suits them on both ends.

Low key I think that's the truth. I really hope this defense from last game wasnt only reactionary to the team meeting, a lot of guys looked good out there defensively including Melo and Rose

[Rotten Apple]

kinda interesting

I get the feeling guys called each other out respectfully and also expressed their desire to play the way that best suits them on both ends.

Low key I think that's the truth. I really hope this defense from last game wasnt only reactionary to the team meeting, a lot of guys looked good out there defensively including Melo and Rose

Rose and Melo really stood out defensively. Schroeder did nothing and whoever Melo was on got shut down. There were lapses on inactivity which are understandable but we had a 48 minute focus defensively last night. This has to be the start of something new for this team. They're talented enough to compete with anybody but not talented enough to take nights off like vs Washington.

[god shammgod]

20. New York Knicks
2016-17 record: 6-7
Previous ranking: 26

Phil Jackson offends LeBron James and the two NBA power-brokers who've co-captained Team LeBron for years. Kristaps Porzingis riddles Detroit for 35 points to ever-so-briefly give the Zen Master some relief from the mounting criticism of his reign to date. Then the Knicks, after a team meeting in Phil's presence, beat the Hawks to improve to 6-1 when Derrick Rose scores 15 points or fewer ... compared to 0-6 when D-Rose exceeds 15 points. A wild, wild week, even by MSG standards.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18104098/nba-power-rankings-marc-stein-week-5-rankings

found this interesting. don't care about power rankings but the bit about rose. i wonder if his higher attempts drag us down because of his inefficiency.

[Capn'O]

20. New York Knicks
2016-17 record: 6-7
Previous ranking: 26

Phil Jackson offends LeBron James and the two NBA power-brokers who've co-captained Team LeBron for years. Kristaps Porzingis riddles Detroit for 35 points to ever-so-briefly give the Zen Master some relief from the mounting criticism of his reign to date. Then the Knicks, after a team meeting in Phil's presence, beat the Hawks to improve to 6-1 when Derrick Rose scores 15 points or fewer ... compared to 0-6 when D-Rose exceeds 15 points. A wild, wild week, even by MSG standards.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18104098/nba-power-rankings-marc-stein-week-5-rankings

found this interesting. don't care about power rankings but the bit about rose. i wonder if his higher attempts drag us down because of his inefficiency.

Might be more of an indicator of whether the ball is moving and that all starts with him. Ball movement against Atlanta was great and - no coincidence - I thought it was Rose's best game I've seen yet.

[god shammgod]

20. New York Knicks
2016-17 record: 6-7
Previous ranking: 26

Phil Jackson offends LeBron James and the two NBA power-brokers who've co-captained Team LeBron for years. Kristaps Porzingis riddles Detroit for 35 points to ever-so-briefly give the Zen Master some relief from the mounting criticism of his reign to date. Then the Knicks, after a team meeting in Phil's presence, beat the Hawks to improve to 6-1 when Derrick Rose scores 15 points or fewer ... compared to 0-6 when D-Rose exceeds 15 points. A wild, wild week, even by MSG standards.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18104098/nba-power-rankings-marc-stein-week-5-rankings

found this interesting. don't care about power rankings but the bit about rose. i wonder if his higher attempts drag us down because of his inefficiency.

Might be more of an indicator of whether the ball is moving and that all starts with him. Ball movement against Atlanta was great and - no coincidence - I thought it was Rose's best game I've seen yet.

could be. his personal assist numbers seem to have no correlation to his shot attempts but that doesn't tell the whole story.

[mpharris36]

20. New York Knicks
2016-17 record: 6-7
Previous ranking: 26

Phil Jackson offends LeBron James and the two NBA power-brokers who've co-captained Team LeBron for years. Kristaps Porzingis riddles Detroit for 35 points to ever-so-briefly give the Zen Master some relief from the mounting criticism of his reign to date. Then the Knicks, after a team meeting in Phil's presence, beat the Hawks to improve to 6-1 when Derrick Rose scores 15 points or fewer ... compared to 0-6 when D-Rose exceeds 15 points. A wild, wild week, even by MSG standards.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18104098/nba-power-rankings-marc-stein-week-5-rankings

found this interesting. don't care about power rankings but the bit about rose. i wonder if his higher attempts drag us down because of his inefficiency.

It has to do with him being more of a PG. When he is driving and collapsing the defense and finding the open man we are a dynamic team because we have a lot of guys who thrive in catch and shoot situations. High assist games for rose usually means either Melo or KP are benefiting from it.

Also we usually play well when we face a point guard that doesn't have a combination skill set like shooting and quickness.

For example...we were able to consistently go under the screen on Schroder because you want him too shoot. Same thing with Ish Smith and same thing with Rajon Rondo. Rose is a bigger stronger guard so if he can get under the screen in good position to close off the drive we usually are in good shape.

It's guards like Isiah Thomas, Kyrie Irving, and even George HIll who have outside shots that give us trouble because it forces rose to go over the screen and puts our defense in trouble because a lot of our team are ball watchers and the come in to help on penetration but are simply too far off the recover and close out on the 3 point shooter.

For example Lillard will probably be a really tough matchup for Rose in our next game. I would seriously consider trapping him on every ball screen. Keep mccollum covered and force guys like Harkless, Plumlee, and Ed Davis to beat us. We simply need to get the ball out of lillards hands or he will light us up from deep.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I would be very surprised if a large part of the team meeting was not about defense. That was the big difference last game.

[Capn'O]

^The fact that Noah and Lee were the lead speakers is a good sign, imo. You know it was respectful, level headed, and focused on the right things (defense, ball movement, trust). Perhaps they took on the system of play as well.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Wow, I didn't know that and I'm a big Gangstarr fan. Guru is top 10 favorite for me.

it's mostly the voice.

Watch on YouTube

that album >>>>>>>>>>

when mass appeal dropped i lost my damn mind. still do.

[Jeff Van Gully]

20. New York Knicks
2016-17 record: 6-7
Previous ranking: 26

Phil Jackson offends LeBron James and the two NBA power-brokers who've co-captained Team LeBron for years. Kristaps Porzingis riddles Detroit for 35 points to ever-so-briefly give the Zen Master some relief from the mounting criticism of his reign to date. Then the Knicks, after a team meeting in Phil's presence, beat the Hawks to improve to 6-1 when Derrick Rose scores 15 points or fewer ... compared to 0-6 when D-Rose exceeds 15 points. A wild, wild week, even by MSG standards.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18104098/nba-power-rankings-marc-stein-week-5-rankings

found this interesting. don't care about power rankings but the bit about rose. i wonder if his higher attempts drag us down because of his inefficiency.

It has to do with him being more of a PG. When he is driving and collapsing the defense and finding the open man we are a dynamic team because we have a lot of guys who thrive in catch and shoot situations. High assist games for rose usually means either Melo or KP are benefiting from it.

Also we usually play well when we face a point guard that doesn't have a combination skill set like shooting and quickness.

For example...we were able to consistently go under the screen on Schroder because you want him too shoot. Same thing with Ish Smith and same thing with Rajon Rondo. Rose is a bigger stronger guard so if he can get under the screen in good position to close off the drive we usually are in good shape.

It's guards like Isiah Thomas, Kyrie Irving, and even George HIll who have outside shots that give us trouble because it forces rose to go over the screen and puts our defense in trouble because a lot of our team are ball watchers and the come in to help on penetration but are simply too far off the recover and close out on the 3 point shooter.

For example Lillard will probably be a really tough matchup for Rose in our next game. I would seriously consider trapping him on every ball screen. Keep mccollum covered and force guys like Harkless, Plumlee, and Ed Davis to beat us. We simply need to get the ball out of lillards hands or he will light us up from deep.

i wouldn't do that every time, but i'd show him traps a few times to keep him honest.

problem is when he and CJ start pulling up from steph range and connecting. then, it's a loooooong night.

[Jeff Van Gully]

I would be very surprised if a large part of the team meeting was not about defense. That was the big difference last game.

team gave a damn... and worked together. the team that showed up against ATL is a playoff team and tough out. if that team is who we want to be, we can fugs with that and add pieces.

[Deeeez Knicks]

^The fact that Noah and Lee were the lead speakers is a good sign, imo. You know it was respectful, level headed, and focused on the right things (defense, ball movement, trust). Perhaps they took on the system of play as well.

I still feel like the triangle + ball movement are one in the same. I can't see Phil wanting Rose to pound the rock and take 15+ shots a game. It only makes sense that he acquired Rose and hired hornacek for more of a drive and kick, create for others, push the pace thing in a hybrid offense kind of way. Phil is really trying to adjust, and we certainly are not running fishers offense or any ol school triangle offense that tex would approve of. But we can see there are still issues with stagnation and isos. Not that all isos are bad, but too much is not good and has been an issue.

Basically there had to be a compromise and we saw it last game. Whether it can last and everyone stays happy is the question. Either way, offense will come and go but defense needs to be there every game and still problem #1

[MaseInYourFace]

Some of these dudes in the press really don't know basketball at all and need to be called out on it. Lmao. Also some of the former players too which is alarming to me. The knicks are not running the triangle offense. It is somewhat integrated into the offense but they definitely ain't running a strict triangle offense.

[King of Canada]

it's mostly the voice.

Watch on YouTube

that album >>>>>>>>>>

when mass appeal dropped i lost my damn mind. still do.

Amazing the whole way through. Tons of Guns was always my favourite.

[Iron Mantis]

I would be very surprised if a large part of the team meeting was not about defense. That was the big difference last game.

I am seeing a lot of talk about offense, but the knicks have been losing games on the defensive side more than anything; NBA's worst defense, in fact. Cannot win games that way.

Against the Hawks, starting with Melo on down, the guys came out and played smart, suffocating defense for 4 quarters. Do that nightly and you have a good shot at winning any given night even if you fail to drop 100+ points.

In fact, The only reason we even broke 100 against the Hawks was because of the free money they gave us to close out the game. Far and away, the defense was the difference.