Who's better: Josh Jackson or Andrew Wiggins?

[reanimator]

Josh had a rough first game and a better 2nd game. Has struggled to get any real rythym in the games because of foul trouble. Has been aggressive on defense and gotten some really tricky team fouls against him.

Did show the glimpses tonight against Duke. Started the 2nd half aggressive attacking the rim and got him in a rhythm. A couple great drives, great pull up 3, and great pull-up jumper. Sadly couldn't continue it because of foul trouble. Scored 13 of his 15 in that flurry. Can't wait to see what he does when he's able to stay out of foul trouble.

Big guy to keep an eye on for the 2018 draft is Udoka Azubuike. Legit 6-11 and 280. His showing great potential for only 17 years old. Won't be eligible for the 2017 draft.

Was he known as a very emotional player before college? He was very impressive last night but his emotions definitely ran wild and dictated his court time.

Josh has been known as a passionate player around the D since grade school. It's when he plays his best, too.

[Upperclass]

Like I said.. he plays a lot like Gerald Wallace. Once he gets stronger.. he'll be a truly disruptive force defensively. He has really sharp natural instincts.

[Big_C_KU]

Josh had a rough first game and a better 2nd game. Has struggled to get any real rythym in the games because of foul trouble. Has been aggressive on defense and gotten some really tricky team fouls against him.

Did show the glimpses tonight against Duke. Started the 2nd half aggressive attacking the rim and got him in a rhythm. A couple great drives, great pull up 3, and great pull-up jumper. Sadly couldn't continue it because of foul trouble. Scored 13 of his 15 in that flurry. Can't wait to see what he does when he's able to stay out of foul trouble.

Big guy to keep an eye on for the 2018 draft is Udoka Azubuike. Legit 6-11 and 280. His showing great potential for only 17 years old. Won't be eligible for the 2017 draft.

Was he known as a very emotional player before college? He was very impressive last night but his emotions definitely ran wild and dictated his court time.

Yeah he plays with an edge. That's considered one of his best traits of his game. He has a strong competitive drive. In each of the exhibition games and the 2 games so far he's come out each half aggressive. He doesn't like to lose. Can't pull bush league moments like he did against Amile Jefferson or be too vocal when a bad call goes against him. Needs to reel that in and Self will.

He scored 11 points in basically 5 minutes of action in the 2nd half. I expect to see a lot of scoring flurries from him over the course of the year. Graham and Mason are good enough offensively that they can keep KU in games and winning against good teams. Jackson's abilty to score in a flurry though is what can separate KU from those teams. He can do like we saw last night and get hot and almost singlehandedly push a close game to a double digit lead for KU.

[crazy_me_87]

Had his best Game so far
22/7/3 in 33 Minutes

Overall his per 40 Stats are now at 23ppg 8rpg 3.7apg
Wiggins per 40 was 20.8ppg 7.1rpg 1.9apg
So if Josh keeps this up the "Wiggins as prospect was/is the better Scorer" could even be false.

[Mattya]

Had his best Game so far
22/7/3 in 33 Minutes

Overall his per 40 Stats are now at 23ppg 8rpg 3.7apg
Wiggins per 40 was 20.8ppg 7.1rpg 1.9apg
So if Josh keeps this up the "Wiggins as prospect was/is the better Scorer" could even be false.

Maybe if he weren't a year older than Wiggins in their freshman years.

[EricAnderson]

Wiggins is longer and more athletic.. more upside then Jackson

[crazy_me_87]

Had his best Game so far
22/7/3 in 33 Minutes

Overall his per 40 Stats are now at 23ppg 8rpg 3.7apg
Wiggins per 40 was 20.8ppg 7.1rpg 1.9apg
So if Josh keeps this up the "Wiggins as prospect was/is the better Scorer" could even be false.

Maybe if he weren't a year older than Wiggins in their freshman years.

The Age thing at age 19/20 is a bit overblown.

I gladly take the 20yo Rookie who is a well Rounded Player already on both ends of the Floor over the 19yo Rookie who cant Rebound,Defend or Pass..
Looking at today Wiggins still isnt much better at Rebounding,defending and Passing and he is in year 3.

Andrew is a very good Scorer and not much else. He still can improve and i think he will.
Still age aside at the Freshman stage(not Age!) of their Careers i take Josh easily.

I know beeing older makes Josh seem to have less Upside.. but i would argue his Floor his already higher than Wiggins.

Ceiling/Potential alone does not make an All Time Great.
Fire,Drive,Competitiveness(Intangibles) Are just as important if not more.
Where Andrew still sometimes lacks that mean Edge there is no doubting Joshs drive and Motor. He has that "Give me the damn ball and let me win this Game" look at times. And even in those moments he does not forgets to defend or find the Open teammate.

Josh has alot of things you cant Teach.. Agressiveness,Fire,Drive,Court Vision.

Overall something i noticed is.. i dont know if this Comparison is really that fitting. The more i watch Josh the more his Game is really different from Andrews. Andrew was and is mostly a Straight line driver,Post Player and Foul drawer. With improving Mid Range and 3pt Shot.
Josh uses his handles alot more, has a Pull Up Game and Is overall much more of a Playmaker and Passer.

[Big_C_KU]

JJ showed every aspect of his game last night vs UAB. Came out from the get go aggressive. He attacked the rim not only on straight line drives but with his handle and change of direction. He hit a spot up 3. He hit a pull-up jumper. He used a pick and scored. He used a pick and hit the roll man in stride (problem is KU bigs have terrible hands). He used the pick and hit a 3pt shooter in rythym. Ran the point the final few minutes of the game. Dunked on someone and got fouled and hit the And 1. Jumped the passing lane and got a breakaway dunk. Played great defense.

Last night saw what he can bring to a game and it's a lot of different things. Impacts a game in many ways. Very excited to watch him for hopefully another 35 games in a Jayhawk uniform.

[Mattya]

Had his best Game so far
22/7/3 in 33 Minutes

Overall his per 40 Stats are now at 23ppg 8rpg 3.7apg
Wiggins per 40 was 20.8ppg 7.1rpg 1.9apg
So if Josh keeps this up the "Wiggins as prospect was/is the better Scorer" could even be false.

Maybe if he weren't a year older than Wiggins in their freshman years.

The Age thing at age 19/20 is a bit overblown.

I gladly take the 20yo Rookie who is a well Rounded Player already on both ends of the Floor over the 19yo Rookie who cant Rebound,Defend or Pass..
Looking at today Wiggins still isnt much better at Rebounding,defending and Passing and he is in year 3.

Andrew is a very good Scorer and not much else. He still can improve and i think he will.
Still age aside at the Freshman stage(not Age!) of their Careers i take Josh easily.

I know beeing older makes Josh seem to have less Upside.. but i would argue his Floor his already higher than Wiggins.

Ceiling/Potential alone does not make an All Time Great.
Fire,Drive,Competitiveness(Intangibles) Are just as important if not more.
Where Andrew still sometimes lacks that mean Edge there is no doubting Joshs drive and Motor. He has that "Give me the damn ball and let me win this Game" look at times. And even in those moments he does not forgets to defend or find the Open teammate.

Josh has alot of things you cant Teach.. Agressiveness,Fire,Drive,Court Vision.

Overall something i noticed is.. i dont know if this Comparison is really that fitting. The more i watch Josh the more his Game is really different from Andrews. Andrew was and is mostly a Straight line driver,Post Player and Foul drawer. With improving Mid Range and 3pt Shot.
Josh uses his handles alot more, has a Pull Up Game and Is overall much more of a Playmaker and Passer.

The age this is huge though. That is a year less development in the most important years of a players development. I would be shocked if Jackson was having anywhere near as good of a season if he were in the NBA right now like Wiggins was at the same age. I would need to see much better statistics than Wiggins put up over the course of the entire season if people want to consider him a better prospect.

The fire/drive/"give me the ball" stuff needs to stop with Wiggins at least offensively. If the guy weren't aggressive he wouldn't be producing with this usage especially with how often he is getting to the line. Running a significant majority of the Wolves plays. His off ball defense needs work, but he still shows some really good signs in other areas of defense.

[Marcus]

Maybe if he weren't a year older than Wiggins in their freshman years.

The Age thing at age 19/20 is a bit overblown.

I gladly take the 20yo Rookie who is a well Rounded Player already on both ends of the Floor over the 19yo Rookie who cant Rebound,Defend or Pass..
Looking at today Wiggins still isnt much better at Rebounding,defending and Passing and he is in year 3.

Andrew is a very good Scorer and not much else. He still can improve and i think he will.
Still age aside at the Freshman stage(not Age!) of their Careers i take Josh easily.

I know beeing older makes Josh seem to have less Upside.. but i would argue his Floor his already higher than Wiggins.

Ceiling/Potential alone does not make an All Time Great.
Fire,Drive,Competitiveness(Intangibles) Are just as important if not more.
Where Andrew still sometimes lacks that mean Edge there is no doubting Joshs drive and Motor. He has that "Give me the damn ball and let me win this Game" look at times. And even in those moments he does not forgets to defend or find the Open teammate.

Josh has alot of things you cant Teach.. Agressiveness,Fire,Drive,Court Vision.

Overall something i noticed is.. i dont know if this Comparison is really that fitting. The more i watch Josh the more his Game is really different from Andrews. Andrew was and is mostly a Straight line driver,Post Player and Foul drawer. With improving Mid Range and 3pt Shot.
Josh uses his handles alot more, has a Pull Up Game and Is overall much more of a Playmaker and Passer.

The age this is huge though. That is a year less development in the most important years of a players development. I would be shocked if Jackson was having anywhere near as good of a season if he were in the NBA right now like Wiggins was at the same age. I would need to see much better statistics than Wiggins put up over the course of the entire season if people want to consider him a better prospect.

The fire/drive/"give me the ball" stuff needs to stop with Wiggins at least offensively. If the guy weren't aggressive he wouldn't be producing with this usage especially with how often he is getting to the line. Running a significant majority of the Wolves plays. His off ball defense needs work, but he still shows some really good signs in other areas of defense.

It seems to be an issue for some regarding Josh's age in general and that's fine, to each his own, but in the case of a player having a more complete game than the other to start with especially when the other player doesn't show signs of matching that at the moment I don't see why it's an issue.

It's not a knock on Drew to say Josh has a more complete game. In terms of inflated stats comparatively Josh isn't that kind of player. Drew hit Kansas with the expectation to get buckets, lockdown guys, and make highlight plays. Josh is being given the ball to score, distribute, d-up, and board. More responsibility given to the vaster skillset don't think the age would have mattered.

[Mattya]

The Age thing at age 19/20 is a bit overblown.

I gladly take the 20yo Rookie who is a well Rounded Player already on both ends of the Floor over the 19yo Rookie who cant Rebound,Defend or Pass..
Looking at today Wiggins still isnt much better at Rebounding,defending and Passing and he is in year 3.

Andrew is a very good Scorer and not much else. He still can improve and i think he will.
Still age aside at the Freshman stage(not Age!) of their Careers i take Josh easily.

I know beeing older makes Josh seem to have less Upside.. but i would argue his Floor his already higher than Wiggins.

Ceiling/Potential alone does not make an All Time Great.
Fire,Drive,Competitiveness(Intangibles) Are just as important if not more.
Where Andrew still sometimes lacks that mean Edge there is no doubting Joshs drive and Motor. He has that "Give me the damn ball and let me win this Game" look at times. And even in those moments he does not forgets to defend or find the Open teammate.

Josh has alot of things you cant Teach.. Agressiveness,Fire,Drive,Court Vision.

Overall something i noticed is.. i dont know if this Comparison is really that fitting. The more i watch Josh the more his Game is really different from Andrews. Andrew was and is mostly a Straight line driver,Post Player and Foul drawer. With improving Mid Range and 3pt Shot.
Josh uses his handles alot more, has a Pull Up Game and Is overall much more of a Playmaker and Passer.

The age this is huge though. That is a year less development in the most important years of a players development. I would be shocked if Jackson was having anywhere near as good of a season if he were in the NBA right now like Wiggins was at the same age. I would need to see much better statistics than Wiggins put up over the course of the entire season if people want to consider him a better prospect.

The fire/drive/"give me the ball" stuff needs to stop with Wiggins at least offensively. If the guy weren't aggressive he wouldn't be producing with this usage especially with how often he is getting to the line. Running a significant majority of the Wolves plays. His off ball defense needs work, but he still shows some really good signs in other areas of defense.

It seems to be an issue for some regarding Josh's age in general and that's fine, to each his own, but in the case of a player having a more complete game than the other to start with especially when the other player doesn't show signs of matching that at the moment I don't see why it's an issue.

It's not a knock on Drew to say Josh has a more complete game. In terms of inflated stats comparatively Josh isn't that kind of player. Drew hit Kansas with the expectation to get buckets, lockdown guys, and make highlight plays. Josh is being given the ball to score, distribute, d-up, and board. More responsibility given to the vaster skillset don't think the age would have mattered.

Are you suggesting Wiggins hasn't improved? Wiggins has significantly improved his ball handling and outside shot. He might not be the rebounder and distributor that Jackson is, but I have some doubts that Jackson will be the scorer Wiggins is.

[bigboi]

The age this is huge though. That is a year less development in the most important years of a players development. I would be shocked if Jackson was having anywhere near as good of a season if he were in the NBA right now like Wiggins was at the same age. I would need to see much better statistics than Wiggins put up over the course of the entire season if people want to consider him a better prospect.

The fire/drive/"give me the ball" stuff needs to stop with Wiggins at least offensively. If the guy weren't aggressive he wouldn't be producing with this usage especially with how often he is getting to the line. Running a significant majority of the Wolves plays. His off ball defense needs work, but he still shows some really good signs in other areas of defense.

It seems to be an issue for some regarding Josh's age in general and that's fine, to each his own, but in the case of a player having a more complete game than the other to start with especially when the other player doesn't show signs of matching that at the moment I don't see why it's an issue.

It's not a knock on Drew to say Josh has a more complete game. In terms of inflated stats comparatively Josh isn't that kind of player. Drew hit Kansas with the expectation to get buckets, lockdown guys, and make highlight plays. Josh is being given the ball to score, distribute, d-up, and board. More responsibility given to the vaster skillset don't think the age would have mattered.

Are you suggesting Wiggins hasn't improved? Wiggins has significantly improved his ball handling and outside shot. He might not be the rebounder and distributor that Jackson is, but I have some doubts that Jackson will be the scorer Wiggins is.

Age means zilch. DRose was 20 as a rookie. Jackson will prob end up as just as good of a scorer, even better IMO just off the fact that he dribbles much better. Only reason Jackson hasn't been scoring much is foul trouble, other than that, he's better than Wiggins pretty easily

[Zeitgeister]

Watching Jackson play I see a lot of what I wish I could see from Wiggins but do not. Don't get me wrong, Jackson may never become the scorer that Wiggins is now, there are some questions about his shooting ability for sure. But the guy plays with so much aggression and effort that he actually has to reign it in because he gets in foul trouble. I'd rather that than try to coach a guy up to be more aggressive. Coaches have been telling Wiggins to be more aggressive for awhile and he's definitely aggressive as a scorer but he seems to lack feel and skill in the other areas of the game where aggression would manifest itself. I'm not saying the book is written on Wiggins, I think he can still improve a lot but I just like the baseline set of skills that Jackson has more.

[Marcus]

The age this is huge though. That is a year less development in the most important years of a players development. I would be shocked if Jackson was having anywhere near as good of a season if he were in the NBA right now like Wiggins was at the same age. I would need to see much better statistics than Wiggins put up over the course of the entire season if people want to consider him a better prospect.

The fire/drive/"give me the ball" stuff needs to stop with Wiggins at least offensively. If the guy weren't aggressive he wouldn't be producing with this usage especially with how often he is getting to the line. Running a significant majority of the Wolves plays. His off ball defense needs work, but he still shows some really good signs in other areas of defense.

It seems to be an issue for some regarding Josh's age in general and that's fine, to each his own, but in the case of a player having a more complete game than the other to start with especially when the other player doesn't show signs of matching that at the moment I don't see why it's an issue.

It's not a knock on Drew to say Josh has a more complete game. In terms of inflated stats comparatively Josh isn't that kind of player. Drew hit Kansas with the expectation to get buckets, lockdown guys, and make highlight plays. Josh is being given the ball to score, distribute, d-up, and board. More responsibility given to the vaster skillset don't think the age would have mattered.

Are you suggesting Wiggins hasn't improved? Wiggins has significantly improved his ball handling and outside shot. He might not be the rebounder and distributor that Jackson is, but I have some doubts that Jackson will be the scorer Wiggins is.

Didn't say he hasn't improved I said he doesn't show signs of having as complete a game as Jackson.

[ItsThatEasy]

Based on these first few games I'd take Jackson over Wiggins everyday of the week. He's not as good of a scorer and he's MAYBE a little less athletic but he's better in every other facet of the game. His playmaking is already light years ahead of Wiggins and he has a competitive edge I've yet to see from Wiggins.

[crazy_me_87]

The age this is huge though. That is a year less development in the most important years of a players development. I would be shocked if Jackson was having anywhere near as good of a season if he were in the NBA right now like Wiggins was at the same age. I would need to see much better statistics than Wiggins put up over the course of the entire season if people want to consider him a better prospect.

The fire/drive/"give me the ball" stuff needs to stop with Wiggins at least offensively. If the guy weren't aggressive he wouldn't be producing with this usage especially with how often he is getting to the line. Running a significant majority of the Wolves plays. His off ball defense needs work, but he still shows some really good signs in other areas of defense.

We have to agree to disagree then,

You disregard Experience as a huge factor. Of course Josh now would not put up better numbers as Wigg did in his second NBA Season. But that has not as much to do with talent as it does with getting used to playing in the NBA.


The thing is... Andrew had to be Coached to be more agressive. It is not his nature.
Josh has a special fire and motor on both ends of the floor.

Lets make a completly silly comparison and keep in mind i am not saying anything about Josh becoming even nearly as good as one of those guys i mentioned. I just want to make a point...

In Terms of Raw atletism,jump Shot,Rebounding and beeing younger as Nba Rookie Vince Carter could be viewed as better prospect as MJ. MJ at 20 was the worse Player of the two. We all know who is a propably low level HOFmer(and i say that with alot of respect. Amazing what VC does this season at 39) and the GOAT.
THAT is the difference true fire,motor can make.

Again i am not saying Josh is MJ.. hell no way. But i wanted to show that fire and drive are often THE most important thing to determine how great a Player becomes.

Bird without that fire is a Rich mans Josh Mcroberts
KG without that fire is Anthony Randolph
Kobe without that fire is any of Deshawn Stevenson,Gerald Green,Harold Minor pick one of those "Next MJs"
Dirk without that fire is Andrea Bargniani
Lebron without that fire is a taller Iggy
Then you have guys like Westbrook,AI,Ben Wallace who basically consisted completly from their fire... 2 Maybe all 3 of them would not have made it to the NBA without that fire.

I still rather take a guy who is a year older when entering the NBA with the already much better all around Game who has that fire and drive to not only Play Hard every Game but also work his butt off to become the best Player he can be.

[crazy_me_87]

Watch on YouTube

Newest Game. 15/11/3 on 6/11 Shooting.

Looking at this highlights.. Josh already is pretty darn good off the Ball.

[Chuck Everett]

Yeah, I think you guys are giving Josh Jackson the benefit of the doubt a little too much. He should already be in the NBA. Some of the guys in his "class" are a good 16 months younger. This dude isn't so great that his age doesn't make a difference whatsoever. That doesn't mean he can't be viewed similarly as Wiggins, but I view him more in the sense that he has to go above and beyond his peers, because his peers (Simmons, Ingram, Jaylen Brown, Murray) played last year.

[QRich3]

Lets make a completly silly comparison and keep in mind i am not saying anything about Josh becoming even nearly as good as one of those guys i mentioned. I just want to make a point...

In Terms of Raw atletism,jump Shot,Rebounding and beeing younger as Nba Rookie Vince Carter could be viewed as better prospect as MJ. MJ at 20 was the worse Player of the two. We all know who is a propably low level HOFmer(and i say that with alot of respect. Amazing what VC does this season at 39) and the GOAT.
THAT is the difference true fire,motor can make.

Again i am not saying Josh is MJ.. hell no way. But i wanted to show that fire and drive are often THE most important thing to determine how great a Player becomes.

Bird without that fire is a Rich mans Josh Mcroberts
KG without that fire is Anthony Randolph
Kobe without that fire is any of Deshawn Stevenson,Gerald Green,Harold Minor pick one of those "Next MJs"
Dirk without that fire is Andrea Bargniani
Lebron without that fire is a taller Iggy
Then you have guys like Westbrook,AI,Ben Wallace who basically consisted completly from their fire... 2 Maybe all 3 of them would not have made it to the NBA without that fire.

I still rather take a guy who is a year older when entering the NBA with the already much better all around Game who has that fire and drive to not only Play Hard every Game but also work his butt off to become the best Player he can be.

On the other hand, and following the silly comparison fire and drive are not everything, and guys like Danny Fortson had the fire that Steven Adams doesn't, Trevor Booker has the fire that Lamarcus Aldridge doesn't, MKG has the fire that Kawhi does not, etc. They are all hard working and have a motor, but so does Wiggins, so I'm not sure that'll be what separates him and Jackson.

In any case, I'm excited to see hoy Jackson develops, he's probably my favorite prospect so far from next year's class, somewhere alongside Ball and Smith.

[cksdayoff]

that shot is so ugly. looks even uglier when he's creating his own shot, could be a problem at the next level.

but i like his handles, and his motor, really good slasher. his elevator doesn't go as high as wiggins when he goes in for dunks tho