Game 15: Suns @ Wizards

[AtheJ415]

http://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft

I'm not sure what we should do if Jackson is the guy. Does TJ become a 4? Does Booker try to become the 1 and Jackson the 2?

[WeekapaugGroove]

http://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft

I'm not sure what we should do if Jackson is the guy. Does TJ become a 4? Does Booker try to become the 1 and Jackson the 2?

If jackson is the best guy there you take him. This team is in no position to draft for need. They need impact players.. period

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[WeekapaugGroove]

Second worst in the league. Not bad. Wonder what McD will say on arizonasports this week.

He is gonna say that we are young.

I stopped listening to local radio and switched to podcasts. Is mcd still saying stupid **** like "were only X games back in the loss column"?

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[darealjuice]

I'd hate to miss out on the PGs of this class, but I would still love to see Josh Jackson in a Suns uniform next season. I'm still put off by the release on his jump shot, but he's a top tier athlete and can do a bit of everything on the offensive end while being a high impact player on the defensive end, something we sorely need on this team.

Just look at him put some poor fool on UAB in a poster tonight:

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[bwgood77]

http://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft

I'm not sure what we should do if Jackson is the guy. Does TJ become a 4? Does Booker try to become the 1 and Jackson the 2?

If jackson is the best guy there you take him. This team is in no position to draft for need. They need impact players.. period

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As usual, if we do draft Jackson, he likely won't immediately start over Booker or Warren. I don't even know Jackson's true position but there is too much pressure on rookies to start in general. Eventually if Jackson proved to be better than Warren, he could start, but with all those wings and PFs our depth would be nice.

Part of me wonders it they might hesitate on a PG even if best available because of Ulis and Booker likely thinking he should start. I'm not saying he shouldn't in the future but we will need future depth. I don't mind hanging onto Bledose for now but I really don't see him being a factor on our next great team (if we ever have one).

[AtheJ415]

http://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft

I'm not sure what we should do if Jackson is the guy. Does TJ become a 4? Does Booker try to become the 1 and Jackson the 2?

If jackson is the best guy there you take him. This team is in no position to draft for need. They need impact players.. period

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Was never suggesting not taking him. Just hypothesizing the lineup if he ends up being the pick.

[OnceUponADime]

Anyone else think Booker playing through this injury will hurt his career and in turn, the Suns future?

Reminds me of the Brandon Roy thing where he forced his way back to play and that ended up ending his career with Portland.

Of course Booker's situation isn't even close to being as bad but him playing through this injury isn't good. Booker physically looks worse and worse every game.

I think right now, Booker and Dudley (both have same height) could probably jump the same amount of height and that's not a good thing.

Earl Watson should consider growing a pair and sitting Booker even if the 20 year old Booker thinks he should be out there playing.

Give Ulis/Bender his minutes till he returns when he's actually healthy.

[OnceUponADime]

Second worst in the league. Not bad. Wonder what McD will say on arizonasports this week.

He is gonna say that we are young.

I stopped listening to local radio and switched to podcasts. Is mcd still saying stupid **** like "were only X games back in the loss column"?

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He usually just makes excuses for every loss.

"You know we lost that game because that was a team with a star like ___".

"I like how we competed against them and their an up and coming team like us and had we got a call or two our way then we pull that one out"

"We lost that one and we gave up so many pts and as you guys know we're missing our best defensive player in ___ and that would have made the difference".

Etc.

I don't mind the losses, I expected the losses. Him constantly making excuses for losses rather than just saying "yea we're not doing well but even despite being a young team, we need to find a way to compete and finish these games completely" or something like that is annoying.

The worst part is that Gambo is on McD's **** and never give him any hard questions. It's always the same bs crap.

Arizona media in general is very soft and I think Arizona fans are starting to see that now with Bruce Arians being able to do whatever he wants and not facing any rebuttal from the media for it. Can't imagine it would be the same way in places like Boston, NY, Texas, or any other hardcore sports states.

[NavLDO]

Len seems to be always surprised when the ball gets near his vicinity.... And he panics or goes for it abruptly.
Heck even Mason Plumlee looks more in control... They all play with various speed and energy so they dont look clumsy or shaky.

Len needs a mentor.. A proper mentor who will show him what he's doing wrong and not what he's doing right.

He needs to play with smarts sometimes and not with energy.

I watch Steve Adams and that guy is chilled but on point at the same time. But he rarely makes mistakes or fumbles the ball.

Why is the 'narrative' on Len in almost every game thread one-sided?? I don't doubt that Len has his issues, but declaring him as our 'tank commander' (not you, 1UPZ) over several other players who produce less for us just amazes me.

Len ends up with yet another Dbl-Dbl (and before he's accused of getting his own misses for Rebounds this season like he has, someone please explain then why he has his highest DRB-to-ORB ratio of his career--nearly 3-to-1 @ 5.9-to-2.1--last I checked, it's pretty hard to get your own Rebound on the Defensive side of the Court, but whatever...).

He was 60% from the floor (3/5), 83% FT% (5/6), 3 Blks, 3 Assts, 11 Pts, 10 TRBs. Yet all I see in this thread is how terrible Len played. Again, I don't doubt he has his flaws, but he's hardly the primary reason we are losing. He has improved in almost every category from last season, yet Bledsoe shoots 40% on 25 shots, 33% from 3, has 6 Assts in 40 minutes...as our PG. Has 4 TOs, yet he gets a pass because he shot 29 points?

Again, I'm in no way saying that Len doesn't have his issues, but every time he has a poor play, there's no less than 2 posters slamming Len for that one play, yet no other player comes close to being as derided as Len does in these Game threads. Just amazing...

[carey]

Again, I'm in no way saying that Len doesn't have his issues, but every time he has a poor play, there's no less than 2 posters slamming Len for that one play, yet no other player comes close to being as derided as Len does in these Game threads. Just amazing...

You sure? I'm fairly certain Knight is more loathed around here.

[jcsunsfan]

Again, I'm in no way saying that Len doesn't have his issues, but every time he has a poor play, there's no less than 2 posters slamming Len for that one play, yet no other player comes close to being as derided as Len does in these Game threads. Just amazing...

You sure? I'm fairly certain Knight is more loathed around here.

There always has to be SOMEONE to loathe. Len, Markieff, Frye, Shannon Brown, Beasley, etc, etc.

[NTB]

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2016/11/21/phoenix-suns-fail-to-close-in-loss-to-washington-wizards/94253886/?hootPostID=aa4383e57d40ae5fb5dafb42251ea419

“Our game plan was to make someone else beat us and we didn’t do it,” Suns guard Devin Booker said.

“T.J. puts a lot of pressure on the wings when he runs the floor,” Suns coach Earl Watson said. “He can finish. We don’t have that option with any of our (active) wings. So we have to be a better secondary break team with the ball, attacking the rim, moving the ball side-to-side.”

“That’s what has been killing us down the stretch, plays like that,” Bledsoe said. “We’ve got to have that. We made them take a shot. We’ve got to end up with the rebound. That’s my fault.”

“It was a game we should have won,” Bledsoe said. “We’ve got to do a better job of execution. There are going to be nights when we can’t get out in transition. We can’t let that stop us.”

“It seems like sometimes we have bad spacing or bad flow where we should make an extra pass and don’t,” Suns forward Jared Dudley said. “We shoot a contested shot. Someone cuts into the guy who’s dribbling to get the turnover. We’ve got to work the kinks out. Overall, it should start to get better slowly.”

[bwgood77]

Again, I'm in no way saying that Len doesn't have his issues, but every time he has a poor play, there's no less than 2 posters slamming Len for that one play, yet no other player comes close to being as derided as Len does in these Game threads. Just amazing...

You sure? I'm fairly certain Knight is more loathed around here.

I concur. Len hasn't been playing badly at all lately. He has his weaknesses but mostly just started off slow. Knight messes up team chemistry 95% of the time he's on the floor imo. I don't see too many posters still backing him much. The ones that did have disappeared.

[Zelaznyrules]

I think we blame a lot on Knight and even Bledsoe that isn't solely their fault. In today's NBA you simply can't survive for long if you have even one non-threat out there and we frequently play with 2 or 3. The other teams are able to clog the middle on us because we have so many non-threats which ends up taking away the strength of each of those two guards. Neither player is really capable of initiating offense without dribble penetration. IMO, both of these players would be more successful elsewhere, surrounded by people that aren't Chandler, Tucker, Chriss, Len and Williams (Dudley to a lesser extent).

As for Len, I think he's played much better this season than he did in preseason or last year. There are a few incredible big men in the NBA right now, he isn't one of those few. But the more you watch of most of the other big men the more obvious their flaws become. Most of the suggestions I see here have us replacing one flawed center with another flawed (sometimes, VERY flawed) big man.

[NavLDO]

Again, I'm in no way saying that Len doesn't have his issues, but every time he has a poor play, there's no less than 2 posters slamming Len for that one play, yet no other player comes close to being as derided as Len does in these Game threads. Just amazing...

You sure? I'm fairly certain Knight is more loathed around here.

I concur. Len hasn't been playing badly at all lately. He has his weaknesses but mostly just started off slow. Knight messes up team chemistry 95% of the time he's on the floor imo. I don't see too many posters still backing him much. The ones that did have disappeared.

I challenge you all to look at this game thread and compare the number of negative posts towards Len vs Knight:

Knight: 111111

Len: 11111111111

Nevermind, I just did it for you. From pages 1-8, Len is the Victor with 11 negative posts to 6...so yeah, I'm sure it's Len...every game thread I come into the day after, Len gets torn apart; Knight's just assumed to suck, maybe, and that's why fans don't bother?? IDK, but I DO know Len is NOT the 2nd worst player on this team...he's not the 'tank commander'...and he's done pretty darn well the last several games...overall, but rarely gets the complement, only the negative post when he does something wrong. It's a regular Len 'hatefest' on this forum, and the dude is earning all of what, $4.8M??? If he was making what Bledsoe was making, then I could see it, but Len, dollar for dollar, has outperformed Bledsoe this season...again...DOLLAR for DOLLAR, not straight up, but yet Len get's twice the hate. Whatever, but you should expect this type of comment coming from the Forum's "Defensive Player of the Year"....

[bwgood77]

You sure? I'm fairly certain Knight is more loathed around here.

I concur. Len hasn't been playing badly at all lately. He has his weaknesses but mostly just started off slow. Knight messes up team chemistry 95% of the time he's on the floor imo. I don't see too many posters still backing him much. The ones that did have disappeared.

I challenge you all to look at this game thread and compare the number of negative posts towards Len vs Knight:

Knight: 111111

Len: 11111111111

Nevermind, I just did it for you. From pages 1-8, Len is the Victor with 11 negative posts to 6...so yeah, I'm sure it's Len...every game thread I come into the day after, Len gets torn apart; Knight's just assumed to suck, maybe, and that's why fans don't bother?? IDK, but I DO know Len is NOT the 2nd worst player on this team...he's not the 'tank commander'...and he's done pretty darn well the last several games...overall, but rarely gets the complement, only the negative post when he does something wrong. It's a regular Len 'hatefest' on this forum, and the dude is earning all of what, $4.8M??? If he was making what Bledsoe was making, then I could see it, but Len, dollar for dollar, has outperformed Bledsoe this season...again...DOLLAR for DOLLAR, not straight up, but yet Len get's twice the hate. Whatever, but you should expect this type of comment coming from the Forum's "Defensive Player of the Year"....

OK, you got me in one game thread. But yes, it probably has to do with people having very low expectations for Knight and still have higher expectations for Len.

[carey]

Yes, I don't bother commenting on Knight anymore. My hatred for him is well known.

[Zelaznyrules]

Yeah, I think we're all suffering from Knight burnout. Water is wet, we get it.

[bwgood77]

Len seems to be always surprised when the ball gets near his vicinity.... And he panics or goes for it abruptly.
Heck even Mason Plumlee looks more in control... They all play with various speed and energy so they dont look clumsy or shaky.

Len needs a mentor.. A proper mentor who will show him what he's doing wrong and not what he's doing right.

He needs to play with smarts sometimes and not with energy.

I watch Steve Adams and that guy is chilled but on point at the same time. But he rarely makes mistakes or fumbles the ball.

Why is the 'narrative' on Len in almost every game thread one-sided?? I don't doubt that Len has his issues, but declaring him as our 'tank commander' (not you, 1UPZ) over several other players who produce less for us just amazes me.

Len ends up with yet another Dbl-Dbl (and before he's accused of getting his own misses for Rebounds this season like he has, someone please explain then why he has his highest DRB-to-ORB ratio of his career--nearly 3-to-1 @ 5.9-to-2.1--last I checked, it's pretty hard to get your own Rebound on the Defensive side of the Court, but whatever...).

He was 60% from the floor (3/5), 83% FT% (5/6), 3 Blks, 3 Assts, 11 Pts, 10 TRBs. Yet all I see in this thread is how terrible Len played. Again, I don't doubt he has his flaws, but he's hardly the primary reason we are losing. He has improved in almost every category from last season, yet Bledsoe shoots 40% on 25 shots, 33% from 3, has 6 Assts in 40 minutes...as our PG. Has 4 TOs, yet he gets a pass because he shot 29 points?

Again, I'm in no way saying that Len doesn't have his issues, but every time he has a poor play, there's no less than 2 posters slamming Len for that one play, yet no other player comes close to being as derided as Len does in these Game threads. Just amazing...

One other thing I wanted to mention. The thread of voting of best players of the game and worst players of the game clearly shows that Len was voted as a top 3 player. Not one poster had him in their bottom three, and most obviously not in like their bottom 7 since 10 players played. viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1493263

You should check those if you don't to see who the fans here really thought played well and not so well in each game. You can see here that most just thought he started the season and played really poorly in the first 4 games. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tXguFu1dW7-M4UVEWRGzFeALXMjoPEZe7XRQB8T8Y-4/pubhtml#

[dremill24]

LOL, of all the people to come in and complain about seeing the "same narrative."