Do we need a better Shooting Guard?

[MagicFan4Lyfe]

The bigger question is *IF* we ever get an all star caliber SG or any player for that matter at that level, will Fournier's ego allow him to take a back seat or will he consider himself the #1 option?

I suppose the same thing is happening with Vuc now.... they both are content being #1 scoring options on a losing team instead of a role player on a winning one. Both are gutless losers and we are stuck with them until Hennigan is fired and the new GM cleans up the mess.

Fournier's ranked 54th in attempts and 73rd in front court touches per game. We don't use anyone like a #1 option.

Good point. But he isn't a player to initial the offense... he is more catch and shoot, make cuts off the ball, etc. He is poorly utilized but we don't have any other option.

[drsd]

Do we need a better Small Forward? Yes.

We follow up a "better PG" thread with a "better SG" thread. Neither is Orlando's weakest slot.

What we need is a thread on "Do we need a better Small Forward?" Orlando is losing games because of poor performance, starter and bench, at the SF slot.
Folks: Orlando is awful at SF. Maybe if the Wizards keep losing games Otto Porter Jr. could become available.





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[Catledge]

I don't mind us trying to get more out of Old Man Ibaka and perhaps try to run the offense more through him. Efficient and Fournier don't really go hand in hand.

Fournier's defense is bad and he's been turning it over way too much, but his scoring efficiency isn't really in doubt. This isn't one of those things where you have to go by your gut feeling. The stats people are kind enough to count shots and points for us and arrive at a concrete metric of scoring efficiency. That metric (TS%) shows that Fournier is the second-most efficient starter on the team.

You can hate him all you want and correctly criticize him for other aspects of his game, but the evidence is clear: Fournier is an efficient scorer.

[MagicFan4Lyfe]

I don't mind us trying to get more out of Old Man Ibaka and perhaps try to run the offense more through him. Efficient and Fournier don't really go hand in hand.

Fournier's defense is bad and he's been turning it over way too much, but his scoring efficiency isn't really in doubt. This isn't one of those things where you have to go by your gut feeling. The stats people are kind enough to count shots and points for us and arrive at a concrete metric of scoring efficiency. That metric (TS%) shows that Fournier is the second-most efficient starter on the team.

You can hate him all you want and correctly criticize him for other aspects of his game, but the evidence is clear: Fournier is an efficient scorer.

But is he an efficient NBA starter?

[PennytoShaq]

Afflalo doesn't even average 10 points a game now. Trading him for Evan was a no brainer.

I'm not saying it was a bad trade. I'm not even comparing who Afflalo is now to who Fournier is now. I'm simply pointing out that the player we traded was comparable to the one we have at this point. Read into that whatever you wish to. The perception of Fournier's abilities is largely attributable to the free rein he has enjoyed in our offense. Afflalo looked much more attractive when he enjoyed such privileges in his time here. I personally wouldn't consider such a player above consideration when it comes to exploring avenues to improvement.

I agree. The entire team is probably open for trade, but I do think that we could best build around Evan/Ibaka and Biz as starters.

Also Afflalo was not nearly as efficient as Fournier, even with Fournier's weaker shooting this season. AA was a ball stopper and a midrange jumper guy. People who think Evan is a ball hog don't remember how bad AA was.

[Blue_and_Whte]

It's a fair question.

If the Fournier we have seen thus far ends up being the Fournier we see all season, then yes, we definitely need a new SG. But if this turns out to be a funk that he busts out of, and he goes on to be a slight improvement on the player he was last year, then I think that would be something that we could live with.

A similar statement can be made about Vooch. I think their situation is different from Payton and Gordon, who need to achieve a new level that they have never previously demonstrated over the course a season.

Jeff Green, on the other hand, seems to be an all-around dumpster fire beyond hope.

Hes in a slump just like Vucevic. The law of averages will prevail. The OP is just being childish. Obviously if you replace Fournier with a better sg we'd be better, the difference is that the list is smaller. We could replace Elf with CJ Watson and stay on the same trajectory.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Afflalo doesn't even average 10 points a game now. Trading him for Evan was a no brainer.

I'm not saying it was a bad trade. I'm not even comparing who Afflalo is now to who Fournier is now. I'm simply pointing out that the player we traded was comparable to the one we have at this point. Read into that whatever you wish to. The perception of Fournier's abilities is largely attributable to the free rein he has enjoyed in our offense. Afflalo looked much more attractive when he enjoyed such privileges in his time here. I personally wouldn't consider such a player above consideration when it comes to exploring avenues to improvement.

I agree. The entire team is probably open for trade, but I do think that we could best build around Evan/Ibaka and Biz as starters.

Also Afflalo was not nearly as efficient as Fournier, even with Fournier's weaker shooting this season. AA was a ball stopper and a midrange jumper guy. People who think Evan is a ball hog don't remember how bad AA was.

IF we have better shooters around them. If they want to start Biz then imo payton needs to sit and they should start AG at SF.

IMO DJ (Watson) / Fournier / AG / Ibaka / Biz is a good mix of offense/defense.

[cedric76]

Do we need a better Small Forward? Yes.

We follow up a "better PG" thread with a "better SG" thread. Neither is Orlando's weakest slot.

What we need is a thread on "Do we need a better Small Forward?" Orlando is losing games because of poor performance, starter and bench, at the SF slot.
Folks: Orlando is awful at SF. Maybe if the Wizards keep losing games Otto Porter Jr. could become available.





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Go figure, this board is mad and impatient, we are gonna be a great defensive team and make the playoff this year

Go magic

[axl_c_cool]

The problem we have is we start 2 6th men and run our offence through them in Vucevic and Fournier. We are also stunting Gordon's growth at SF and Biyombo on the bench. What we ideally need is to move Vucevic and Fournier to the bench and trade one of Biyombo and Ibaka for a quality starting SF and Start Mario. Maybe something like


Orlando sends: Ibaka+Meeks+Watson

Sacramento sends: Gay+WCS+McLemore


Sacramento will look to see what they can get for Rudy Gay, a chance at Ibaka (I think he'll resign wherever he is) to partner Cousins, a guard (they need one) and cap relief with Meeks. We are in the same situation but at the position we need, Biyombo steps in and is the rim protector we needed, WCS protects Vucevic, and Mclemore maybe comes in to back up Hezonja if we move Fournier to 3, Green could be used to free cap, out of the rotation, or cut.


Payton/DJ
Hezonja/Mclemore
Gay/Fournier
Gordon/WCS
Biyombo/Vucevic


That rotation has more balance, the first unit has a go to scorer, Mario should be open more with Gay looking to score, and Gordon can develop at 4 where he should as a 2nd option, we'll also hopefully play some nice team basketball. The 2nd unit has lots of scoring in it and some good defence with Green, we will mix and max lineups but I think that's the sort of trade out there that would make sense

[MagicFan4Lyfe]

Jeff Turner: "buckets are really hard to come by in the early going"

No, JT....Buckets are really hard to come by ALL GAME, ALL SEASON.

[simon24]

The problem we have is we start 2 6th men and run our offence through them in Vucevic and Fournier. We are also stunting Gordon's growth at SF and Biyombo on the bench. What we ideally need is to move Vucevic and Fournier to the bench and trade one of Biyombo and Ibaka for a quality starting SF and Start Mario. Maybe something like


Orlando sends: Ibaka+Meeks+Watson

Sacramento sends: Gay+WCS+McLemore


Sacramento will look to see what they can get for Rudy Gay, a chance at Ibaka (I think he'll resign wherever he is) to partner Cousins, a guard (they need one) and cap relief with Meeks. We are in the same situation but at the position we need, Biyombo steps in and is the rim protector we needed, WCS protects Vucevic, and Mclemore maybe comes in to back up Hezonja if we move Fournier to 3, Green could be used to free cap, out of the rotation, or cut.


Payton/DJ
Hezonja/Mclemore
Gay/Fournier
Gordon/WCS
Biyombo/Vucevic


That rotation has more balance, the first unit has a go to scorer, Mario should be open more with Gay looking to score, and Gordon can develop at 4 where he should as a 2nd option, we'll also hopefully play some nice team basketball. The 2nd unit has lots of scoring in it and some good defence with Green, we will mix and max lineups but I think that's the sort of trade out there that would make sense

I doubt SAC trades Gay now that they're playing well with him at the 4. Maybe ORL could get Jared Dudley since PHX look like they're rebuilding.

[axl_c_cool]

The problem we have is we start 2 6th men and run our offence through them in Vucevic and Fournier. We are also stunting Gordon's growth at SF and Biyombo on the bench. What we ideally need is to move Vucevic and Fournier to the bench and trade one of Biyombo and Ibaka for a quality starting SF and Start Mario. Maybe something like


Orlando sends: Ibaka+Meeks+Watson

Sacramento sends: Gay+WCS+McLemore


Sacramento will look to see what they can get for Rudy Gay, a chance at Ibaka (I think he'll resign wherever he is) to partner Cousins, a guard (they need one) and cap relief with Meeks. We are in the same situation but at the position we need, Biyombo steps in and is the rim protector we needed, WCS protects Vucevic, and Mclemore maybe comes in to back up Hezonja if we move Fournier to 3, Green could be used to free cap, out of the rotation, or cut.


Payton/DJ
Hezonja/Mclemore
Gay/Fournier
Gordon/WCS
Biyombo/Vucevic


That rotation has more balance, the first unit has a go to scorer, Mario should be open more with Gay looking to score, and Gordon can develop at 4 where he should as a 2nd option, we'll also hopefully play some nice team basketball. The 2nd unit has lots of scoring in it and some good defence with Green, we will mix and max lineups but I think that's the sort of trade out there that would make sense

I doubt SAC trades Gay now that they're playing well with him at the 4. Maybe ORL could get Jared Dudley since PHX look like they're rebuilding.

He's a free agent, that's the only reason I think he's attainable, we need to do something

[Optimus_Steel]

Other than Biz, DJ, Vogel, and maybe Ibaka we need a better everything lol.

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