The (Where Ainges Fear to) Trade Thread, 2016-17 (1.0)

[Andrew McCeltic]

It sounds like Noel is a far more likely trade candidate than Holmes is.

Do you think Noel to Boston still a possibility? Thanks

I do, but only if Philadelphia lowers their demands.

Do you know what they've asked for?

[Smitty731]

Do you think Noel to Boston still a possibility? Thanks

I do, but only if Philadelphia lowers their demands.

Do you know what they've asked for?

Still looking for a pick and a player was the last word. But that was months ago. Not sure if things have changed since Noel has been out so far this year.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Does James Young and a non-Brooklyn 1st get it done?

[OFWGKTA]

Does James Young and a non-Brooklyn 1st get it done?

lol no chance

[rickrolled]

I want Amir and/or Jerebko out of here, either for Rudy Gay or Noel. Get it done Ainge.

[Andrew McCeltic]

I mean I'm asking if teams mean a player and a pick literally, like a body and a pick, or a real player, a rotation player and a pick.

[jrob23]

Does James Young and a non-Brooklyn 1st get it done?

lol no chance

right? people really need to stop with the Jame Young and a 2019 first for established big men. Nobody, including the Celtics, want James Young. The only reason he is on the team is because Danny is embarrassed by the pick and his inability to replace him these past couple of years so he's trying to justify him being on the team.

[Roddy]

I could understand if Ainge put Avery in a deal for a big (like Cousins).
The next draft is full of quality guards and we really need a big if we want to win.
So something like Avery / Crowder / Young and a 1st for Cousins.

Josh Jackson, Markelle Fultz or Malik Monk could fit next year.

[mlloyd10]

Doesn't a Monroe for Johnson/Jerebko trade just make sense for both?

[SmartWentCrazy]

Doesn't a Monroe for Johnson/Jerebko trade just make sense for both?

No. If Monroe agreed to opt out, maybe, but there's just no way they can risk max FA space on Greg Monroe.

Edit- Amir is probably better than Monroe too. Firm pass for us.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Does James Young and a non-Brooklyn 1st get it done?

lol no chance

right? people really need to stop with the Jame Young and a 2019 first for established big men. Nobody, including the Celtics, want James Young. The only reason he is on the team is because Danny is embarrassed by the pick and his inability to replace him these past couple of years so he's trying to justify him being on the team.

Come on, he had a great game a week or two ago and everyone was up his ass. He's fine. He's still a good prospect- a better one now that he's matured. His floor is being Gerald Green caliber- takes awhile to get it, uneven, but becomes a useful bench scorer. Those guys are easy to get, but he has the potential to be better than that.

It probably won't happen here, may not happen at all. But this board loves to write off young players, it's happened with Avery, Smart, Rozier. Meanwhile a lot of you believed in Sullinger without any hesitation.

You kind of have to stay in the uncertainty of not knowing how young players are going to turn out in order to gauge their chances. Writing people off, or writing them a blank check, can color your perceptions.

/Maybe the whole league does think Young is a POS, I don't know. And Dion Waiters has had fourteen chances and still struggles.

I'm old enough to remember the 2001 draft, how long it took the players in it to develop, how many surprised and disappointed. The younger a draft pick is, the more often they exceed expectations.

[Ed Pinkney]

Do people think Milwaukee would be committed to Jabari Parker long term? Seems if you are going to build around an offense based on Giannis as a point forward you need a lot of shooting to allow him to operate.

[24istheLAW]

lol no chance

right? people really need to stop with the Jame Young and a 2019 first for established big men. Nobody, including the Celtics, want James Young. The only reason he is on the team is because Danny is embarrassed by the pick and his inability to replace him these past couple of years so he's trying to justify him being on the team.

Come on, he had a great game a week or two ago and everyone was up his ass. He's fine. He's still a good prospect- a better one now that he's matured. His floor is being Gerald Green caliber- takes awhile to get it, uneven, but becomes a useful bench scorer. Those guys are easy to get, but he has the potential to be better than that.

It probably won't happen here, may not happen at all. But this board loves to write off young players, it's happened with Avery, Smart, Rozier. Meanwhile a lot of you believed in Sullinger without any hesitation.

You kind of have to stay in the uncertainty of not knowing how young players are going to turn out in order to gauge their chances. Writing people off, or writing them a blank check, can color your perceptions.

/Maybe the whole league does think Young is a POS, I don't know. And Dion Waiters has had fourteen chances and still struggles.

I'm old enough to remember the 2001 draft, how long it took the players in it to develop, how many surprised and disappointed. The younger a draft pick is, the more often they exceed expectations.

His floor isn't being Gerald Green caliber though. You are projecting a transition onto him that some other similarly young, similarly talented, and similarly immature prospects have made in their careers. His floor is what he is now - not on the court.

No one is saying JY can't have an NBA career, he certainly can. But the point is that his trade value isn't tied to what he can be, it's tied to what he will most likely be. Right now that is not much.

It's not giving up on him to acknowledge he won't fetch anything in a trade. Hell, that's why he's on the roster, even though his value is low there's no reward to getting rid of him so we might as well hold on and see what happens.

[Andrew McCeltic]

His trade value is a different question than whether we're 'embarrassed by the pick', which is hyperbolic. It wasn't great, Rodney Hood, Clint Capela, Jordan Clarkson, Gary Harris all went later. Bigger issue is if we don't trade Olynyk, let him go in the off-season, and then wasted a pick on him that could have been Giannis.

[No-Man]

When Zeller can be traded, 14th of Jan I'd love for the Mavs to trade Bogut for Zeller+Young+maybe Nader's rights or a 2nd round, what do you think about that?

[SmartWentCrazy]

When Zeller can be traded, 14th of Jan I'd love for the Mavs to trade Bogut for Zeller+Young+maybe Nader's rights or a 2nd round, what do you think about that?

I think you'd have a deal.

[Curmudgeon]

When Zeller can be traded, 14th of Jan I'd love for the Mavs to trade Bogut for Zeller+Young+maybe Nader's rights or a 2nd round, what do you think about that?

Sure, but Dallas wouldn't. Cuban has said no tank until after game 70. I'd ask for Zeller + Nader, Demetrius Jackson and a non-Brooklyn first in any event.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Do people think Milwaukee would be committed to Jabari Parker long term? Seems if you are going to build around an offense based on Giannis as a point forward you need a lot of shooting to allow him to operate.

Yes. We'll see what happens, but Giannis/Jabari remind me of Pierce/Walker 15 years ago- uniquely talented, a quirky fit, but enough for them to have a puncher's chance a lot of nights.

Could revisit if we have a high pick again in the draft..

[Andrew McCeltic]

And btw, Parker is averaging almost 20 a game this season and shooting 38 percent so far from three..

[SmartWentCrazy]

Milwaukee isn't trading Parker.