2016-17 Rookie Watch thread

Cantabile · Post #461 » by **Cantabile** » Thu Nov 24, 2016 3:46 am

Jamal Murray is that dude.

Pelicans screwed up big time picking Hield over him

Post #462 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Nov 24, 2016 3:48 am

TheTrooper wrote:Dragan Bender is not really productive on O, but I can see him as a legit DPOY candidate in few years.

He has BARELY gotten any minutes. He is relegated to spotting up in the corner, but he hit his only 3 pt attempt tonight...one time got another pass out there, a guy closed out so he dribbled like he was going to score and made a great pass (used to be a PG before a growth spurt).

Then after one rebound he took it all the way down the floor (great ball handler) and took it in for a layup but put it up a little hard, so it missed.

He just really hasn't had much opportunity on offense yet.

Defensively super impressive...his blocks and length disrupt everything. Very quick with lateral movement and switching on perimeter too where that length is very hard to shoot over.

TooBad · Post #463 » by **TooBad** » Thu Nov 24, 2016 4:39 am

How good can this guy be? and 2) what were the six GM's before Denver smoking when they passed on him? The kid is only 19 years old and is already looking better than certain all stars in this league.

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Green89 · Post #464 » by **Green89** » Thu Nov 24, 2016 5:01 am

He's looking a lot better than Dunn thus far. Boston was very interested in him but ultimately chose Brown. I would not go as far as saying he's looking better than any all stars (like who??) but he's strung together some really good games.

Alonzo_Morning · Post #465 » by **Alonzo_Morning** » Thu Nov 24, 2016 5:02 am

Can't believe we took Buddy instead smh

Post #466 » by **Duke4life831** » Thu Nov 24, 2016 5:12 am

I think he has a limit to his potential. But when hes on the dude can really light it up. I think he ends up being the next Jamal Crawford. Will be best coming off the bench and being a guy with an ultra green light.

vi3t · Post #467 » by **vi3t** » Thu Nov 24, 2016 5:42 am

which all stars has he looked better than u wot??

Post #468 » by **zimpy27** » Thu Nov 24, 2016 5:49 am

Duke4life831 wrote:I think he has a limit to his potential. But when hes on the dude can really light it up. I think he ends up being the next Jamal Crawford. Will be best coming off the bench and being a guy with an ultra green light.

He looks more like Kyrie with poorer handles and better defense. Obviously not as good.

Chuck Everett · Post #469 » by **Chuck Everett** » Thu Nov 24, 2016 5:54 am

He can really shoot. The question will be how he deals with being scouted. In the long-term though, his value is that he can play alongside Mudiay, even though they are both point guards, because of their size. I have seen enough to definitively admit he's better than Dante Exum.

Nuggets_Talk · Post #470 » by **Nuggets_Talk** » Thu Nov 24, 2016 5:56 am

I'm not saying he should have gone 1 overall but so far he definitely looks like he should have gone higher than 7

RRFB · Post #471 » by **RRFB** » Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:04 am

I wouldn't say he's already better than some all-stars, but he's been really impressive lately after a rough start. He's a confident kid that can shoot the lights out and score in a few different ways.

It's no wonder the Nuggets coveted him so highly going into the draft, he's exactly what they need. It's been a while since they've had a guy who can shoot like this.

510TWSS · Post #472 » by **510TWSS** » Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:09 am

Like they said in the Chicago game, kid is a shot maker. Really like him, will look forward to see how he progresses.

Post #473 » by **Reeko** » Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:18 am

Really glad to see him turning it out around now after that really rough start to the season. He was by far my favourite player heading into the draft, the leadership and poise he showed playing for Canada as an 18 yr old in the Pan Ams was incredible. In my opinion he could be the second coming of Brandon Roy.

Post #474 » by **Duke4life831** » Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:32 am

zimpy27 wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:I think he has a limit to his potential. But when hes on the dude can really light it up. I think he ends up being the next Jamal Crawford. Will be best coming off the bench and being a guy with an ultra green light.

He looks more like Kyrie with poorer handles and better defense. Obviously not as good.

I dont see it. I even dont think hes defense is any better than Kyrie's, Murray is pretty bad on that side. The reason I say Crawford is when Murray is on he can really fill it up quick. He has good enough handles unlike a Hield where he can create his own shot. The thing though is when his jumper is not falling he really brings nothing else to the game.

And im not saying the Crawford thing as a negative, Crawford especially in his prime was putting up 20/5 or 19/4. I just dont see high potential with him, has average to below average athleticism for an NBA 2, and average to below measurements for an NBA 2. Hes a lights out shooter with a solid handle where he can create for himself. I dont see an all star with him but definitely a good offensive role player like Crawford.

Chuck Everett · Post #475 » by **Chuck Everett** » Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:43 am

Duke4life831 wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:I think he has a limit to his potential. But when hes on the dude can really light it up. I think he ends up being the next Jamal Crawford. Will be best coming off the bench and being a guy with an ultra green light.

He looks more like Kyrie with poorer handles and better defense. Obviously not as good.

I dont see it. I even dont think hes defense is any better than Kyrie's, Murray is pretty bad on that side. The reason I say Crawford is when Murray is on he can really fill it up quick. He has good enough handles unlike a Hield where he can create his own shot. The thing though is when his jumper is not falling he really brings nothing else to the game.

And im not saying the Crawford thing as a negative, Crawford especially in his prime was putting up 20/5 or 19/4. I just dont see high potential with him, has average to below average athleticism for an NBA 2, and average to below measurements for an NBA 2. Hes a lights out shooter with a solid handle where he can create for himself. I dont see an all star with him but definitely a good offensive role player like Crawford.

Jamal Murray's long-term position is point guard though. Before Kentucky, that's all he ever played. The fact that he can play with Mudiay, Harris (when healthy), Barton, etc... helps, because Murray can always guard the lesser backcourt scorer. If during his rookie year or 2nd year, he's only a sixth man scorer, that's not a bad place to be.

I mean I like Elfrid Payton, but I'd rather have Jamal Murray than him and he's been starting now for three years. Murray can definitely be a starting point guard in this league. Dellavedova, Payton, Darren Collison are starting for goodness sake.

eagereyez · Post #476 » by **eagereyez** » Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:48 am

Chuck Everett wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
He looks more like Kyrie with poorer handles and better defense. Obviously not as good.

I dont see it. I even dont think hes defense is any better than Kyrie's, Murray is pretty bad on that side. The reason I say Crawford is when Murray is on he can really fill it up quick. He has good enough handles unlike a Hield where he can create his own shot. The thing though is when his jumper is not falling he really brings nothing else to the game.

And im not saying the Crawford thing as a negative, Crawford especially in his prime was putting up 20/5 or 19/4. I just dont see high potential with him, has average to below average athleticism for an NBA 2, and average to below measurements for an NBA 2. Hes a lights out shooter with a solid handle where he can create for himself. I dont see an all star with him but definitely a good offensive role player like Crawford.

Jamal Murray's long-term position is point guard though. Before Kentucky, that's all he ever played. The fact that he can play with Mudiay, Harris (when healthy), Barton, etc... helps, because Murray can always guard the lesser backcourt scorer. If during his rookie year or 2nd year, he's only a sixth man scorer, that's not a bad place to be.

I mean I like Elfrid Payton, but I'd rather have Jamal Murray than him and he's been starting now for three years. Murray can definitely be a starting point guard in this league. Dellavedova, Payton, Darren Collison are starting for goodness sake.

Murray has also stated in interviews that he still considers himself a PG. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how much his passing develops. If he can become a 5-6 ast type of player like Bledsoe or Conley, then his value bumps up considerably.

Post #477 » by **Duke4life831** » Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:51 am

Chuck Everett wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
He looks more like Kyrie with poorer handles and better defense. Obviously not as good.

I dont see it. I even dont think hes defense is any better than Kyrie's, Murray is pretty bad on that side. The reason I say Crawford is when Murray is on he can really fill it up quick. He has good enough handles unlike a Hield where he can create his own shot. The thing though is when his jumper is not falling he really brings nothing else to the game.

And im not saying the Crawford thing as a negative, Crawford especially in his prime was putting up 20/5 or 19/4. I just dont see high potential with him, has average to below average athleticism for an NBA 2, and average to below measurements for an NBA 2. Hes a lights out shooter with a solid handle where he can create for himself. I dont see an all star with him but definitely a good offensive role player like Crawford.

Jamal Murray's long-term position is point guard though. Before Kentucky, that's all he ever played. The fact that he can play with Mudiay, Harris (when healthy), Barton, etc... helps, because Murray can always guard the lesser backcourt scorer. If during his rookie year or 2nd year, he's only a sixth man scorer, that's not a bad place to be.

I mean I like Elfrid Payton, but I'd rather have Jamal Murray than him and he's been starting now for three years. Murray can definitely be a starting point guard in this league. Dellavedova, Payton, Darren Collison are starting for goodness sake.

Thats why I dont see him with that high of potential because I dont see him being a PG. I know he played PG in high school and international ball but I dont see him as a NBA PG. Hes not a natural facilitator and he wont be able to guard PGs on defense. I think the best thing for him is just having him be a gunner. Give him a green light, and tell him when he gets the ball look to score. I dont see a facilitator and I dont see a guy that can guard a PG.

I dont want it to seem like I dont like him as a prospect, I just see a scorer, not much else from him.

Nuggets_Talk · Post #478 » by **Nuggets_Talk** » Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:54 am

It's hard to trust a duke guys opinion on a Kentucky player

Tigersrule · Post #479 » by **Tigersrule** » Thu Nov 24, 2016 7:08 am

Like John Calipari said...hes the best player in this draft and should go number 1...I honestly was not expecting him to drop all the way down to 7.

Post #480 » by **zimpy27** » Thu Nov 24, 2016 7:15 am

Duke4life831 wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:I think he has a limit to his potential. But when hes on the dude can really light it up. I think he ends up being the next Jamal Crawford. Will be best coming off the bench and being a guy with an ultra green light.

He looks more like Kyrie with poorer handles and better defense. Obviously not as good.

I dont see it. I even dont think hes defense is any better than Kyrie's, Murray is pretty bad on that side. The reason I say Crawford is when Murray is on he can really fill it up quick. He has good enough handles unlike a Hield where he can create his own shot. The thing though is when his jumper is not falling he really brings nothing else to the game.

And im not saying the Crawford thing as a negative, Crawford especially in his prime was putting up 20/5 or 19/4. I just dont see high potential with him, has average to below average athleticism for an NBA 2, and average to below measurements for an NBA 2. Hes a lights out shooter with a solid handle where he can create for himself. I dont see an all star with him but definitely a good offensive role player like Crawford.

Well he is a better defender than Kyrie and he is a PG in the same style as Kyrie. He is much more efficient than Crawford, his rookie year average so far is a full .100 points higher than Crawford's rookie year. In fact Crawford only had a ts% better than Murray has right now in 7 out of 17 seasons.

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