OT - Trump

[Toddl18]

Hillary got 2 million more votes than Trump, still counting. And the election is January 19. Trump can keep on picking extremists for key positions and urging foreign leaders to help out his businesses, if he keeps it up don't be surprised if the electoral college decides to elect a sane republican like Kasich.

I don't understand the point here. Both multi-million $ campaigns were run with the idea in mind that everything works with electoral votes. If it was the popular vote, both campaigns would have been run differently. This is why the entire petition of putting Hillary in charge with 4 or 5 million brats in adult bodies is hysterical. Maybe they should go to universities and colleges, there is safe spaces for all those who are deluded and don't want live in the real world.

The idea that Trump could have persuaded 2 million more voters to vote for him if he wanted to is pretty hilarious.

Anyway if the electoral college decides to do what's constitutionally allowed and put a sane president in office instead of President Nero, maybe then we'll see who the brats who need a safe space are, eh

Moot point because Bill Clinton advised both Hillary Clinton and campaign leads to target rust belt instead of places like texas. They ignored and didn't address jobs other than sighting Obamas half plan that abandoned the majority of American. The Democratic party and Clinton lost this election and the blame should only be pointed towards them. The current state of affairs only points to how bad decision making it was. Take off the partisan glass and compare Hilary to any former president outside of 2 she would be the worst choice of any other ones.

The whole situation shows how out of touch that they were in regards to decision making. Any less troubled candidates would have won easily against her. You can't alienate people like that and in doing so they put the party in a possible split.

[mos_def]

I have a feeling Trump avoids a war at all cost.

Do you know the background of his Sec of State ad NSA? m not going to say he is dropping a bomb come January 21st, but if someone looks at them weird they are sending some drones.

To be truthful, they teach you in politics that war in general that war in general is good for the economy. Look at all the money Dick Chaney's company made after the Gulf War

[Toddl18]

this feels unrealistic. you expected them to tackle your full wishlist in those two years? and you expected them to be able to go "all the way" on proper health care insurance with such a tenuous majority?

The healthcare plan was never passed/put in place with the intention of it succeeding long term it wasn't viable and numbers they should in advance that it would ultimately come crashing down. One of the major reason why was the overall added concessions and extensions that aren't health care related that needed to be added to get the required votes, it would have been hard to garner the support and time in regards to getting it done before his term was up. The second and bigger issue about it was the fact that the bill was meant to lay waste to the current structure in order to get the single player option that would have been impossible to maintain otherwise.

You can tell that this bill was past by lobbyist, government and clue contributors by the way it was setup. They didn't do anything to eliminate some of the trials and consequences of a broken system the one and only redeeming quality that build had was the pre-existing conditioning law everything up to and after that was horrible. This bill is so horrendous that it actually caused doctors to seek practicing because of how it was structured and the hassle that go with it.

[Black Jack]

The best thing for American crybabies at this point is a full dose of right wing class warfare on the bottom 99.99%. Tax cuts for billionaires, several more hot wars, cyanide in little Jimmy's drinking water, another big market crash, and the same people braying about libruls will come running back to mama. It never fails.

The neoconservatives are a problem but that line of thought is completely illogical simply because hilary was the more warmongering out of all participants.

I agree Hillary's record of war-mongering was and is obscene. She never saw a war she didn't like. That's why I supported Bernie in the primaries.

That said, Bush Jr. campaigned in 2000 on a humble foreign policy and we see how that turned out. I judge these politicians by their advisors. By that measure, we're gonna get some major fireworks in the next 4 years.

[Black Jack]

this feels unrealistic. you expected them to tackle your full wishlist in those two years? and you expected them to be able to go "all the way" on proper health care insurance with such a tenuous majority?

The healthcare plan was never passed/put in place with the intention of it succeeding long term it wasn't viable and numbers they should in advance that it would ultimately come crashing down. One of the major reason why was the overall added concessions and extensions that aren't health care related that needed to be added to get the required votes, it would have been hard to garner the support and time in regards to getting it done before his term was up. The second and bigger issue about it was the fact that the bill was meant to lay waste to the current structure in order to get the single player option that would have been impossible to maintain otherwise.

You can tell that this bill was past by lobbyist, government and clue contributors by the way it was setup. They didn't do anything to eliminate some of the trials and consequences of a broken system the one and only redeeming quality that build had was the pre-existing conditioning law everything up to and after that was horrible. This bill is so horrendous that it actually caused doctors to seek practicing because of how it was structured and the hassle that go with it.

During Bush's second term the corporations were complaining that healthcare was hurting their profits. Obamacare was a big bailout / handout to Pharma and HMOs at one trillion $ for each over ten years (IIRC). And it was designed to let companies offload their employee insurance burden onto the government subsidized exchanges. It was a corporate welfare bill that also helped some of the uninsured and uninsurable at the cost of raising costs for the middle class.

Lets stop being silly and yelling names like Obama this, Hillary that when it comes to this stuff. Like you said, this is pure corporate lobbyist written and designed governance. Designing real healthcare isn't hard, every rich country in the world does it, and you can do it socialist like the UK / France / Canada or you can do it free-market like say Switzerland, who has a private system but it's regulated.

The real bottom line here is we have a failed system of governance.

[wco81]

The ACA did improve the longterm prospects of Medicare in the two years it's been in effect.

And there were big premium increases before the ACA and there will be afterwards.

Even people with insurance through work are paying more and/or seeing their out of pocket expenses go up.

[turk3d]

Here's how Trump may have really won the election:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/22/politics/jared-kushner-donald-trump-campaign/?iid=ob_lockedrail_bottomlist

[yesh]

The healthcare plan was never passed/put in place with the intention of it succeeding long term it wasn't viable and numbers they should in advance that it would ultimately come crashing down. One of the major reason why was the overall added concessions and extensions that aren't health care related that needed to be added to get the required votes, it would have been hard to garner the support and time in regards to getting it done before his term was up. The second and bigger issue about it was the fact that the bill was meant to lay waste to the current structure in order to get the single player option that would have been impossible to maintain otherwise.

You can tell that this bill was past by lobbyist, government and clue contributors by the way it was setup. They didn't do anything to eliminate some of the trials and consequences of a broken system the one and only redeeming quality that build had was the pre-existing conditioning law everything up to and after that was horrible. This bill is so horrendous that it actually caused doctors to seek practicing because of how it was structured and the hassle that go with it.

During Bush's second term the corporations were complaining that healthcare was hurting their profits. Obamacare was a big bailout / handout to Pharma and HMOs at one trillion $ for each over ten years (IIRC). And it was designed to let companies offload their employee insurance burden onto the government subsidized exchanges. It was a corporate welfare bill that also helped some of the uninsured and uninsurable at the cost of raising costs for the middle class.

Lets stop being silly and yelling names like Obama this, Hillary that when it comes to this stuff. Like you said, this is pure corporate lobbyist written and designed governance. Designing real healthcare isn't hard, every rich country in the world does it, and you can do it socialist like the UK / France / Canada or you can do it free-market like say Switzerland, who has a private system but it's regulated.

The real bottom line here is we have a failed system of governance.

Prior to the aca, medical expense was the biggest cause of bankruptcy in the US. Healthcare was a giveaway because it's a right wing plan. The insane right has forced the the discussion to lerch rightward, and how weak the left has become to allow it.

[Toddl18]

The best thing for American crybabies at this point is a full dose of right wing class warfare on the bottom 99.99%. Tax cuts for billionaires, several more hot wars, cyanide in little Jimmy's drinking water, another big market crash, and the same people braying about libruls will come running back to mama. It never fails.

The neoconservatives are a problem but that line of thought is completely illogical simply because hilary was the more warmongering out of all participants.

I agree Hillary's record of war-mongering was and is obscene. She never saw a war she didn't like. That's why I supported Bernie in the primaries.

That said, Bush Jr. campaigned in 2000 on a humble foreign policy and we see how that turned out. I judge these politicians by their advisors. By that measure, we're gonna get some major fireworks in the next 4 years.

Very valid points and the scariest part of it is the fact that it is the easiest way to grow the economy by declaring war. Its sickening the amount of drone/cruise missle strikes we've had in the last few decades. Bush jrs foreign policy was just horrible and really think a case could have been made for Cheney, Rumsfeild and him getting tried for crimes against humanity. We have been in the start a conflict then sell both sides weaponry for profit for such a long time.

[Toddl18]

The real bottom line here is we have a failed system of governance.

That is the exact reason why we have Trump for president simply because it let everyone down. The only winners right now are the politicians and lobbyists. Till we handle those nothing and no one will matter because it will be more of the same.

[Mylie10]

The real bottom line here is we have a failed system of governance.

That is the exact reason why we have Trump for president simply because it let everyone down. The only winners right now are the politicians and lobbyists. Till we handle those nothing and no one will matter because it will be more of the same.

Exactly. And that's why guys like Mitch McConnell and Nancy Pelosi are so hated. It kills me that they keep winning elections. Status quo means more money in their pockets and less governance for the country.

I can go left or right depending on the issue. I just can't stand these do nothing politicians. And you are right that a ton of people are tired of it as well.

Hillary seemed to be amongst the status quo, so there's still a ton of people who were voting for that, and it just makes me scratch my head.

[Black Jack]

Vocab word of the day kiddies:

e·mol·u·ment
iˈmälyəmənt/

Bush's ethics lawyer explains: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/former-bush-counsel-electoral-college-cant-vote-for-trump-if-hes-in-violation-of-constitution/

[wco81]

The real bottom line here is we have a failed system of governance.

That is the exact reason why we have Trump for president simply because it let everyone down. The only winners right now are the politicians and lobbyists. Till we handle those nothing and no one will matter because it will be more of the same.

Exactly. And that's why guys like Mitch McConnell and Nancy Pelosi are so hated. It kills me that they keep winning elections. Status quo means more money in their pockets and less governance for the country.

I can go left or right depending on the issue. I just can't stand these do nothing politicians. And you are right that a ton of people are tired of it as well.

Hillary seemed to be amongst the status quo, so there's still a ton of people who were voting for that, and it just makes me scratch my head.

Trump is going to let types like McConnell, Ryan and other establishment GOP do whatever they want. He'll be lazy about policy so he'll sign most things they put in front of him, if the alternative is for him to study the issues a little bit.

Already he stopped taking intelligence briefings because he doesn't want to get bogged down with details. So Pence has been taking them and is also picking the cabinet.

Pence is tight with Ryan, as is Priebus. Those are the guys who will be running the country.

[old rem]

The real bottom line here is we have a failed system of governance.

That is the exact reason why we have Trump for president simply because it let everyone down. The only winners right now are the politicians and lobbyists. Till we handle those nothing and no one will matter because it will be more of the same.

Exactly. And that's why guys like Mitch McConnell and Nancy Pelosi are so hated. It kills me that they keep winning elections. Status quo means more money in their pockets and less governance for the country.

I can go left or right depending on the issue. I just can't stand these do nothing politicians. And you are right that a ton of people are tired of it as well.

Hillary seemed to be amongst the status quo, so there's still a ton of people who were voting for that, and it just makes me scratch my head.

With a Dem President and a Teabag congress gridlock is about inevitable. the cure? Bring in the CLOWNS... have a sociopath who's clueless in charge appointing wingnuts. what can go wrong? Sell out to Putin ? What could go wrong? Watch the President of the US try to SCAM $ off his position, watch Neo Fascists and theocrats divvy up the spoils. We ain't even left the station and the BADNESS is already STUNNING. I DO see it as a YUUUGE political ENEMA though....... VERY messy, stinky, but it WILL PURGE the nasty Trumpists and teabags. Eventually having TRIED stoopid as HELL..... our cornfed cousins MIGHT decide to NOT Fck it up next time.

[Mylie10]

How do you really feel Oldie? Lol...relax buddy

[FNQ]

Vocab word of the day kiddies:

e·mol·u·ment
iˈmälyəmənt/

Bush's ethics lawyer explains: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/former-bush-counsel-electoral-college-cant-vote-for-trump-if-hes-in-violation-of-constitution/

We'll all be a lot better off if we stop grasping at straws. Fact is that if for some weird reason the election results were overturned, the chaos would be immense and it would be for a candidate that doesn't exactly inspire.

[mos_def]

Vocab word of the day kiddies:

e·mol·u·ment
iˈmälyəmənt/

Bush's ethics lawyer explains: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/former-bush-counsel-electoral-college-cant-vote-for-trump-if-hes-in-violation-of-constitution/

We'll all be a lot better off if we stop grasping at straws. Fact is that if for some weird reason the election results were overturned, the chaos would be immense and it would be for a candidate that doesn't exactly inspire.

Exactly.

Even if a majority of the Electoral College decide to vote for another candidate, no one still is going to get to 270 - thus Paul Ryan picks it. Its Trump. There is a loooooooong shot its Pence cuz he is your standard conservative GOP. Either way, it screws up the country socially cuz the GOP voters would be angry (and they have the guns), it messes up the government cuz another President will pick another cabinet unless its Pence, and it probably messes up the economy. The Dow is booming with infrastructure stocks. Word gets out that there is not a clear President, the stock market crashes...but I don't think the liberal millennials know that or care about it.

So to close, any way to by-pass Trump messes up the country socially, economically and politically. Im not backing keeping Trump cuz I really like him. The country was polled that they didn't like either candidates at around 60%. Im backing Trump cuz all these diversion ways to get Trump out of office hurts the country.

[FNQ]

The real bottom line here is we have a failed system of governance.

That is the exact reason why we have Trump for president simply because it let everyone down. The only winners right now are the politicians and lobbyists. Till we handle those nothing and no one will matter because it will be more of the same.

Exactly. And that's why guys like Mitch McConnell and Nancy Pelosi are so hated. It kills me that they keep winning elections. Status quo means more money in their pockets and less governance for the country.

I can go left or right depending on the issue. I just can't stand these do nothing politicians. And you are right that a ton of people are tired of it as well.

Hillary seemed to be amongst the status quo, so there's still a ton of people who were voting for that, and it just makes me scratch my head.

She - and Trump, fwiw - probably got a lot of votes because of straight-ticket voting (ie party loyalty). There's likely a significant chunk of people who didnt see any debates, know very little about whats going on around them, but they see D, they check the box. They see R, they check the box. They are so jaded that they don't believe politics will ever improve their life.. and if we keep electing people like the ones we have in charge currently, they're right.

I hate straight ticket voters more than anything, more than non-voters.. people who put their thumbs on the scale with no idea what they are impacting. I had a cousin who voted yes on 8 (the gay marriage bill a few cycles back) because he was a Republican, and the site that encouraged straight-ticket voting told him to.

BTW, he's gay and openly hated how much the government opposed gay marriage. I debated whether or not to smack all of the stupid out of him but I only plan on living another 50 years, so I walked away

[Mylie10]

lol

[Black Jack]

Vocab word of the day kiddies:

e·mol·u·ment
iˈmälyəmənt/

Bush's ethics lawyer explains: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/former-bush-counsel-electoral-college-cant-vote-for-trump-if-hes-in-violation-of-constitution/

We'll all be a lot better off if we stop grasping at straws. Fact is that if for some weird reason the election results were overturned, the chaos would be immense and it would be for a candidate that doesn't exactly inspire.

Exactly.

Even if a majority of the Electoral College decide to vote for another candidate, no one still is going to get to 270 - thus Paul Ryan picks it. Its Trump. There is a loooooooong shot its Pence cuz he is your standard conservative GOP. Either way, it screws up the country socially cuz the GOP voters would be angry (and they have the guns), it messes up the government cuz another President will pick another cabinet unless its Pence, and it probably messes up the economy. The Dow is booming with infrastructure stocks. Word gets out that there is not a clear President, the stock market crashes...but I don't think the liberal millennials know that or care about it.

So to close, any way to by-pass Trump messes up the country socially, economically and politically. Im not backing keeping Trump cuz I really like him. The country was polled that they didn't like either candidates at around 60%. Im backing Trump cuz all these diversion ways to get Trump out of office hurts the country.

The GOP is so far right now that Pence is a standard conservative Pence is a religious nutcase*, he should be the fringe not the center. No wonder real live nazis are coming out of the woodworks and feel legitimized.

I've seen this coming for awhile now. The US political system has been moving further and further right. Either we somehow pull back or things will get really ugly, quick.

* some info on Pence: https://www.democracynow.org/2016/11/21/jeremy_scahill_mike_pence_has_militant