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Re: The best short term solution 

Post#181 » by axl_c_cool » Wed Nov 16, 2016 2:21 pm

Orlwillbeback wrote:I'd love to get a nice asset for Vuc but I doubt we could. IMO Vic's ideal role is as a 6th or 7th man off bench, post presence who can come in and provide offense, Like Al Jeff is now for the Pacers.



I love Vucevic off the bench, that's how we improve our offence, bring him, Fournier, and Augustine off the bench and there's a ton of options on the pick and role. Then we need to get a team offence with the starters
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Re: The best short term solution 

Post#182 » by OrlandoDream » Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:23 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:Why do you guys dislike Vucevic so much?

He's softer then tissue paper and plays no defense. If he isn't scoring, he's useless.


You most definitely are not watching the games.

I've watched all but one game. I'm sorry but I'm done with Vuc. Biz will be starting over him at some point if the offense doesn't pick up. Vuc has to be injured. Just rest him and let him come back healthy bc right now he isn't contributing much but then again not many players are.
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Re: The best short term solution 

Post#183 » by BadMofoPimp » Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:52 pm

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OrlandoDream wrote:He's softer then tissue paper and plays no defense. If he isn't scoring, he's useless.


You most definitely are not watching the games.


Vuc is good, he's gotten tougher on defense. I would not say he is useless if he isn't scoring. The issue is we have 3 big men who could start, 1 has to go so we can get a better fit at SF in the SL.

I prefer the skillset of Biyombo at C, a center in my mind should only worry about dominating in the paint and he can be that guy. Vucevic has an easy to move contract but I am not giving him up for another brandon jennings or illyasova. We need to get high quality in return for him if we are to trade him.


The problem with trading away Vooch is that Bizmark gets in foul trouble and half the time, he won't last 30 minutes as a starter in a long season. Magic need a solid backup. Vooch is cheap at $12 as a back or a starter. Unless packaged with another player for a solid starter or star talent, I prefer not to trade Vooch.

This team already cannot score and people think that trading arguably their best scorer will actually help this team?
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Re: The best short term solution 

Post#184 » by Mauro Pedrosa » Wed Nov 16, 2016 10:36 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:
Tayswagzzz wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:
You most definitely are not watching the games.


Vuc is good, he's gotten tougher on defense. I would not say he is useless if he isn't scoring. The issue is we have 3 big men who could start, 1 has to go so we can get a better fit at SF in the SL.

I prefer the skillset of Biyombo at C, a center in my mind should only worry about dominating in the paint and he can be that guy. Vucevic has an easy to move contract but I am not giving him up for another brandon jennings or illyasova. We need to get high quality in return for him if we are to trade him.


The problem with trading away Vooch is that Bizmark gets in foul trouble and half the time, he won't last 30 minutes as a starter in a long season. Magic need a solid backup. Vooch is cheap at $12 as a back or a starter. Unless packaged with another player for a solid starter or star talent, I prefer not to trade Vooch.

This team already cannot score and people think that trading arguably their best scorer will actually help this team?


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Re: The best short term solution 

Post#185 » by sportsrock37 » Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:08 am

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Tayswagzzz wrote:
Vuc is good, he's gotten tougher on defense. I would not say he is useless if he isn't scoring. The issue is we have 3 big men who could start, 1 has to go so we can get a better fit at SF in the SL.

I prefer the skillset of Biyombo at C, a center in my mind should only worry about dominating in the paint and he can be that guy. Vucevic has an easy to move contract but I am not giving him up for another brandon jennings or illyasova. We need to get high quality in return for him if we are to trade him.


The problem with trading away Vooch is that Bizmark gets in foul trouble and half the time, he won't last 30 minutes as a starter in a long season. Magic need a solid backup. Vooch is cheap at $12 as a back or a starter. Unless packaged with another player for a solid starter or star talent, I prefer not to trade Vooch.

This team already cannot score and people think that trading arguably their best scorer will actually help this team?


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Re: The best short term solution 

Post#186 » by OrlandoDream » Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:08 am

BadMofoPimp wrote:
Tayswagzzz wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:
You most definitely are not watching the games.


Vuc is good, he's gotten tougher on defense. I would not say he is useless if he isn't scoring. The issue is we have 3 big men who could start, 1 has to go so we can get a better fit at SF in the SL.

I prefer the skillset of Biyombo at C, a center in my mind should only worry about dominating in the paint and he can be that guy. Vucevic has an easy to move contract but I am not giving him up for another brandon jennings or illyasova. We need to get high quality in return for him if we are to trade him.


The problem with trading away Vooch is that Bizmark gets in foul trouble and half the time, he won't last 30 minutes as a starter in a long season. Magic need a solid backup. Vooch is cheap at $12 as a back or a starter. Unless packaged with another player for a solid starter or star talent, I prefer not to trade Vooch.

This team already cannot score and people think that trading arguably their best scorer will actually help this team?
That's why I don't see us trading him or Fournier. We need their scoring in these lack of offense team. I don't see us trading him unless it's for a SF or player that will significantly help us and I don't think those players will be available to us via trade. This is the team we put together and we have to stick to it now. Wait u til the offseason to load up. Hayward on 2017 or PG13 in 2018.
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Re: The best short term solution 

Post#187 » by BadMofoPimp » Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:11 am

Mauro Pedrosa wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:
Tayswagzzz wrote:
Vuc is good, he's gotten tougher on defense. I would not say he is useless if he isn't scoring. The issue is we have 3 big men who could start, 1 has to go so we can get a better fit at SF in the SL.

I prefer the skillset of Biyombo at C, a center in my mind should only worry about dominating in the paint and he can be that guy. Vucevic has an easy to move contract but I am not giving him up for another brandon jennings or illyasova. We need to get high quality in return for him if we are to trade him.


The problem with trading away Vooch is that Bizmark gets in foul trouble and half the time, he won't last 30 minutes as a starter in a long season. Magic need a solid backup. Vooch is cheap at $12 as a back or a starter. Unless packaged with another player for a solid starter or star talent, I prefer not to trade Vooch.

This team already cannot score and people think that trading arguably their best scorer will actually help this team?


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Re: The best short term solution 

Post#188 » by Rumncoke25 » Thu Nov 17, 2016 3:07 am

craig01 wrote:
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Rumncoke25 wrote:Yea, I would rather give all our projects 30+ minutes and see what we got, than keep relying on Uncle JG and dj, and win 36 games instead of 26. Take the lumps, evaluate talent CORRECTLY, and make a real change in the offseason.


I do not agree. Orlando must win games.

Offensive performance is lacking. Giving 40 mpg to Gordon and Hezonja is not likely to equal wins.

WIN NOW!

How? Well clearly the roster needs a shuffle.




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I agree.

WIN NOW!



I respect that opinion. I just don't think the vets get us an additional 10-15 wins to get us in that 5-7 spot honestly. I would rather not make the playoffs AND know we need to move on from the picks we have, than get smoked 4 times by the cave, and still be having debates over Mario/Elf/AG

Caveat- if we can make a trade to upgrade the roster I'm for it. I was merely speaking about what we currently have.
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Re: The best short term solution 

Post#189 » by Orlwillbeback » Thu Nov 24, 2016 11:10 am

How many assists a game did Brandon Knight average for the Bucks before he was traded? Between 5 and 6.

How many assists a game does Payton average this season? Between 5 and 6.

Hmm.....
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Re: The best short term solution 

Post#190 » by drsd » Thu Nov 24, 2016 1:34 pm

Can we please, please, focus on how awful Orlando's SF depth chart is ?????


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Re: The best short term solution 

Post#191 » by Orlwillbeback » Thu Nov 24, 2016 8:15 pm

drsd wrote:Can we please, please, focus on how awful Orlando's SF depth chart is ?????


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It's all related dude. The point guard is the most important position on the floor. If you have a good pg, that is more important than the sf position.
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Re: The best short term solution 

Post#192 » by drsd » Thu Nov 24, 2016 8:18 pm

Orlwillbeback wrote:It's all related dude. The point guard is the most important position on the floor. If you have a good pg, that is more important than the sf position.



And I believe that Orlando has an above-average PG. So all is great there.




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Re: The best short term solution 

Post#193 » by Orlwillbeback » Thu Nov 24, 2016 8:19 pm

drsd wrote:
Orlwillbeback wrote:It's all related dude. The point guard is the most important position on the floor. If you have a good pg, that is more important than the sf position.



And I believe that Orlando has an above-average PG. So all is great there.




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