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Re: Hornets PG Thread: Melo With The Game-Winner! 

Post#461 » by dakomish23 » Sat Nov 26, 2016 2:34 pm

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If he can manage those numbers for the rest of the season, there is not a whole lot more we can ask from him.

I guess my only concern would be if we still need more scoring from him to match up with the Cavs and Warriors, teams with 3 20+ ppg scorers. We'll just have to cross that bridge when we get there.


To be honest, the above is all I expect from him this year and I figured that and the any semblance of being able to penetrate that we got would put the Knicks miles ahead of last year in terms of PG play. So far, that's true.


I'd love it if he could finally hit the open man on the PnR instead of doing the skip pass to his safety blanket Lee
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Post#463 » by Im Coming Home » Sat Nov 26, 2016 2:39 pm

Alright so.. we've had 3 wins, 3 different OPs for the Game threads, who is taking the chance for tonight's and making that GT?
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Re: Hornets PG Thread: Melo With The Game-Winner! 

Post#464 » by god shammgod » Sat Nov 26, 2016 2:53 pm

Im Coming Home wrote:Alright so.. we've had 3 wins, 3 different OPs for the Game threads, who is taking the chance for tonight's and making that GT?


its already up top
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Off topic, but the action is here right now. If Casspi is truly being shopped, if the Knicks could get him, would you do it? Does he solve the backup PF slot in anyway? Does he add anything that Kuz doesn't, besides being another euro who moves the ball? My recollection of Casspi is that of a tall SF and we seem to have enough guys to hold down SF (Melo, Kuz, CLee, Holiday)
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Re: Hornets PG Thread: Melo With The Game-Winner! 

Post#466 » by Im Coming Home » Sat Nov 26, 2016 2:58 pm

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Im Coming Home wrote:Alright so.. we've had 3 wins, 3 different OPs for the Game threads, who is taking the chance for tonight's and making that GT?


its already up top

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Re: Hornets PG Thread: Melo With The Game-Winner! 

Post#467 » by j4remi » Sat Nov 26, 2016 3:00 pm

I've tried to make a running theme the past few weeks about the Knicks needing to find consistency above all else and I think it's safe to say that they've found a level of consistency at home. The Hornets came in with that same desperate effort that a couple of teams amidst losing streaks have hit us on the road, but the Knicks stepped up (same as with Portland). This was a game where for huge chunks the typical second scorers were MIA; Rose struggling from the field and KP struggling with fouls...but role players stepped up so that an absolute superstar performance from Melo wasn't wasted. The next step is to maintain this on the road and it'd be great if they could start tonight because a win tonight would put them a game back from the elite Eastern Conference teams (besides Cleveland) as the quarter point of the season approaches. It's too early to overhype records, but setting a strong pace early could be key with a squad where we worry about injuries and fatigue.

Rose: Struggled with his scoring for a big chunk of game and wasn't the best playmaker for chunks at a time either but none of that mattered because he turned in yet another great defensive effort against a top PG in this league (Kemba this season has been amazing). Rose gave us 16, 5 and 3; but his impact was more about outplaying Kemba and coming through in the clutch. It really is incredible to see how often he can bulldog PG's in isolation and still elevate in the paint. His defense over the past couple weeks has been beyond admirable.

Lee: 4-10; 12 points 2 assists, 2 boards and 2 steals; solid effort but nothing more. Not sure if it was bro science but my buddy mentioned that tape on his forearm and how it's kinda like reinforcing tendons and ligaments for support and soreness...so I immediately wondered if the struggles with his jumper are something to do with him hurting. Regardless, he wasn't bad but wasn't good either.

Melo: He combined this season's benchmarks of efficiency with last season's elevated effort on defense and the boards. At every point in the night, it was Melo and "whoever else is feeling it right now." The Hornets couldn't find an answer either, because Melo took doubles and turned them into assists to Willy and KP. 35, 13 boards, 5 assists, 2 steals and an emphatic block. It couldn't have come at a better time either.

KP: The bad was obvious, for a good chunk of the first three quarters KP couldn't stay on the floor. It wasn't bad foul calling, the kid picked up bad fouls and it meant the Knicks weren't able to rely on him for much early. The fourth quarter saw him trying to get a rhythm which meant less efficient play than recently, but his offense was still strong. Dude strung together some threes and offensive boards for the offense. On defense, even after fighting foul trouble for three quarters, he blocked a 7 footer driving with a full head of steam...then did the same thing to ANOTHER 7 footer in the OT. 16, 8, 2 with 3 blocks to boot; and that was a weak game compared to recent efforts.

Noah: He actually turned in some buckets when the Hornets left him alone and his effort on the boards was good; but dude looked like he was just getting over the flu. We're talking Tyson Chandler in the playoffs that one year status. I'm giving him a pass for laboring, he's been ill and I respect the effort because there were times when he looked like he might pass out but he never stopped working.

BJ: BJ lost minutes in this one because the Knicks couldn't go double PG against the big SG's that Charlotte puts out there. Still, it's always fun to watch this dude completely reset a play just so he can get KP involved. It happens damn near every time. 3, 3 and 3; didn't shoot well but didn't force anything and he played solid back-up ball which like KP is actually a weak game relative to his recent output.

Holiday: He looked poised for a big one when he first came in but didn't seem to get it back after he hurt his shoulder. He still put up a nice solid all around effort. 9 points in 16 minutes but he had more trouble with screens than usual.

Kuz: Kuz couldn't get the ball in the basket and yet it kinda didn't matter. His entry in the third quarter corresponded with a run where he picked off two batted passes to spark breaks then grabbed an offensive rebound and assist to Melo for 3. If Willy's tip in didn't get called back, Kuz would have been the catalyst for three possessions that sparked an 8 point swing; instead he settled for a 6 point swing. He doesn't log a ton of offensive boards, but watch how often he's in the mix and tipping that joint so we still have a chance at the rock...that's a low key fun bit of his game.

Kylo: He was an unsung hero in that first quarter. He came in and got after boards, denied shots at the rim, knocked down a couple of jumpers and made some nifty passes. The passing quality stuck all game but the scoring and defense tailed off to back-up level output. But he was good for 8,3,3 and 2 in a game where we needed contributions.

Willy: There are periods of games where you think "he's so poised" and then others like the TO's and three point play late where you're going "oh yea...definitely a rookie." If the ball's in the air, he's after it. If someone is driving, he's chasing them. His vision is good and his post play is solid to boot. 6,9 and 2 but lord knows those TO's gotta get trimmed down. We didn't have a first round pick this draft but still came away with an exciting rookie to watch develop thanks to Clarence Gaines and Phil doing work last year.

Sasha: Came in for four minutes and did no harm...I'll take it.

Jeff: More active and vocal on the sidelines lately; he's trusting guys like Willy and Kuz more; he's staggering the units more often...This was a game where KP couldn't stay out there; Noah was dying out there and Rose was struggling with his scoring for the better part of the game. But he got a first quarter spark from KOQ; second quarter work from Holiday and Willy; then a third quarter jump from Kuz who all fed off of Melo's great play. That's what you need on nights like this. Really great job, especially compared to Clifford who I really felt got out coached.

Random: Everything about tonight's match up scares me. Desperate team, on the road and we're on a back to back...I know this plot and I'm praying for a twist.

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Re: Hornets PG Thread: Melo With The Game-Winner! 

Post#468 » by whocares1 » Sat Nov 26, 2016 3:04 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:Off topic, but the action is here right now. If Casspi is truly being shopped, if the Knicks could get him, would you do it? Does he solve the backup PF slot in anyway? Does he add anything that Kuz doesn't, besides being another euro who moves the ball? My recollection of Casspi is that of a tall SF and we seem to have enough guys to hold down SF (Melo, Kuz, CLee, Holiday)


Casspi is better than Kuz. I don't think we have the ability to work a trade though. Casspi is making 2+ million and there aren't any pieces the Knicks would be willing to give up to match that. He would be a really good backup.
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Post#469 » by Dr. Detfink » Sat Nov 26, 2016 3:07 pm

During previous seasons this would be the kind of game where fans look at the match ups on paper and say, "The Knicks should win this game." and the Knicks would go out and under perform.

After 15 games, the New York Knicks are finally 1 game over .500.

Now, I'm never encouraged by the fact that the highest paid player had to play 41 minutes and take 25 shots in order post a "W" in OT. The Knicks are not playing Houston, Toronto, or Cleveland. That said, so long as Melo's Frankenstein legs are fine I feel cautiously optimistic.

What is somewhat disturbing, how many minutes the Knicks $17M per season man is playing. Noah made it through 18 minutes. While I like watching "Hercules" Hernangomez running around on the court like a newborn baby, squealing and arms/legs waving, it can't be good that it's this early and Noah has THREE more seasons on this contract.

Dear Phil, next time third year TEAM Option! And stop with your stank ego, giving a player every thing when he comes to your door during the off season.

Noah is Amar'e part 2.

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Queens, NY native Roy Hibbert is now the back up Center on Charlotte averaging 6/3.6/0.7 essentially paid $5M to be a dishwasher. Another local boy legend.

Think that's bad?

Point Guard Ramon Sessions has had more jobs than a 7-11 worker. He's been on 10 teams in 9 seasons. He's being back $6M to be the back up PG averaging 5/3.5.

Both of these clowns were players that teams in this forum hoped that the Knicks signed. Turns out, the Knicks are just fine without them.
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Re: Hornets PG Thread: Melo With The Game-Winner! 

Post#470 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Nov 26, 2016 3:08 pm

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thebuzzardman wrote:Off topic, but the action is here right now. If Casspi is truly being shopped, if the Knicks could get him, would you do it? Does he solve the backup PF slot in anyway? Does he add anything that Kuz doesn't, besides being another euro who moves the ball? My recollection of Casspi is that of a tall SF and we seem to have enough guys to hold down SF (Melo, Kuz, CLee, Holiday)


Casspi is better than Kuz. I don't think we have the ability to work a trade though. Casspi is making 2+ million and there aren't any pieces the Knicks would be willing to give up to match that. He would be a really good backup.


Yeah, he's better than Kuz for sure. He's what we'd like Kuz to become. Casspi is cheap and I think someone mentioned expiring, so I don't think there is a match. This is a case where I'd surrender a 2nd rounder to get it done, but again, don't see the pieces lining up.
Lance is more money at more years for less player, so unless they just want be rid of Casspi, don't see it.
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Re: Hornets PG Thread: Melo With The Game-Winner! 

Post#471 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Nov 26, 2016 3:09 pm

Dr. Detfink wrote:During previous seasons this would be the kind of game where fans look at the match ups on paper and say, "The Knicks should win this game." and the Knicks would go out and under perform.

After 15 games, the New York Knicks are finally 1 game over .500.

Now, I'm never encouraged by the fact that the highest paid player had to play 41 minutes and take 25 shots in order post a "W" in OT. The Knicks are not playing Houston, Toronto, or Cleveland. That said, so long as Melo's Frankenstein legs are fine I feel cautiously optimistic.

What is somewhat disturbing, how many minutes the Knicks $17M per season man is playing. Noah made it through 18 minutes. While I like watching "Hercules" Hernangomez running around on the court like a newborn baby, squealing and arms/legs waving, it can't be good that it's this early and Noah has THREE more seasons on this contract.

Dear Phil, next time third year TEAM Option! And stop with your stank ego, giving a player every thing when he comes to your door during the off season.

Noah is Amar'e part 2.

I'm sorry but I gotta bring out the Realgm Insanity Clause...

Queens, NY native Roy Hibbert is now the back up Center on Charlotte averaging 6/3.6/0.7 essentially paid $5M to be a dishwasher. Another local boy legend.

Think that's bad?

Point Guard Ramon Sessions has had more jobs than a 7-11 worker. He's been on 10 teams in 9 seasons. He's being back $6M to be the back up PG averaging 5/3.5.



Both of these clowns were players that teams in this forum hoped that the Knicks signed. Turns out, the Knicks are just fine without them.


If the Knicks didn't sign Jennings, I'd be fine with Sessions.
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Dr. Detfink wrote:During previous seasons this would be the kind of game where fans look at the match ups on paper and say, "The Knicks should win this game." and the Knicks would go out and under perform.

After 15 games, the New York Knicks are finally 1 game over .500.

Now, I'm never encouraged by the fact that the highest paid player had to play 41 minutes and take 25 shots in order post a "W" in OT. The Knicks are not playing Houston, Toronto, or Cleveland. That said, so long as Melo's Frankenstein legs are fine I feel cautiously optimistic.

What is somewhat disturbing, how many minutes the Knicks $17M per season man is playing. Noah made it through 18 minutes. While I like watching "Hercules" Hernangomez running around on the court like a newborn baby, squealing and arms/legs waving, it can't be good that it's this early and Noah has THREE more seasons on this contract.

Dear Phil, next time third year TEAM Option! And stop with your stank ego, giving a player every thing when he comes to your door during the off season.

Noah is Amar'e part 2.

I'm sorry but I gotta bring out the Realgm Insanity Clause...

Queens, NY native Roy Hibbert is now the back up Center on Charlotte averaging 6/3.6/0.7 essentially paid $5M to be a dishwasher. Another local boy legend.

Think that's bad?

Point Guard Ramon Sessions has had more jobs than a 7-11 worker. He's been on 10 teams in 9 seasons. He's being back $6M to be the back up PG averaging 5/3.5.



Both of these clowns were players that teams in this forum hoped that the Knicks signed. Turns out, the Knicks are just fine without them.


If the Knicks didn't sign Jennings, I'd be fine with Sessions.


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Post#474 » by Nazrmohamed » Sat Nov 26, 2016 3:18 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:Off topic, but the action is here right now. If Casspi is truly being shopped, if the Knicks could get him, would you do it? Does he solve the backup PF slot in anyway? Does he add anything that Kuz doesn't, besides being another euro who moves the ball? My recollection of Casspi is that of a tall SF and we seem to have enough guys to hold down SF (Melo, Kuz, CLee, Holiday)


Id understand if he were a FA. He'd play full time backup SF, allowing us to play Holiday at the backup 2 and Kuz at the backup 4. It would definitely ensure we never see Lance again but at what cost? The most Id offer right now is everything nobody wants. Lance, N'Dour and maybe a second rounder
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Post#476 » by god shammgod » Sat Nov 26, 2016 3:20 pm

who wanted to sign horford ?
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Post#477 » by god shammgod » Sat Nov 26, 2016 3:23 pm

i really wonder what's gonna happen with lance. the bench was really a mess before. now they actually have chemistry. would seem a shame to interrupt that.
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Post#478 » by AmazingJason » Sat Nov 26, 2016 3:26 pm

god shammgod wrote:who wanted to sign horford ?


Nobody. I think more people wanted Gasol or Noah than Horford.
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Post#480 » by br7knicks » Sat Nov 26, 2016 3:28 pm

melo played great last night. i hope this continues. this is a bit premature, but it seems like with this improved cast around him, melo seems more relaxed out there and plays more by instinct rather than feeling he needs to carry an entire team. with smart, hardnosed players like kuz, hernan, KP, and lee, it seems melo has more room to do what he does best (they're not all best, defensively, but still know the game).

again, don't want to get premature, but i hope this team continues to play like this; they're beating teams they should (minus the wizards) rather than losing to those teams and only, periodically, playing up to the best teams like last year.
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