The Official Lin Net Thread

[Vae Victus]

A shame, but no surprise at all. The team has completely lost it edge. Despair will soon be settling in and the losses are gonna pile up hard.

2016 has been a bad year

lol what edge?

You know, playing hard. Sure they'll still play hard to try to pad their stats so they can get paid and what not, but its not the same. Worse case scenario they start going through the motions and just get blown out on a nightly basis.

At least with Lin around they might steal a win here and there to try to shore up the flagging morale, but at this rate the team will be 4-20 by the time Lin is at full strength and able to impact games.

[fafan]

Yeah, things are getting a bit out of control now....While I knew team performance would sure decrease with Lin out, I still didn't expect it to be that massive slide we're witnessing right now.

Lin will probably be out until December and when he comes back, it'll probably take him a few game to look like himself, so the season is probably done early...Too bad the injury to Lin has really crushed any chance of being competitive this year.

After watched these big lose games, must say Nets players are really not good. Even Lin come back, only all team try 100% if want to win. No easy game for Nets.

[CobraCommander]

I love Lin and was hoping to go see him play (and lose) against the Wizards in Brooklyn and in DC...now i doubt he will be back anytime soon!

[hood30]

Yeah, things are getting a bit out of control now....While I knew team performance would sure decrease with Lin out, I still didn't expect it to be that massive slide we're witnessing right now.

Lin will probably be out until December and when he comes back, it'll probably take him a few game to look like himself, so the season is probably done early...Too bad the injury to Lin has really crushed any chance of being competitive this year.

After watched these big lose games, must say Nets players are really not good. Even Lin come back, only all team try 100% if want to win. No easy game for Nets.

I actually believe if a few twicks and adjustment are made here and there, this team could improve....I'm not saying they'd improve by a lot since they do not have enough 2way players, but I truly feel that some of their issues has to do with the refusal to make adjustment to rotation and sub pattern based on the current game.

You'd think with a 6 game losing streak, some adjustment and changes are due, right?..Even the biggest Nets fan who didn't expect much this year as for wins, would understand that adjustment should be tried in such a terrible run of games where you're getting blown out by an average of 10-15 points in the past 6-7 games.

This is part of development......to see what works and what doesn't...Whatever Kenny has been doing is simply not working...

Do you want to wait for a 20 game losing streak before considering making adjustment?..Time for some adjustment.

[fafan]

Yeah, things are getting a bit out of control now....While I knew team performance would sure decrease with Lin out, I still didn't expect it to be that massive slide we're witnessing right now.

Lin will probably be out until December and when he comes back, it'll probably take him a few game to look like himself, so the season is probably done early...Too bad the injury to Lin has really crushed any chance of being competitive this year.

After watched these big lose games, must say Nets players are really not good. Even Lin come back, only all team try 100% if want to win. No easy game for Nets.

I actually believe if a few twicks and adjustment are made here and there, this team could improve....I'm not saying they'd improve by a lot since they do not have enough 2way players, but I truly feel that some of their issues has to do with the refusal to make adjustment to rotation and sub pattern based on the current game.

You'd think with a 6 game losing streak, some adjustment and changes are due, right?..Even the biggest Nets fan who didn't expect much this year as for wins, would understand that adjustment should be tried in such a terrible run of games where you're getting blown out by an average of 10-15 points in the past 6-7 games.

This is part of development......to see what works and what doesn't...Whatever Kenny has been doing is simply not working...

Do you want to wait for a 20 game losing streak before considering making adjustment?..Time for some adjustment.

So far, shoots more 3s is the only thing I can tell from KA's strategy.After Lin was out, both O & D getting worse and worse. I don't think Nets only want to develop since haven't used young players over other better ones. Maybe just players aren't good enough to compete.

[Prokorov]

Yeah, things are getting a bit out of control now....While I knew team performance would sure decrease with Lin out, I still didn't expect it to be that massive slide we're witnessing right now.

Lin will probably be out until December and when he comes back, it'll probably take him a few game to look like himself, so the season is probably done early...Too bad the injury to Lin has really crushed any chance of being competitive this year.

After watched these big lose games, must say Nets players are really not good. Even Lin come back, only all team try 100% if want to win. No easy game for Nets.

I actually believe if a few twicks and adjustment are made here and there, this team could improve....I'm not saying they'd improve by a lot since they do not have enough 2way players, but I truly feel that some of their issues has to do with the refusal to make adjustment to rotation and sub pattern based on the current game.

You'd think with a 6 game losing streak, some adjustment and changes are due, right?..Even the biggest Nets fan who didn't expect much this year as for wins, would understand that adjustment should be tried in such a terrible run of games where you're getting blown out by an average of 10-15 points in the past 6-7 games.

This is part of development......to see what works and what doesn't...Whatever Kenny has been doing is simply not working...

Do you want to wait for a 20 game losing streak before considering making adjustment?..Time for some adjustment.

What Kenny is doing is working. guys are improving. guys are playing hard.

I think there is a disconnect between what some here view as success ( winning, competitive games) and what the team does (player improvement, development, attitude, buying in).

[reelsgm]

It's arguable whether guys are improving. Some perhaps but others regressing.

As a team our turnovers are staying abysmal which shows lack of decision making and basic ball-handling issues; we are competitive in games for shorter duration's, collapsing earlier on a pretty steady trajectory; our "motion" offense stagnates constantly with guys standing around waiting for things to happen then forcing the issue. Execution is worse.

We have allowed an insidious flavor of bad habits to creep into most of our rotation players (doing things they simple don't have the ability to do consistently) - those habits need to be broken as soon as Lin gets back on the floor, cuz I don't see it happening until then.

[Prokorov]

It's arguable whether guys are improving. Some perhaps but others regressing.

Which players do you see progressing and regressing?

As a team our turnovers are staying abysmal which shows lack of decision making and basic ball-handling issues; we are competitive in games for shorter duration's, collapsing earlier on a pretty steady trajectory; our "motion" offense stagnates constantly with guys standing around waiting for things to happen then forcing the issue. Execution is worse.

How do you improve bad ball handlers? you have them handle the ball a ton to work on it... there is no substitution for real live in game reps. Of course the games wont be as close when RHJ, one of the worst ball handling wings in the league, is doing a ton of dribble drives. but thats how he will improve. and him improving is more important then wins.

I think our execution in the motion is worse, but again how do you improve point gaurds running an offense? by getting them in game reps. I dont think you can expect a smooth offense with a 42nd pick and an undrafted rookie running the show. but again, their development is big for this team. and both have made huge strides even in just a short time. Whitehead looks alot better then preseason and early on

We have allowed an insidious flavor of bad habits to creep into most of our rotation players (doing things they simple don't have the ability to do consistently) - those habits need to be broken as soon as Lin gets back on the floor, cuz I don't see it happening until then.

You improve consistency with reps. thats whats happening. and when your team is like 95% bench players/low level guys there are going to be alot of bumps in the road. I dont see alot of bad habits. I see a few. Kilpatrick especially when he was playing PG, but they made that correction early.

[reelsgm]

It's arguable whether guys are improving. Some perhaps but others regressing.

Which players do you see progressing and regressing?

As a team our turnovers are staying abysmal which shows lack of decision making and basic ball-handling issues; we are competitive in games for shorter duration's, collapsing earlier on a pretty steady trajectory; our "motion" offense stagnates constantly with guys standing around waiting for things to happen then forcing the issue. Execution is worse.

How do you improve bad ball handlers? you have them handle the ball a ton to work on it... there is no substitution for real live in game reps. Of course the games wont be as close when RHJ, one of the worst ball handling wings in the league, is doing a ton of dribble drives. but thats how he will improve. and him improving is more important then wins.

I think our execution in the motion is worse, but again how do you improve point gaurds running an offense? by getting them in game reps. I dont think you can expect a smooth offense with a 42nd pick and an undrafted rookie running the show. but again, their development is big for this team. and both have made huge strides even in just a short time. Whitehead looks alot better then preseason and early on

We have allowed an insidious flavor of bad habits to creep into most of our rotation players (doing things they simple don't have the ability to do consistently) - those habits need to be broken as soon as Lin gets back on the floor, cuz I don't see it happening until then.

You improve consistency with reps. thats whats happening. and when your team is like 95% bench players/low level guys there are going to be alot of bumps in the road. I dont see alot of bad habits. I see a few. Kilpatrick especially when he was playing PG, but they made that correction early.

The young guys who will be charged in the future with ball-handling and running the offense NEED to be where they will get their reps - On the Long Island Nets for a whole SEASON - it can't come fast enough.

Others made their careers happen from the D-League - when they were NOT real NBA players; and I don't give a hoot about putting them up against real NBA competition.

[Prokorov]

The young guys who will be charged in the future with ball-handling and running the offense NEED to be where they will get their reps - On the Long Island Nets for a whole SEASON - it can't come fast enough.

why would you want guys to develop vs inferior competition on skills when they could do it vs. real NBA talent and reps in NBA games? You cant simulate the ball pressure, speed, and team defense of an NBA team in the d-league. this is very valuable time for Whitehead and Yogi.

as an example, Justin Hamilton was D-league Defensive player of the year, yet he is a below average to poor NBA defender. Its much more valuable having these guys play vs NBA players. Who in the D-league are these guys going to have to gaurd that has the talent of chris paul or lillard or westbrook? you improve by playing vs top competition

Others made their careers happen from the D-League - when they were NOT real NBA players;

and some people became rich winning the lottery... doesnt mean you should bank on that. Sure if this is a playoff team you stash your young guys in the D-league to get reps. But this is a team in year 1 of a rebuild. Without many draft picks which makes developing our young guys even more important. Reps in the NBA are always going to be more valuable since the competition level is so far above the D-league. you cant simulate that in D-league or practice

and I don't give a hoot about putting them up against real NBA competition.

Then you dont care about their development. which is fine. But the nets front office and staff does care.

[reelsgm]

and I don't give a hoot about putting them up against real NBA competition.

Then you dont care about their development. which is fine. But the nets front office and staff does care.

Obviously, they have no other alternative currently.

I care about their development from the D-LEAGUE -- and again, it can't happen soon enough from me. And hopefully, the nets front office and staff ship them there as soon as we get Lin back.

[Prokorov]

and I don't give a hoot about putting them up against real NBA competition.

Then you dont care about their development. which is fine. But the nets front office and staff does care.

Obviously, they have no other alternative currently.

I care about their development from the D-LEAGUE -- and again, it can't happen soon enough from me. And hopefully, the nets front office and staff ship them there as soon as we get Lin back.

Why would you want them to develop in the D-league when their minutes developmentally in the NBA are so much more valuable?

[reelsgm]

Then you dont care about their development. which is fine. But the nets front office and staff does care.

Obviously, they have no other alternative currently.

I care about their development from the D-LEAGUE -- and again, it can't happen soon enough from me. And hopefully, the nets front office and staff ship them there as soon as we get Lin back.

Why would you want them to develop in the D-league when their minutes developmentally in the NBA are so much more valuable?

Perhaps because I want this team to be successful and I believe they can hone their chops in the D-League rather than be a detriment to our success.

I'm sure you got a lottery list a mile long of carp players who failed; nobody said it was easy but cream rises: Hassan Whitehead, JJ Barea, Brandon Bass, Andray Blatche, Avery Bradley, Aaron Brooks, Jordan Farmar, Shannon Brown, Marcin Gortat, Ramon Sessions, Jeremy Lin, Danny Green.

[Prokorov]

Perhaps because I want this team to be successful and I believe they can hone their chops in the D-League rather than be a detriment to our success.

So you would rather add to the win total then to give our young guys the best development opportunities?

This team being successful or not is going to heavily rely on how much players improve and develop,

I'm sure you got a lottery list a mile long of carp players who failed; nobody said it was easy but cream rises: Hassan Whitehead, JJ Barea, Brandon Bass, Andray Blatche, Avery Bradley, Aaron Brooks, Jordan Farmar, Shannon Brown, Marcin Gortat, Ramon Sessions, Jeremy Lin, Danny Green.

as you said, for every guy who made it in the D-league there are like 100 who didn't.... but that's not even the point. whitehead has a guaranteed contract, he is on the team. its about getting the best out of him. and to do that you want him playing vs. NBA competition.

You aren't going to improve your spelling as a high school senior spelling words from a kindergarten textbook. These minutes are really important for whitehead.

[reelsgm]

So you would rather add to the win total then to give our young guys the best development opportunities?

a) Our best young player is likly Caris Levert by a country mile. It's arguable whether IW, YF and CMC could even be turned into NBA players at this point.

b) Were you one of the folks who loved the idea of the Nets having their own D-League team. What is the PURPOSE of having a D-League down the street, if you won't allow any development of your youngsters on the squad? Might as well save the team some money and scrap the whole shebang.

c) Winning is damn important - if that needs to be explained then I have nothing left.

[fafan]

NBA Injury Report/CBS Sports, updated today, Nov 26, the status of Lin (and RHJ) have been upgraded:

Jeremy Lin: Game Time Decision
Rondae HJ: Game Time Decision

"Maybe" (hopefully) Lin and RHJ will play in our Sun, Nov 27th home game vs SAC's Kings.

[TTNN]

I don't think simply play NBA minutes could develop young players. They need to really know what they are doing and execute it, and importantly, have a chance to execute it.

Simply playing in NBA and lost by 20+ a game not necessarily help them grow. If that would help them, then 76ers should be a much better team now. What you really don't want is that the young players lost interest and focus when L start to pile on. And they will start to have a loser mentality, not trusting their teammates, try to take things into their own hands, try to do more than then should and could, and take shortcuts not fighting in the defensive end.

that's why a tanking team is hard to develop young guys, they are not playing for the win, and they will get used to it.

[Prokorov]

So you would rather add to the win total then to give our young guys the best development opportunities?

a) Our best young player is likly Caris Levert by a country mile. It's arguable whether IW, YF and CMC could even be turned into NBA players at this point.

"at this point" you say that like these are 3rd or 4th year pro's that have shown nothing. they havent COMBINED to play 1 full nba season. Whitehead and Yogi are 15 games into their rookie season. LeVert being our best rookie doesn't mean you just forgo developing any other players.

And playing these guys in NBA games is how you determine what they are capable of.

b) Were you one of the folks who loved the idea of the Nets having their own D-League team. What is the PURPOSE of having a D-League down the street, if you won't allow any development of your youngsters on the squad? Might as well save the team some money and scrap the whole shebang.

It is to farm talent and get another look at guys who couldnt make the roster. Whitehead has a contract. he made the roster already. now you put in the work to develop him as best you can. The D-league is to find guys like Kilpatrick. but once these guys make the team, and have gauranteed contracts, you do whatever you can to develop them... ESPECIALLY in a season where there is less of an emphasis on winning now and more on winning down the road

c) Winning is damn important - if that needs to be explained then I have nothing left.

Winning is not the priority. Development is. this team isnt ready to win. thats a couple years away.

[Prokorov]

I don't think simply play NBA minutes could develop young players. They need to really know what they are doing and execute it, and importantly, have a chance to execute it.

Simply playing in NBA and lost by 20+ a game not necessarily help them grow. If that would help them, then 76ers should be a much better team now. What you really don't want is that the young players lost interest and focus when L start to pile on. And they will start to have a loser mentality, not trusting their teammates, try to take things into their own hands, try to do more than then should and could, and take shortcuts not fighting in the defensive end.

that's why a tanking team is hard to develop young guys, they are not playing for the win, and they will get used to it.

Agreed, tanking doesnt work nor does throwing 30+ minutes at all your rookies. but you still want your young guys getting NBA minutes. you mix that in with veterans (like lin, scola, brook, foye) so that these guys dont have to play to huge a role or shoulder a ton on either end. And thats what we are doing.

The plan they have used so far has been outstanding. alot of time for young guys with veterans in the mix doing most of the heavy lifting but still enough volume for young guys to learn on the job where there is the biggest impact on development

like i said in the other thread, there is no substitute for NBA calibur. no one in the dleague is gonna put pressure on whitehead or yogi the way Paul, Westbrook, Lillard or even teague will. thats valuable.

The nets arent tanking, and no one is advocating that.

[sprost]

NBA Injury Report/CBS Sports, updated today, Nov 26, the status of Lin (and RHJ) have been upgraded:

Jeremy Lin: Game Time Decision
Rondae HJ: Game Time Decision

"Maybe" (hopefully) Lin and RHJ will play in our Sun, Nov 27th home game vs SAC's Kings.

I just went to CBS sports injury report, and what they had was not "Game Time Decision" for Lin (like for RHJ), but:
"Update:11/26/16 Jeremy Lin PG Hamstring Expected to be out until at least Nov 29"