Fantasy Trade Thread

[PhillyNj]

Okafor and Rodriquez to HOU
Noel, McDaniels, and the LAL 1st to MIN
Beverley, Brewer, Pekovic, and LaVine to PHI

horrible deal. You sent three valable pieces away and just get back one with two negative pieces

Agreed this trade is a joke .
You want Noel ND the LA pick.
You should be talking Lavine AND Dunn

[OleSchool]

Okafor and Rodriquez to HOU
Noel, McDaniels, and the LAL 1st to MIN
Beverley, Brewer, Pekovic, and LaVine to PHI

horrible deal. You sent three valable pieces away and just get back one with two negative pieces

Agreed this trade is a joke .
You want Noel ND the LA pick.
You should be talking Lavine AND Dunn

I would actually be ok with this without the LAL pick. There is no way I want to eat Pek's deal and give up the LAL pick

[LloydFree]

What about something around Vaughn & Maker (+ bad contract?) for Noel & Hollis

Maker is 2 years away from 2years away (about our timeline ) Vaughn (&TLC) gives us some security if Nik either goes crazy hot and someone throws him big money or goes mental and is out of the league.

Rashad Vaughn is trash and Thon Maker is a 'hope and a prayer' to just be a contributor. Neither player is anything to target on the waiver wire, much less trade a productive player for them.

[spikeslovechild]

We need a starting guard. We already have Bayless. We don't need middling veterans.

I've said all along for Okafor I want the possibility to acquire a top prospect or young player. That doesn't appear to be happening after his struggles this season. Can't trade him at this point we'd be getting pennies on the dollar.

Beverley is a starting guard. He's one of the best 3+D guards in the NBA. Bayless is a middling veteran - he's far worse than Beverley and not starter quality.

We need shot takers as well as shot makers. Particularly at the guard position. Beverly will never be anything more then a 8-10 PPG guard. I need more even with his stellar defense.

I have no idea what Okafor value is at the moment but you can't accept Beverly for him. You need more. I wouldn't accept that trade for Noel either and we need to move him.

[spikeslovechild]

What about something around Vaughn & Maker (+ bad contract?) for Noel & Hollis

Maker is 2 years away from 2years away (about our timeline ) Vaughn (&TLC) gives us some security if Nik either goes crazy hot and someone throws him big money or goes mental and is out of the league.

Rashad Vaughn is trash and Thon Maker is a 'hope and a prayer' to just be a contributor. Neither player is anything to target on the waiver wire, much less trade a productive player for them.

They trade Thon and a lightly protected first deal.

[TTP]

We need a starting guard. We already have Bayless. We don't need middling veterans.

I've said all along for Okafor I want the possibility to acquire a top prospect or young player. That doesn't appear to be happening after his struggles this season. Can't trade him at this point we'd be getting pennies on the dollar.

Beverley is a starting guard. He's one of the best 3+D guards in the NBA. Bayless is a middling veteran - he's far worse than Beverley and not starter quality.

We need shot takers as well as shot makers. Particularly at the guard position. Beverly will never be anything more then a 8-10 PPG guard. I need more even with his stellar defense.

I have no idea what Okafor value is at the moment but you can't accept Beverly for him. You need more. I wouldn't accept that trade for Noel either and we need to move him.

Between Embiid, Simmons, Covington, and whoever we draft in the top 5, I'm not concerned with having enough high volume shooters.

You aren't getting more than that for Okafor.

[spikeslovechild]

Then you don't move him. Beverly is worth at best a mid first round pick. I'm sorry but I know Okafor sucked so far but I'm not willing to go from what BOS was rumored to have offered which was what turned out to be the 3rd round pick and could have been much more. To Patrick freakin Beverly because of 15 **** games.

[TTP]

Then you don't move him. Beverly is worth at best a mid first round pick. I'm sorry but I know Okafor sucked so far but I'm not willing to go from what BOS was rumored to have offered which was what turned out to be the 3rd round pick and could have been much more. To Patrick freakin Beverly because of 15 **** games.

There's no actual evidence that anyone offered the third overall pick for Okafor and I'd be shocked if it ever happened. If you think Okafor's value will only get worse (as I do), it makes sense to take what you can get for him sooner rather than later.

You underrate Beverley a lot though. He's on one of the best contracts in the league - a 3 for 16.5 mil declining deal. As someone who valued financial freedom so highly when discussing the implications of a Noel extension versus waiting two years for someone like WCS, I would expect you to value a player like Beverley a lot, who costs close to nothing over the next two seasons.

His skillset is also malleable and should fit well in a lot of different lineups, even moreso if we end up drafting Fultz, Smith, or Jackson.

[spikeslovechild]

Then you don't move him. Beverly is worth at best a mid first round pick. I'm sorry but I know Okafor sucked so far but I'm not willing to go from what BOS was rumored to have offered which was what turned out to be the 3rd round pick and could have been much more. To Patrick freakin Beverly because of 15 **** games.

There's no actual evidence that anyone offered the third overall pick for Okafor and I'd be shocked if it ever happened. If you think Okafor's value will only get worse (as I do), it makes sense to take what you can get for him sooner rather than later.

You underrate Beverley a lot though. He's on one of the best contracts in the league - a 3 for 16.5 mil declining deal. As someone who valued financial freedom so highly when discussing the implications of a Noel extension versus waiting two years for someone like WCS, I would expect you to value a player like Beverley a lot, who costs close to nothing over the next two seasons.

His skillset is also malleable and should fit well in a lot of different lineups, even moreso if we end up drafting Fultz, Smith, or Jackson.

I'm not opposed to Beverly contract or the player. I am opposed to trading Okafor or Noel for him. I think they are worth more. In Okafor case we don;t even save money.

I also think Bayless while a notch below will serve the same role for us after we find some starting caliber guards. It's interesting you mention Covington because he's a guy who if he was playing well likely would have been moved. He still will prob be moved. Penciling him longterm is a mistake.

More to the point moving beyond contracts I don't think we are at the point where these kind of deals make sense. We are still in the asset collection phase of the process trying to collect talent to surround Embiid and Simmons. We are multiple years away from that reality being realized. You don't get there by trading Okafor for Beverly. You don't even do it by trading Noel for Beverly who has to be moved this year.

You trade for young players and first round picks. Then you pull the deal if you have the pieces already in place. For example if the Cavs needed a PG I could see them trading one of their prospects (if they had one of the caliber of Okafor/Noel). Or the GSW. We aren't in the same situation. We aren't a Patrick Beverly away from contending.

[TTP]

Then you don't move him. Beverly is worth at best a mid first round pick. I'm sorry but I know Okafor sucked so far but I'm not willing to go from what BOS was rumored to have offered which was what turned out to be the 3rd round pick and could have been much more. To Patrick freakin Beverly because of 15 **** games.

There's no actual evidence that anyone offered the third overall pick for Okafor and I'd be shocked if it ever happened. If you think Okafor's value will only get worse (as I do), it makes sense to take what you can get for him sooner rather than later.

You underrate Beverley a lot though. He's on one of the best contracts in the league - a 3 for 16.5 mil declining deal. As someone who valued financial freedom so highly when discussing the implications of a Noel extension versus waiting two years for someone like WCS, I would expect you to value a player like Beverley a lot, who costs close to nothing over the next two seasons.

His skillset is also malleable and should fit well in a lot of different lineups, even moreso if we end up drafting Fultz, Smith, or Jackson.

I'm not opposed to Beverly contract or the player. I am opposed to trading Okafor or Noel for him. I think they are worth more. In Okafor case we don;t even save money.

I also think Bayless while a notch below will serve the same role for us after we find some starting caliber guards. It's interesting you mention Covington because he's a guy who if he was playing well likely would have been moved. He still will prob be moved. Penciling him longterm is a mistake.

More to the point moving beyond contracts I don't think we are at the point where these kind of deals make sense. We are still in the asset collection phase of the process trying to collect talent to surround Embiid and Simmons. We are multiple years away from that reality being realized. You don't get there by trading Okafor for Beverly. You don't even do it by trading Noel for Beverly who has to be moved this year.

You trade for young players and first round picks. Then you pull the deal if you have the pieces already in place. For example if the Cavs needed a PG I could see them trading one of their prospects (if they had one of the caliber of Okafor/Noel). Or the GSW. We aren't in the same situation. We aren't a Patrick Beverly away from contending.

Yeah I don't agree with this. We have plenty of assets and I don't see the point of trading someone like Covington away. He's grown with the team for 2 years and he's developing on court chemistry with Embiid, especially on the defensive end, as well as off court chemistry. We want to acquire optimal players to place around Embiid and Simmons and have them grow together and Covington fits into that.

We don't want to be sacrificing wins for a better draft pick now that we have Embiid/Simmons. We want their confidence and morale to be as high as possible. Okafor is hindering the team now - he's blocking Holmes and he's decreasing our team's winrate with every minute he plays. It's not like we're sacrificing the future by trading him, especially because I believe he'll be worth significantly less a year from now. If I can trade Okafor for Beverley - who will make Embiid, Simmons, and the rest of the team better - I absolutely pull the trigger. There are younger players I'm interested in as well that I've mentioned countless times (Baldwin, McCaw, Powell, Wright, RHJ, Hezonja), but that doesn't mean I'm not interested in a great fit like Beverley just because he's 28.

Just because it makes sense for the Cavs or GSW to do it, doesn't mean it doesn't make sense for us to do it. I understand success cycles better than you think.

Also it's crazy to think Okafor is worth more than Beverley and that you think you'll be able to get more value in the future by just holding out. He's been completely atrocious and every minute he plays moves him further from potential and more towards bust. There's been no indication that he's going to turn it around.

[eagereyez]

Then you don't move him. Beverly is worth at best a mid first round pick. I'm sorry but I know Okafor sucked so far but I'm not willing to go from what BOS was rumored to have offered which was what turned out to be the 3rd round pick and could have been much more. To Patrick freakin Beverly because of 15 **** games.

A lot of people argued that the BKN pick wasn't worth Okafor, and they were wrong. They'd be wrong to say the same thing about Beverley. I think you need to understand just how bad Okafor really is. He is not a starter on a winning basketball team. Beverley is a starting caliber 3&D PG who would complement Simmons well. It's a moot point because I'm sure Morey isn't dumb enough to trade Beverley for Okafor.

[LloydFree]

I bet Brett Brown would kiss Colangelo full on the mouth, if he traded Okafor for Beverly. It would make his job so easy, they'd win games while he slept. Beverly, Covington and Illyasova playing off Embiid and Simmons? They'd win games by accident.

[spikeslovechild]

Then you don't move him. Beverly is worth at best a mid first round pick. I'm sorry but I know Okafor sucked so far but I'm not willing to go from what BOS was rumored to have offered which was what turned out to be the 3rd round pick and could have been much more. To Patrick freakin Beverly because of 15 **** games.

A lot of people argued that the BKN pick wasn't worth Okafor, and they were wrong. They'd be wrong to say the same thing about Beverley. I think you need to understand just how bad Okafor really is. He is not a starter on a winning basketball team. Beverley is a starting caliber 3&D PG who would complement Simmons well. It's a moot point because I'm sure Morey isn't dumb enough to trade Beverley for Okafor.

I can't say anything more then I disagree on all counts. I'd also say not every rookie has a linear upwards projection. There are usually setbacks along the way.

Russell went through terrible stretches last year. Porzingis went through a terrible stretch. Booker played terrible for 30 games to close out the season.

I saw the talent last year it's there. This year it isn't showing up on the court which sucks not only for Okafor but for the Sixers and me as a fan of the sixers. However, overreacting and trading him for pennies on the dollar after 15 bad games is about the worst thing we can do. Also, I think you misread Morey he's the kind of GM who loves taking chances on depressed assets.

[LloydFree]

Then you don't move him. Beverly is worth at best a mid first round pick. I'm sorry but I know Okafor sucked so far but I'm not willing to go from what BOS was rumored to have offered which was what turned out to be the 3rd round pick and could have been much more. To Patrick freakin Beverly because of 15 **** games.

A lot of people argued that the BKN pick wasn't worth Okafor, and they were wrong. They'd be wrong to say the same thing about Beverley. I think you need to understand just how bad Okafor really is. He is not a starter on a winning basketball team. Beverley is a starting caliber 3&D PG who would complement Simmons well. It's a moot point because I'm sure Morey isn't dumb enough to trade Beverley for Okafor.

I'm not sure I agree with that. A smart GM like Morey, may trade for a "name" player like Okafor in order to take advantage of a dumb GM later in a bigger trade.
If anything, I don't believe Colangelo would do the deal. There would be too much media and casual fan backlash for that kind kind of trade. There are enough dummies on Philly.com (like Smallwood and Hayes) and amongst the fanbase, that this couldn't be Colangelo's 1st major trade as the 76ers GM. There are still some who think Okafor is a potential star player and most of them are not aware enough about basketball to know Beverly is a more useful player. Colangelo is too PR aware to do this.

[the_process]

Then you don't move him. Beverly is worth at best a mid first round pick. I'm sorry but I know Okafor sucked so far but I'm not willing to go from what BOS was rumored to have offered which was what turned out to be the 3rd round pick and could have been much more. To Patrick freakin Beverly because of 15 **** games.

A lot of people argued that the BKN pick wasn't worth Okafor, and they were wrong. They'd be wrong to say the same thing about Beverley. I think you need to understand just how bad Okafor really is. He is not a starter on a winning basketball team. Beverley is a starting caliber 3&D PG who would complement Simmons well. It's a moot point because I'm sure Morey isn't dumb enough to trade Beverley for Okafor.

I'm not sure I agree with that. A smart GM like Morey, may trade for a "name" player like Okafor in order to take advantage of a dumb GM later in a bigger trade.
If anything, I don't believe Colangelo would do the deal. There would be too much media and casual fan backlash for that kind kind of trade. There are enough dummies on Philly.com (like Smallwood and Hayes) and amongst the fanbase, that this couldn't be Colangelo's 1st major trade as the 76ers GM. There are still some who think Okafor is a potential star player and most of them are not aware enough about basketball to know Beverly is a more useful player. Colangelo is too PR aware to do this.

The PR part is why you combine a Jah/Bev trade with a Noel/LaVine trade. The Marcus Hayes types can focus on LaVine; while the rest of us can look at Embiid, Cov, and Bev and know the team is already set to be elite defensively.

[the_process]

HOU gets Okafor and Rodriquez
MIN gets LAL 1st, OKC 1st, Noel, and McDaniels
PHI gets Brewer, Beverley, and LaVine

Reposting the non-eating Pekovic one since it seems to have been glossed over, and the idea of a Bev trade has sparked conversation.

[TTP]

HOU gets Okafor and Rodriquez
MIN gets LAL 1st, OKC 1st, Noel, and McDaniels
PHI gets Brewer, Beverley, and LaVine

Reposting the non-eating Pekovic one since it seems to have been glossed over, and the idea of a Bev trade has sparked conversation.

Seems fine from our perspective but I don't see Morey being interested in Okafor.

[the_process]

HOU gets Okafor and Rodriquez
MIN gets LAL 1st, OKC 1st, Noel, and McDaniels
PHI gets Brewer, Beverley, and LaVine

Reposting the non-eating Pekovic one since it seems to have been glossed over, and the idea of a Bev trade has sparked conversation.

Seems fine from our perspective but I don't see Morey being interested in Okafor.

Morey is all about depressed assets. Plus he's not giving up very much and opening cap room for the summer.

[TradeLowry]

Would you guys do Sergio Rodriguez, Ersan Ilyasova, Noel, lakers 1st and Kings 1st for Lowry and Derozan?

lets be real, Embiid is better than JV rn so you guys would be a better version of us, rn. And would still have your 2 best prospects Embiid and Simmons.

Lowry
Derozan
Simmons
Saric
Embiid

Is the 2nd best team in the East right now

[Ericb5]

Would you guys do Sergio Rodriguez, Ersan Ilyasova, Noel, lakers 1st and Kings 1st for Lowry and Derozan?

lets be real, Embiid is better than JV rn so you guys would be a better version of us, rn. And would still have your 2 best prospects Embiid and Simmons.

Lowry
Derozan
Simmons
Saric
Embiid

Is the 2nd best team in the East right now

Without checking contract statuses and such, I probably would do something like that. It would be a serious win now move, but we give up only non core pieces. It's a lot to give up, but it would make us a serious team over night.


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