Fake Trade Thread 16/17 pt.1

Mystical Apples · Post #141 » by **Mystical Apples** » Mon Nov 21, 2016 3:55 pm

Diop wrote:
Mystical Apples wrote:Bosh is worth a flyer for 2017 if he clears medical but he probably won't be eligible for this year's postseason even if he does clear.

I was about to tell you to settle down with the MKG > Bosh line until I read this.

Bosh is a great inside/outside threat, who plays smart team ball, would love him in a Clifford team.
He would be a great version of Hawes.

I like WCS as being a good backup centre at least and Casspi would be solid backup Sf where they currently play Lamb when he's not injured. Casspi also managed to play the Marv role pretty well at times for the Kings last year

Yeah I'm a Bosh fanboy but he'll be 33 and played just 1/2 season over 2. That said Miami isn't going to release him in time. I'd still, however, sign him knowing it was for 2017-18 and getting 33/34 year old Bosh.

Post #142 » by **Diop** » Mon Nov 21, 2016 4:05 pm

Mystical Apples wrote:If Cho addresses a front court need it should be consolidating backup 5 minutes with elite individual rebounding. So Bogut who's ideal....expiring, rim protector, defensive rebounder, and incredibly gifted passer who fits with starters and 2nd unit.

Can't imagine a better compliment to Cody and the roster in general.

If he wasn't likely to trip over his shoe lace and injure himself for the year during his first training session I would agree.

Very underrated role playing centre, would be a great Clifford system team player. But you just know he will end up injured

Mystical Apples · Post #143 » by **Mystical Apples** » Mon Nov 21, 2016 4:30 pm

Diop wrote:
Mystical Apples wrote:If Cho addresses a front court need it should be consolidating backup 5 minutes with elite individual rebounding. So Bogut who's ideal....expiring, rim protector, defensive rebounder, and incredibly gifted passer who fits with starters and 2nd unit.

Can't imagine a better compliment to Cody and the roster in general.

If he wasn't likely to trip over his shoe lace and injure himself for the year during his first training session I would agree.

Very underrated role playing centre, would be a great Clifford system team player. But you just know he will end up injured

Very, very true. For a 2nd and players who aren't likely cracking the PO rotation I'd take that flyer though. And at worst he's an expiring.

Post #144 » by **fatlever** » Fri Nov 25, 2016 7:03 pm

I would definitely kick the tires for an Omri Casspi trade

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Snidely FC · Post #145 » by **Snidely FC** » Fri Nov 25, 2016 7:03 pm

Casspi would be a great fit imo as MKG depth; would happily give two 2nds or some such to get him

Braggins · Post #146 » by **Braggins** » Fri Nov 25, 2016 7:22 pm

Yep, please please please throw a 2nd rounder or two at Sacramento for Casspi (Roberts + 2nd?) and then let Marco play backup PG when Kemba is out and/or play more small ball with MKG/Batum/Casspi at PF. Marco, Lamb, MKG/Batum, Casspi, Frank/Hawes/Cody, seems like it could work against 2nd units.

Kemba/Marco/Sessions
Batum/Lamb/Harrison
MKG/Casspi/Graham
Marv/Frank/Wood
Cody/Roy/Hawes

EDIT:

If Sacramento decides its time to tank we might be able to also get them to come off Darren Collison, who is also on a one year contract.

Sessions (or Hawes) + Aaron Harrison + 2017 1st (heavily protected, likely conveys as two 2nds) for Darren Collison + Omri Casspi

Kemba/Collison/Roberts
Batum/Marco/Graham
MKG/Lamb/Casspi
Marv/Frank/Wood
Cody/Roy /Hawes

Marco/Lamb/Casspi could share minutes at the two backup wing spots with Casspi being the 3rd off the bench, but also getting some minutes at PF. That is a hella deep team and Collison could help keep Kemba's minutes low and also keep us afloat if he misses any time due to rest/injury. This is probably wishful thinking, but its probably currently my ideal trade that is at least somewhat realistic.

Post #147 » by **Diop** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 12:28 pm

I want Casspi as well, I don't think Sacramento can afford to tank unless they offload Cousins first.

Snidely FC · Post #148 » by **Snidely FC** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 2:24 pm

I hope the silver lining of this losing streak (and maybe Marv's injury) is that mgmt realizes they need to make a trade (Casspi Bogut someone . . . )

bravor · Post #149 » by **bravor** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:31 pm

The roster has to be improved, but you don't sell low and above all, you don't get rid of the 1st pick because there are too many valuable prospects in next draft. At worst, it could be used to get a real asset during next draft day.
Since Clifford does not necessary want to play Hawes, he, Lamb and , maybe, Frank (for my part i would at least check what i could get from him, either a good pick or a good prospect/good veteran on a team friendly contract) and Sessions.

Players like Casspi would marginally fix some issues (mostly the 3 point threats from the bench), knowing you would add another liability in defense.
Need to find better partners, and nothing can be done for a valuable player, one good move would be to wave a guy like Harisson to open a roster spot for a 3D (like Toupane or any other guy).

Eoghan · Post #150 » by **Eoghan** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:15 pm

Trade MKG while he's healthy...

*dodges rotten fruit*

chellis · Post #151 » by **chellis** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 7:46 pm

I'm curious what people's thoughts are around this trade...are my values off and if so how much?: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=j4z7oq5

It is contingent on Utah thinking they won't resign Hayward or they fall out of the playoff hunt. A first would be traded to Utah from Toronto and a second from Charlotte to either Philly or Utah (haven't decided where) in the proposed deal. Toronto gets its rim protecting big. Philly gets a solid player on a reasonable deal. Charlotte adds additional fire power and play making to the lineup.

**Please don't say "we aren't trading MKG, etc, etc." suspend disbelief. I was looking to mix things up and assess value.**

amcoolio · Post #152 » by **amcoolio** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 8:57 pm

chellis wrote:I'm curious what people's thoughts are around this trade...are my values off and if so how much?: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=j4z7oq5

It is contingent on Utah thinking they won't resign Hayward or they fall out of the playoff hunt. A first would be traded to Utah from Toronto and a second from Charlotte to either Philly or Utah (haven't decided where) in the proposed deal. Toronto gets its rim protecting big. Philly gets a solid player on a reasonable deal. Charlotte adds additional fire power and play making to the lineup.

**Please don't say "we aren't trading MKG, etc, etc." suspend disbelief. I was looking to mix things up and assess value.**

I'd do it. Hayward would be a great fit here.

We really need MKG to step up now with Marvin probably out a month. Now is the time.

Post #153 » by **yosemiteben** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:00 pm

Yeah I'd do MKG + Hawes for Hayward, much less with Pat2 tapped on. Only concern is if Batum and Hayward are too similar to be a long term fit, but I think you can't have too much playmaking and shooting so I'd be down.

Eoghan · Post #154 » by **Eoghan** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 12:56 am

chellis wrote:I'm curious what people's thoughts are around this trade...are my values off and if so how much?: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=j4z7oq5

It is contingent on Utah thinking they won't resign Hayward or they fall out of the playoff hunt. A first would be traded to Utah from Toronto and a second from Charlotte to either Philly or Utah (haven't decided where) in the proposed deal. Toronto gets its rim protecting big. Philly gets a solid player on a reasonable deal. Charlotte adds additional fire power and play making to the lineup.

**Please don't say "we aren't trading MKG, etc, etc." suspend disbelief. I was looking to mix things up and assess value.**

That's probably a hard no for Toronto. 2Pat is actually a really good fit for them. Not sure Philly would say yes either, adding a non-shooter to a team full of non-shooters isn't ideal.

Post #155 » by **Diop** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 2:57 am

Eoghan wrote:Trade MKG while he's healthy...

*dodges rotten fruit*

you know, for the right asset, I could be convinced right now.

Post #156 » by **Diop** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 2:59 am

I don't really like it for Utah either

chellis · Post #157 » by **chellis** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 3:33 am

Ok, so it sounds like I'm in the ballpark in some areas and off in others. I'll try tweaking the framework of the deal and re-pitch the idea tomorrow. Thanks for the feedback!

Post #158 » by **JDR720** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:06 pm

I dont know if Philly or Utah would do that.

biggest ?s for me regarding charlotte are would we be ok paying Hayward a huge deal (probably bigger than Nics) and having basically no good perimeter defense.

Post #159 » by **JDR720** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:13 pm

and my own, much less expensive deal.

Omri Casspi and Malachi Richardson for Hawes and 2nd round pick

we get a SF/PF to fill in for Marv (and MKG when he gets hurt), Richardson is there for salary purposes. Kings get a larger expiring contract (Hawes will opt out) who is a pretty good fit and a 2nd round pick.

Post #160 » by **JDR720** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:20 pm

JDR720 wrote:I dont know if Philly or Utah would do that.

biggest ?s for me regarding charlotte are would we be ok paying Hayward a huge deal (probably bigger than Nics) and having basically no good perimeter defense.

and if someone trades for MKG, i think it will be a contender (or they think MKG puts them over the top. one team that comes to mind is the Clippers, but i dont think they have anything to get him.