Kellerman on Melo: "Time to hand reins over to Porzingis"

[NYKnicksTAPE]

PorzinGOD's ~%69 field goal attempts have been jumpshots. In comparison, Melo's are over %80, does that make Melo too jump shot reliant?

Yes, it does to me. When his shot isn't falling u end up with 18 points on 25 shots like last night because he only got 2 free throws.

Hopefully Melo improves his game to the point he goes to the line more than PorzinGOD

Tf are u talking about? And why are u trying to deflect from what I'm saying by bringing up Melo? You've already tried to do that by bringing up KAT. BOTH Melo and KP need to get to the line more.

[Thugger HBC]

Yes, a good game offensively as in not a 18 points on 17 shots or 17 points on 16 shots type of night. I'm not saying that he'll be useless offensively or not be able to score at all. But anyways, my main point has been that he should get to the point where u can pencil him in for at least 6-7 fta a night and also develop some consistent ways to get points on the low block because the jumper won't always fall. He's shooting incredibly from the field right now, but what if goes on a prolonged slump with his shooting? Developing those parts of his game would help him a lot when that happens. I think that's fair for me to say.

kristaps hasn't had to many of those though, which is why on the years he's averaging 21 ppg on 15 shots

Yes, but the season is long. Fatigue will eventually set in and those jump shots won't be going in at the same rate. He's shooting incredibly right now (49% from the field and 40% from 3...he's also shooting 49% from 10-14 feet and 54% from 20-24 feet...that's an increase of over 10% from those spots last year), and maybe those percentages will hold up for the entire season, but there's a chance that they won't.

KP has shown enough versatility that this shouldn't be much of a worry.

[Thugger HBC]

Firstly, KP has been the team most consistent player on offense this season.

But KP doesn't rely on his jumper too much. He has a TS% of right at .600, with raw shooting at 49%, his offense the way it is now is efficient for a guy who mixes in a lot of different ways to score. As a player, he has a 120 ORTG on the season.

And quite a bit of this offensive explosion can be contributed to him because he runs with the second unit from some stretches and really breaks out.

Not bad at all for a second option who is still learning how to remain effective while racking up some fouls that hindering him from really breaking out.

PorzinGOD's ~%69 field goal attempts have been jumpshots. In comparison, Melo's are over %80, does that make Melo too jump shot reliant?

For KP it seems to be his bread, it opens up his game. didn't think Melo's was quite that high this season.

[El Poochio]

Yes, it does to me. When his shot isn't falling u end up with 18 points on 25 shots like last night because he only got 2 free throws.

Hopefully Melo improves his game to the point he goes to the line more than PorzinGOD

Tf are u talking about? And why are u trying to deflect from what I'm saying by bringing up Melo? You've already tried to do that by bringing up KAT. BOTH Melo and KP need to get to the line more.

Imagine saying this:

If KP's jumper isn't falling, then there's pretty much no chance that he'll have a good game offensively...

And then he goes on to score 25 points while shooting %43, thanks to going to the line 11 times

[god shammgod]

Yes, it does to me. When his shot isn't falling u end up with 18 points on 25 shots like last night because he only got 2 free throws.

Hopefully Melo improves his game to the point he goes to the line more than PorzinGOD

Tf are u talking about? And why are u trying to deflect from what I'm saying by bringing up Melo? You've already tried to do that by bringing up KAT. BOTH Melo and KP need to get to the line more.

nobody on the team gets to the line. that's something none of our guys are good at it. they're all kind of scared of contact.

[NYKnicksTAPE]

Hopefully Melo improves his game to the point he goes to the line more than PorzinGOD

Tf are u talking about? And why are u trying to deflect from what I'm saying by bringing up Melo? You've already tried to do that by bringing up KAT. BOTH Melo and KP need to get to the line more.

Imagine saying this:

If KP's jumper isn't falling, then there's pretty much no chance that he'll have a good game offensively...

And then he goes on to score 25 points while shooting %43, thanks to going to the line 11 times

And the game before he got to the line 0 times and ended up with 16 points on 16 shots. U know why he got those 25 points even tho his shot was a little off? Because he got to the line 11 times, but his ability to get to the line isn't CONSISTENT which is why I think he should develop that part of his game. Yes, saying that there's "pretty much no chance" of him having a good game was a little extreme on my part, but the chances of it happening are still low in my eyes until he can consistently get to the line and develop more of a post game.

[Thugger HBC]

Gonna be tough to gauge KP's game on free throw attempts.

1) He's a good ft shooter, no he wont have the "hack a" ramp up like some.

2)His money is his wing oriented offense, and most NBA players don't foul there routinely.

3)His shot is not likely to be blocked or attempted to resulting in possible fouls due to his height.

His bread is his efificiency

[El Poochio]

Tf are u talking about? And why are u trying to deflect from what I'm saying by bringing up Melo? You've already tried to do that by bringing up KAT. BOTH Melo and KP need to get to the line more.

Imagine saying this:

If KP's jumper isn't falling, then there's pretty much no chance that he'll have a good game offensively...

And then he goes on to score 25 points while shooting %43, thanks to going to the line 11 times

And the game before he got to the line 0 times and ended up with 16 points on 16 shots. U know why he got those 25 points even tho his shot was a little off? Because he got to the line 11 times, but his ability to get to the line isn't CONSISTENT which is why I think he should develop that part of his game. Yes, saying that there's "pretty much no chance" of him having a good game was a little extreme on my part, but the chances of it happening are still low in my eyes until he can consistently get to the line and develop more of a post game.

FINALLY

That was the point I wanted to show you, sorry if it annoyed you

And for the too jump shot reliant part, for me there are many ways to skin a cat, DuRAT has same jump shot % of his field goal attempts as PorzinGOD, yes he goes to the line more than him, but maybe PorzinGOD should work on his strengths, and improve his shooting, rather than post game and try to become truly elite in what he is already good at, like how DeRozan been doing

Hope he works hard with Dirk's coach this summer to find that unstoppable go to move that can bail him out in playoffs

[vallen]

and Melos modo when hes cold is to always keep shooting. this rubbed off on JR and wasted us a season. Now its going to do thesame with our youth, teaching them to play the wrong way.

JR, Shump, Tyson won chips playing in a system, with true superstars that know how to play within that system. Melo will go through 100 coaches and will still be playing the only way he knows how. and thats to get his buckets at the expense of the players around him. and will ultimately and inevitably kill our season yet again.

[Thugger HBC]

and Melos modo when hes cold is to always keep shooting. this rubbed off on JR and wasted us a season. Now its going to do thesame with our youth, teaching them to play the wrong way.

JR, Shump, Tyson won chips playing in a system, with true superstars that know how to play within that system. Melo will go through 100 coaches and will still be playing the only way he knows how. and thats to get his buckets at the expense of the players around him. and will ultimately and inevitably kill our season yet again.

They won with generational talents, they system really didn't matter. LeBron has made the finals as much as he has due to talent, primarily his own. Dirk had a real greatness to him that year he won, Carlisle hasn't exactly been winning much else though, didn't his system die?

Spo isn't either despite such "'systems".

[vallen]

and Melos modo when hes cold is to always keep shooting. this rubbed off on JR and wasted us a season. Now its going to do thesame with our youth, teaching them to play the wrong way.

JR, Shump, Tyson won chips playing in a system, with true superstars that know how to play within that system. Melo will go through 100 coaches and will still be playing the only way he knows how. and thats to get his buckets at the expense of the players around him. and will ultimately and inevitably kill our season yet again.

They won with generational talents, they system really didn't matter. LeBron has made the finals as much as he has due to talent, primarily his own. Dirk had a real greatness to him that year he won, Carlisle hasn't exactly been winning much else though, didn't his system die?

Spo isn't either despite such "'systems".

they werent running a system ? and they won because of "generational talents" ? ok sure why not , nvm idc.

and I thought melo was supposed to be a guy who could win due to his talent ? isnt that why we got him ? he was the Franchise no ? so if he isnt, and hes just one of the guys, then maybe kellermans correct, no ?

[Thugger HBC]

and Melos modo when hes cold is to always keep shooting. this rubbed off on JR and wasted us a season. Now its going to do thesame with our youth, teaching them to play the wrong way.

JR, Shump, Tyson won chips playing in a system, with true superstars that know how to play within that system. Melo will go through 100 coaches and will still be playing the only way he knows how. and thats to get his buckets at the expense of the players around him. and will ultimately and inevitably kill our season yet again.

They won with generational talents, they system really didn't matter. LeBron has made the finals as much as he has due to talent, primarily his own. Dirk had a real greatness to him that year he won, Carlisle hasn't exactly been winning much else though, didn't his system die?

Spo isn't either despite such "'systems".

they werent running a system ? and they won because of "generational talents" ? ok sure why not , nvm idc.

and I thought melo was supposed to be a guy who could win due to his talent ? isnt that why we got him ? he was the Franchise no ? so if he isnt, and hes just one of the guys, then maybe kellermans correct, no ?

How many titles does Carlisle have with his system? 1 and that was the year Dirk stepped up greatly in the playoffs. You brought this up, so I felt the need to respond.

As for your Melo reference, I say this everyday....just because you expect something, doesn't mean that's what it is or should be expected.

The issue is your expectations. You're expecting one man to win alone in a five on five game. Melo wasn't winning in Denver either.

Melo is "one" of the guys. Plenty of players have scored a lot and didn't win a title. You can go through nearly every decade and find one or two guys who primarily are scorers that didn't win for a variety of reasons. we've had three of them in the last 30 years, in Ewing, BK, and Melo.

All players need some help. The difference in Melo's case is he needs help that is better overall than he is.

[vallen]

They won with generational talents, they system really didn't matter. LeBron has made the finals as much as he has due to talent, primarily his own. Dirk had a real greatness to him that year he won, Carlisle hasn't exactly been winning much else though, didn't his system die?

Spo isn't either despite such "'systems".

they werent running a system ? and they won because of "generational talents" ? ok sure why not , nvm idc.

and I thought melo was supposed to be a guy who could win due to his talent ? isnt that why we got him ? he was the Franchise no ? so if he isnt, and hes just one of the guys, then maybe kellermans correct, no ?

How many titles does Carlisle have with his system? 1 and that was the year Dirk stepped up greatly in the playoffs. You brought this up, so I felt the need to respond.

As for your Melo reference, I say this everyday....just because you expect something, doesn't mean that's what it is or should be expected.

The issue is your expectations. You're expecting one man to win alone in a five on five game. Melo wasn't winning in Denver either.

Melo is "one" of the guys. Plenty of players have scored a lot and didn't win a title. You can go through nearly every decade and find one or two guys who primarily are scorers that didn't win for a variety of reasons. we've had three of them in the last 30 years, in Ewing, BK, and Melo.

All players need some help. The difference in Melo's case is he needs help that is better overall than he is.

those teams won because they played together, 4 quarters, on both sides of the ball, every game.

they didnt have a selfish player that callls off the coaches plays while hes shooting 7/25, and has other options on the team. Hes a career chemistry killer with his style of play. when you dominate the ball for 20 seconds a possesion, the other players arent going to respond. playy defense get rewarded, not play defense watch melo.

[god shammgod]

the melo isos are the coaches plays

[god shammgod]

also, in the final game of the 2011 nba finals - game 6 - dirk was 9-27

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201106120MIA.html

[vallen]

only in NY will somebody reference one game when talking about a players career.

[god shammgod]

only in NY will somebody reference one game when talking about a players career.

you just said they won because they didn't have a player who did that. well they did. on the night they won in fact. and dirk certainly didn't play no defense.

[vallen]

the melo isos are the coaches plays

im willing to bet if any one of melos coaches could truly discuss melo behind closed dorrs, they would tell you melos biggest weeknesses are knowing when ti iso, when to pass, and the ability to see (maybe ignore) the open man. and thats why no matter who we put next to him, its always going to look like a lost system.

[vallen]

only in NY will somebody reference one game when talking about a players career.

you just said they won because they didn't have a player who did that. well they did. on the night they won in fact. and dirk certainly didn't play no defense.

i said "those teams won because they played together, 4 quarters, on both sides of the ball, every game."

not sure what you referring. did i say nobody could have a bad shooting night ever ?

[god shammgod]

only in NY will somebody reference one game when talking about a players career.

you just said they won because they didn't have a player who did that. well they did. on the night they won in fact. and dirk certainly didn't play no defense.

i said "those teams won because they played together, 4 quarters, on both sides of the ball, every game."

not sure what you referring. did i say nobody could have a bad shooting night ever ?

and you followed that up with this

they didnt have a selfish player that callls off the coaches plays while hes shooting 7/25, and has other options on the team.