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Post#401 » by Dirk » Fri Nov 18, 2016 2:27 pm

SaintofKillers wrote:Saw Barnes's last few games and I thought it was funny that he was basically Dirk on offense.


He looks a lot like Carmelo.

While he has been outstanding, you want your offense to have more ball movement and not rely on isos. I am hoping Barnes continues to develop his offensive game, make his move faster while the defense isn't settled, attack the rim more, draw fouls, be more complete. Even if it is a slow process and it has its struggles... I hope that is the goal and a bad season like this one is a great opportunity to have him develop his weaknesses. Have him handle the ball more. Besides this, he only had 2 rebounds against the Celtics and the Mavs were outrebounded by 21 (!).

Considering how bad things are outside of him, his efficiency is incredible. It's one thing to "put stats on a bad team, it's another to be as efficient as he's been through 10 games". In the Boston game, this team could barely score, yet they dumped a ball to him and he carried them. If anything, considering how bad things are, he should be getting more shots. Curious to see if this team ever finds some stability, to see what he looks like in a team with more continuity and 'flow'.
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Re: Harrison Barnes 

Post#402 » by SaintofKillers » Fri Nov 18, 2016 4:34 pm

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SaintofKillers wrote:Saw Barnes's last few games and I thought it was funny that he was basically Dirk on offense.


He looks a lot like Carmelo. .


What I meant was we were running the same plays for him that we used to do for Dirk, not necessarily that he's Dirk-like.
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Re: Harrison Barnes 

Post#403 » by Dirk » Fri Nov 18, 2016 4:36 pm

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SaintofKillers wrote:Saw Barnes's last few games and I thought it was funny that he was basically Dirk on offense.


He looks a lot like Carmelo. .


What I meant was we were running the same plays for him that we used to do for Dirk, not necessarily that he's Dirk-like.

Yup, I knew what you meant. How deliberate we saw them trying to get the defense to switch a small on him.
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Re: Harrison Barnes 

Post#404 » by Texas Chuck » Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:08 pm

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We hope Curry, Powell, DFS, Hammons and Brussino can be long-term rotation compliments.

Then we draft our PG of the future and let that guy develop his game around Barnes.

If that all works out we have 3 long-term starters and 5 of the mandatory 8 bench players entering next season. Giving us only 5 holes to fill with FA and our high second rounder.

The hope; 2017

Center (Noel?)
Harrison Barnes
Justin Anderson
Shooting Guard (Better Wesley Matthews)
Rookie top 10 pick PG

6th Nowitzki
7th Curry
8th Barea
9th Finnley-Smith
10th Powell
11th Mejri
12th Hammons
13th Brussino

14th High Second Rounder
15th Camp Invite



This is really solid. I guess I have some real doubts about Anderson being able to be that SF, but this is a very reasonable plan.
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Re: Harrison Barnes 

Post#405 » by GrayJM » Sat Nov 26, 2016 5:36 am

Guys, I really believe in Barnes. I think next year he will really show what he can do if Dirk retires and he takes the reigns as the franchise player. He will look good this year, but he will really show who he is when the reigns are handed over to him, if they are smart enough to do it.
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Post#406 » by Suka Bongcic » Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:58 pm

GrayJM wrote:Guys, I really believe in Barnes. I think next year he will really show what he can do if Dirk retires and he takes the reigns as the franchise player. He will look good this year, but he will really show who he is when the reigns are handed over to him, if they are smart enough to do it.

I think he may average more points this year than any year going forward. His game will likely improve each year, but this is the year they need him to be the entire offense. Watching this team pass the ball is scary. No one on the team is a gifted passer at this stage. Their best chance is to iso Barnes on almost every play and let him do his thing. It's not a great way to develop a team, but if they don't want to tank, he's the only one that can bail them out. Offensively and defensively this is just an awful team at the moment.

This current mavs team is atrocious and in need of an influx of talent. Matthews' game has taken a nosedive. He acts like he's kobe out there chucking up shots. Deron Williams isn't cut out to be a starting pg. his defense is atrocious (same with barea and curry). The team defense looks way worse than it is because we can't stop PG penetration and so much help is needed. Dirk isn't dirk anymore. Great dude, decent player but he's so slow and is another reason the team defense is bad. Justin Anderson is an athlete. He's not a basketball player at this point after watching every game this season. Powell is a decent bench guy but can't defend anyone.

This team needs an impact PG that can create and defend. Markelle Fultz would be such an amazing addition to this squad. Just have to hope the lottery balls fall in our favor. We need it.
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Post#407 » by Mr B » Sat Nov 26, 2016 7:37 pm

GrayJM wrote:Guys, I really believe in Barnes. I think next year he will really show what he can do if Dirk retires and he takes the reigns as the franchise player. He will look good this year, but he will really show who he is when the reigns are handed over to him, if they are smart enough to do it.


I don't know that I view Barnes as franchise player. He's more Robin than Batman. He's good, don't get me wrong I just don't see him on that level. To me he's Michael Finley. Not in his style of play but same caliber of player.
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Re: Harrison Barnes 

Post#408 » by GrayJM » Sat Nov 26, 2016 8:15 pm

Mr B wrote:I don't know that I view Barnes as franchise player. He's more Robin than Batman. He's good, don't get me wrong I just don't see him on that level. To me he's Michael Finley. Not in his style of play but same caliber of player.
Paul George is not a franchise player either. He's a robin too. Barnes will need another star with him to be successful just like George does. Neither are a Lebron or Durant level player, but they are darn good ones.
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Re: Harrison Barnes 

Post#409 » by Dirk » Sun Nov 27, 2016 2:46 pm

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Mr B wrote:I don't know that I view Barnes as franchise player. He's more Robin than Batman. He's good, don't get me wrong I just don't see him on that level. To me he's Michael Finley. Not in his style of play but same caliber of player.
Paul George is not a franchise player either. He's a robin too. Barnes will need another star with him to be successful just like George does. Neither are a Lebron or Durant level player, but they are darn good ones.

If you don't consider George a franchise player, then your list must be very selective. Who do you have asfranchise players?
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Post#410 » by Darren » Sun Nov 27, 2016 5:59 pm

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GrayJM wrote:Guys, I really believe in Barnes. I think next year he will really show what he can do if Dirk retires and he takes the reigns as the franchise player. He will look good this year, but he will really show who he is when the reigns are handed over to him, if they are smart enough to do it.


I don't know that I view Barnes as franchise player. He's more Robin than Batman. He's good, don't get me wrong I just don't see him on that level. To me he's Michael Finley. Not in his style of play but same caliber of player.


Me, too. I think Josh Jackson and Mark Fultz are better go-to guy. I think highly of Josh. But I wonder if he can play SG effectively.
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Post#411 » by Darren » Sun Nov 27, 2016 6:00 pm

I am also okay with some of those PGs.
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Post#412 » by Darren » Sun Nov 27, 2016 6:00 pm

We're not eligible to trade the pick of 2017 anyway. If we make a trade, it's likely 2018's or 2020's.
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Post#413 » by jpengland » Sun Nov 27, 2016 6:11 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
Roddy B for 3 wrote:
We hope Curry, Powell, DFS, Hammons and Brussino can be long-term rotation compliments.

Then we draft our PG of the future and let that guy develop his game around Barnes.

If that all works out we have 3 long-term starters and 5 of the mandatory 8 bench players entering next season. Giving us only 5 holes to fill with FA and our high second rounder.

The hope; 2017

Center (Noel?)
Harrison Barnes
Justin Anderson
Shooting Guard (Better Wesley Matthews)
Rookie top 10 pick PG

6th Nowitzki
7th Curry
8th Barea
9th Finnley-Smith
10th Powell
11th Mejri
12th Hammons
13th Brussino

14th High Second Rounder
15th Camp Invite



This is really solid. I guess I have some real doubts about Anderson being able to be that SF, but this is a very reasonable plan.


Agree on Anderso ,I see him more as an energy bench player going forward.

I don't really see any rotation guys in our youngsters, Hammons, Brussino and F-S are never going to amount to serious rotation players IMO. Curry is what he is, and that's difficult to put on court with much frequency as he's an undersized streaky SG.

Barnes, possibly Anderson and Powell are the only guys I'm really interested in going forward.

Try and turn Bogut into a 2017 first and swing for the fences on a high ceiling guy in the mid to late first.

Draft BPA with our likely top 8 pick, but yeah lots of good PGs.

Suck.again next year for another high pick and just keep adding young talent.

I'd definitely throw a max at Noel. I'd happily overpay for some talented young players.

God I hope Dirk retires this summer so we can fully embrace a rebuild. He's getting NOTHING positive by keeping playing.
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Post#414 » by JamesConway » Sun Nov 27, 2016 6:19 pm

Darren wrote:We're not eligible to trade the pick of 2017 anyway. If we make a trade, it's likely 2018's or 2020's.

Mavs can trade their 2017 1st. We don't owe anybody a future pick right now:
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Post#415 » by Mr B » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:01 pm

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GrayJM wrote:Guys, I really believe in Barnes. I think next year he will really show what he can do if Dirk retires and he takes the reigns as the franchise player. He will look good this year, but he will really show who he is when the reigns are handed over to him, if they are smart enough to do it.


I don't know that I view Barnes as franchise player. He's more Robin than Batman. He's good, don't get me wrong I just don't see him on that level. To me he's Michael Finley. Not in his style of play but same caliber of player.


Me, too. I think Josh Jackson and Mark Fultz are better go-to guy. I think highly of Josh. But I wonder if he can play SG effectively.


Is Josh Jackson being projected as a SG or SF? Everything I've seen says SF.
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Re: Harrison Barnes 

Post#416 » by GrayJM » Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:56 am

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Mr B wrote:I don't know that I view Barnes as franchise player. He's more Robin than Batman. He's good, don't get me wrong I just don't see him on that level. To me he's Michael Finley. Not in his style of play but same caliber of player.
Paul George is not a franchise player either. He's a robin too. Barnes will need another star with him to be successful just like George does. Neither are a Lebron or Durant level player, but they are darn good ones.

If you don't consider George a franchise player, then your list must be very selective. Who do you have asfranchise players?
Being from Indiana I watch Paul George a lot, and he is a good player. But he is not a player who can lead a team to wins as the best player. It may have seemed like it a few years ago, but he hasn't been as good of late, and the Pacers are playing much better without him. A few years ago he looked like a future franchise player, but he's fools gold. I don't know if the injury did it or not, I don't think it did, I just think that the defense on that the ECF team(s) is what made the team good. And though PG is a part of that, he just doesn't qualify for me as a franchise player.
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Re: Harrison Barnes 

Post#417 » by FNQ » Tue Nov 29, 2016 9:28 pm

Black Falcon wrote:This team needs an impact PG that can create and defend. Markelle Fultz would be such an amazing addition to this squad. Just have to hope the lottery balls fall in our favor. We need it.


Dunno if you took this idea from me or if we're on the exact same page but so much yes. Fultz as a lead option with Dirk/Mathews/Barnes fighting over the #2 option on a game to game basis works on so many levels. It's easily the best fit looking at the top of draft boards now.

I'm a huge Cuban fan so I'm always rooting for the guy.. and Fultz just makes far too much sense
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Re: Harrison Barnes 

Post#418 » by Jinra » Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:02 pm

I agree that Fultz might make a lot of sense for the Mavericks, but I have always been a big believer in not drafting for need in any sport. You always take the absolute best player available. You sign and trade for need. I believe your potential can be maximized 1000x over by drafting the absolute best and hauling in packages for the excess when the time comes.

Disclaimer: In football that only applies to the first 2 rounds that you take the best available.

Disclaimer 2: I don't know how the hell they evaluate talent in baseball, so that one doesn't count. I mean, they draft to hold players in minors for 4-5 years. What!?!?!?

Disclaimer 3: In hockey.... :crazy: ..........forget it.
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Post#419 » by FNQ » Tue Nov 29, 2016 11:36 pm

I should clarify I think he's both the #1 prospect and by far the best fit here. I think Dennis Smith would wind up as a fine consolation prize.. if I were drafting they'd go 1+2, with Josh Jackson being right there with Smith.
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Post#420 » by N8N » Thu Dec 1, 2016 8:11 am

Fultz is projected to be the first pick. And fills our direst need. So yes, we should pick him if we get top pick. Big if.

His game reminds me of Brandon Roy. Smooth scoring guard with decent playmaking abilities. He mixes the penetration with the outside shots. Seems to have solid BBIQ and paces well.

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