Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion

jcsunsfan · Post #1101 » by **jcsunsfan** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 12:34 am

OK. The place where this team might need to make the biggest improvement is. . . pg. Bledsoe is injury prone. Knight is not a pg, neither is Booker. Ulis is a bench guy at this point.

SC923 · Post #1102 » by **SC923** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 1:34 am

Kieff just picked up two fouls within ten seconds, proceeded to get a technical, cursed out a ref, got a second tech and was thrown out.

Zelaznyrules · Post #1103 » by **Zelaznyrules** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 2:01 am

jcsunsfan wrote:OK. The place where this team might need to make the biggest improvement is. . . pg. Bledsoe is injury prone. Knight is not a pg, neither is Booker. Ulis is a bench guy at this point.

I think it's power forward. Unless you're ignoring that position because you believe in Chriss or Bender? I know he's not yet ready to be an every day player but I do believe in Bender. I just don't know what position he'll play. I wish I could say I believe in Chriss but I can't remember a player with his complete lack of game awareness that ever amounted to anything. As for Ulis, I don't know why his mistakes and weaknesses relegate him to backup or bench guy for so many here but the same and even worse mistakes by our other guards are looked at differently. He gets stuck playing with some of the worst players on our team and we still usually see more team ball while he's playing that at any other point of the game.

Blackification · Post #1104 » by **Blackification** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 3:02 am

jcsunsfan wrote:OK. The place where this team might need to make the biggest improvement is. . . pg. Bledsoe is injury prone. Knight is not a pg, neither is Booker. Ulis is a bench guy at this point.

I've felt this way since Dragic left. Even before that, Bledsoe just can't be the ball distributor on offense, he isn't good enough to be the first initiator of the offense, he could be the secondary to a guy like Harden or Lebron. We need a real point guard or someone who makes the people around them better. That's what our team has been lacking, we have individually talented players but they don't fit with eachother.

Zelaznyrules · Post #1105 » by **Zelaznyrules** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 3:14 am

Blackification wrote:
jcsunsfan wrote:OK. The place where this team might need to make the biggest improvement is. . . pg. Bledsoe is injury prone. Knight is not a pg, neither is Booker. Ulis is a bench guy at this point.

I've felt this way since Dragic left. Even before that, Bledsoe just can't be the ball distributor on offense, he isn't good enough to be the first initiator of the offense, he could be the secondary to a guy like Harden or Lebron. We need a real point guard or someone who makes the people around them better. That's what our team has been lacking, we have individually talented players but they don't fit with eachother.

With the exception of a few games this season, we've been absolutely dominated at the 3 and 4 spots for a couple of years now. And, more often than not, we're on the minus side at the 5 spot too. If Bledsoe was truly our weak area, I think we'd have have set records in the loss column during that time. He does some things better than an average point guard, some things worse. IMO, with his defense continuing to slide I'm more than willing to move on from him but he isn't our problem, he just isn't our solution either.

nevetsov · Post #1106 » by **nevetsov** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 3:57 am

Just get 'er done already.

Knight and Tucker to ORL
Hezonja and Jeff Green (exp) to PHX

Flip Green for an expiring vet PG and change, and call it a day.

OGBAH · Post #1107 » by **OGBAH** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 4:28 am

Mario is Croatian like Bender maybe they could help each other get acclimated to the NBA

YouTube · Post #1108 » by **Kerrsed** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 9:31 am

If that were to hold true, the Suns could reach out to the Philadelphia 76ers regarding power forward Nerlens Noel. According to The Sixers Sense, Noel is the frontcourt player the 76ers will move if a trade is made.

There are few doable NBA trades that could happen which makes more sense than a Brandon Knight and Nerlens Noel swap. The Suns need a younger version of Tyson Chandler. The 76ers are in need of a point guard and scorer. There is a match that could be had if both teams wanted something to happen.

While the Suns did add a couple of post players in the NBA draft in Marquese Chriss and Dragan Bender, they both are a year or two away from being able to contribute. Adding Noel to the mix would give the Suns an immediate starter. One who can pair up with Alex Len as a duo of rim protectors. Noel showed flashes of an offensive game last season. He is the odd man out in Philadelphia.
A similiar situation is taking place with the Phoenix Suns.

Brandon Knight has played primarily in a reserve role this season. He has struggled thus far. The struggles are not exclusive to this season, Knight has had trouble since he was traded to the Suns. Not only is Brandon Knight the odd man out in Phoenix, he has never fit with the Suns’ offense.

Knight needs to have the basketball in his hands to be effective. The Suns already have Eric Bledsoe in place. Plus, Devin Booker also handles the basketball. The Suns’ use for Knight is minimal these days. They would be better off looking to get something for him in a trade.

http://www.inquisitr.com/3746867/nba-trade-rumors-phoenix-suns-to-field-trade-overtures-for-brandon-knight/

Yes its from the "Inquisitr" which never provides any real news, and they got the "info" from a Sixers blog, but im posting it anyways becasue I would be ecstatic to do Knight for Noel straight up.

Zelaznyrules · Post #1109 » by **Zelaznyrules** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 9:44 am

Kerrsed wrote:Yes its from the "Inquisitr" which never provides any real news, and they got the infor from a Sixers blog, but im posting it anyways becasue I would be ecstatic to do Knight for Noel straight up.

I just can't understand why anyone would be ecstatic about anything to do with Noel? He reportedly wants a big contract and I just don't think we would even consider doing that so you're basically saying you'd be ecstatic to trade Knight for a few months of a very flawed Noel. I guess I could see justification in someone saying "I'd be ecstatic if we could get rid of Knight without assuming any longterm obligation" but I suspect that's not where you coming from.

So, if we made the trade that would make you happy, do you really think we'd give him the kind of contract Philly was unwilling to offer?

Post #1110 » by **batsmasher** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 10:17 am

Zelaznyrules wrote:
Kerrsed wrote:Yes its from the "Inquisitr" which never provides any real news, and they got the infor from a Sixers blog, but im posting it anyways becasue I would be ecstatic to do Knight for Noel straight up.

I just can't understand why anyone would be ecstatic about anything to do with Noel? He reportedly wants a big contract and I just don't think we would even consider doing that so you're basically saying you'd be ecstatic to trade Knight for a few months of a very flawed Noel. I guess I could see justification in someone saying "I'd be ecstatic if we could get rid of Knight without assuming any longterm obligation" but I suspect that's not where you coming from.

So, if we made the trade that would make you happy, do you really think we'd give him the kind of contract Philly was unwilling to offer?

Let me break down how the trade thread works:

If they're a Suns player, they're bad
Conversely, all players not on the Suns are better than you think
Ryan McD is an idiot for not listening to our suggestions
We suck, but if we did this trade we'd be less sucky

NavLDO · Post #1111 » by **NavLDO** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 4:45 pm

Saberestar wrote:One player that I want is Richaun Holmes. I think he is gonna be a tremendous defender in this league, if he progress a little more offensively he can be similar to Ibaka.

Knight for Holmes can be a good trade for both sides.

I'm on board, but doubt the Sixers would take that, unless we offered a pick. I know Richaun hasn't lit up the stat board yet, but I read an article a couple of months back on how much the Sixers FO liked Holmes.

Dambo · Post #1112 » by **Dambo** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 4:50 pm

When is the deadline?

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #1113 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 5:18 pm

Dambo wrote:When is the deadline?

Tomorrow.

NavLDO · Post #1114 » by **NavLDO** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 5:40 pm

Blackification wrote:
jcsunsfan wrote:OK. The place where this team might need to make the biggest improvement is. . . pg. Bledsoe is injury prone. Knight is not a pg, neither is Booker. Ulis is a bench guy at this point.

I've felt this way since Dragic left. Even before that, Bledsoe just can't be the ball distributor on offense, he isn't good enough to be the first initiator of the offense, he could be the secondary to a guy like Harden or Lebron. We need a real point guard or someone who makes the people around them better. That's what our team has been lacking, we have individually talented players but they don't fit with eachother.

And that's what is just so frustrating about him. He's a really good 'player', but he's not a good 'PG'. I want to say that he has the game of a SF, stuck in, what is already a marginally-sized PG body. He plays good defense, he rebounds well, he drives the lane well, he's strong, he's fearless, he's not afraid to mix it up, and he has good instincts inside/down low. Problem is, he's 6'1" ; about 6-7" too short to play SF. But the bottom line is, he's not a good distributor. He did have 10 assts last gm, and a couple of 8-assist games, but too often, it's of the 5 and 6 asst per gm variety; he just does not know how to get the rest of the players into the offense as well as he should. I almost look at Bledsoe as 'fool's gold'. He puts up great stats defensively, and shooting, etc., but at the expense of the rest of the tem, at times.

I just do not think if we go forward with Bledsoe as our 'PG of the Future', that our team will reach the heights it can. That's why I'd be willing to trade Bledsoe (and Knight, of course), before the deadline, for a more traditional, if not less talented player, at PG, and some other 'prize'. Let some other team figure it out, and let's put Ulis, (or the PG we trade for) out at PG for the remainder of the season and see what we have before we go into the draft.

Just an idea, is all. Maybe a fan here that watches more than I do can shed some light on whether I'm way off base here, or not??

carey · Post #1115 » by **carey** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 6:51 pm

Dambo wrote:When is the deadline?

Trade deadline? February 23rd at 3p.m. EST.

NavLDO · Post #1116 » by **NavLDO** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:23 pm

Kerrsed wrote:
If that were to hold true, the Suns could reach out to the Philadelphia 76ers regarding power forward Nerlens Noel. According to The Sixers Sense, Noel is the frontcourt player the 76ers will move if a trade is made.

There are few doable NBA trades that could happen which makes more sense than a Brandon Knight and Nerlens Noel swap. The Suns need a younger version of Tyson Chandler. The 76ers are in need of a point guard and scorer. There is a match that could be had if both teams wanted something to happen.

While the Suns did add a couple of post players in the NBA draft in Marquese Chriss and Dragan Bender, they both are a year or two away from being able to contribute. Adding Noel to the mix would give the Suns an immediate starter. One who can pair up with Alex Len as a duo of rim protectors. Noel showed flashes of an offensive game last season. He is the odd man out in Philadelphia.
A similiar situation is taking place with the Phoenix Suns.

Brandon Knight has played primarily in a reserve role this season. He has struggled thus far. The struggles are not exclusive to this season, Knight has had trouble since he was traded to the Suns. Not only is Brandon Knight the odd man out in Phoenix, he has never fit with the Suns’ offense.

Knight needs to have the basketball in his hands to be effective. The Suns already have Eric Bledsoe in place. Plus, Devin Booker also handles the basketball. The Suns’ use for Knight is minimal these days. They would be better off looking to get something for him in a trade.

http://www.inquisitr.com/3746867/nba-trade-rumors-phoenix-suns-to-field-trade-overtures-for-brandon-knight/

Yes its from the "Inquisitr" which never provides any real news, and they got the "info" from a Sixers blog, but im posting it anyways becasue I would be ecstatic to do Knight for Noel straight up.

LOL...do the authors not understand how much better an NBA player Nerlens Noel is over Brandon Knight? The way that is worded, it's all just a matter of Knight needing to be the primary ball handler to 'fix' his game, and everything will be honky-dory! :lol:

Ummmm...Okay...sure, yeah!

Frank Lee · Post #1117 » by **Frank Lee** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:15 am

carey wrote:
Dambo wrote:When is the deadline?

Trade deadline? February 23rd at 3p.m. EST.

That's a long time for the stew pot to be on the stove

carey · Post #1118 » by **carey** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 5:00 am

Frank Lee wrote:
carey wrote:Trade deadline? February 23rd at 3p.m. EST.

That's a long time for the stew pot to be on the stove

Oh yeah. I expect moves way before then. Don't you?

Blackification · Post #1119 » by **Blackification** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 6:23 am

carey wrote:
Frank Lee wrote:
carey wrote:Trade deadline? February 23rd at 3p.m. EST.

That's a long time for the stew pot to be on the stove

Oh yeah. I expect moves way before then. Don't you?

Those moves should have been made before the season started so I dont think he will do **** til the deadline, like ever year he has been GM

JoRain · Post #1120 » by **JoRain** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 8:53 am

If Suns really don't start winning (go on a streak) and show they can compete, McD can pull a trade before deadline. Also seeing how bad Knight is. But I really don't see him going after Noel, especially since Suns medical staff didn't sign off on his knees when he was drafted. despite his play, that risk hasn't gone away. Then again, if Suns get high pick this year (which is PG heavy) and play for the future, they really don't need much of a long term investment coming back. If Suns want Chriss and Bender to succeed, they need to give them minutes and need to accept that they will suck for a while.