Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion

Garden Of Edens · Post #1121 » by **Garden Of Edens** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:07 pm

Bucks fan here, we'll take your garbage if you take ours. Knight and Chandler for Monroe, Plumlee and Vaughn??

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #1122 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:34 pm

Garden Of Edens wrote:Bucks fan here, we'll take your garbage if you take ours. Knight and Chandler for Monroe, Plumlee and Vaughn??

Our garbage stinks less. No thanks.

King4Day · Post #1123 » by **King4Day** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:39 pm

I would do that Knight / Noel trade if it was on the table.

Noel may want a ton of money but that's were we can play the restricted free agency to our advantage. Let a team offer him something and we can decide to match or not. If he didn't prove he's worth it over the possible few months with us this season, then just either let him walk or try to work out a deal with the team for a trade.

King4Day · Post #1124 » by **King4Day** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:42 pm

I think we have a couple of more weeks before we really know whether or not we will call in this season and play Bender and Ulis more on top of Chriss.
If we do have a firesale, the only vets I don't want to trade would be Chandler and Dudley. We got them to be leaders and unless the return is just too great, it doesn't pay to trade them.

I think Barbosa will be dealt this season too. His contract is really valuable and he's probably worth more than what he's making. Not to mention the 2nd year isn't guaranteed .

kennydorglas · Post #1125 » by **kennydorglas** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:53 pm

Yeah, we cant afford to lose Len for nothing at all.
You can trade him or pay him... that's not other way around

ruckus · Post #1126 » by **ruckus** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:24 pm

What are your guys thoughts on Jonas Valanciunas? According to our (The Raptors) board, he's severely underutilized on the offensive end. As is, he's a borderline all-star who's above average offensively and average to below average defensively.

Would Chandler, Warren and one of your 2017 1st be too much of a return for Jonas?

He's young enough that he can grow with your core of Bledsoe and Booker but, I'm also not sure if Phoenix's backcourt heavy offense would allow Jonas to grow either.

Barkley_34 · Post #1127 » by **Barkley_34** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:29 pm

ruckus wrote:What are your guys thoughts on Jonas Valanciunas? According to our (The Raptors) board, he's severely underutilized on the offensive end. As is, he's a borderline all-star who's above average offensively and average to below average defensively.

Would Chandler, Warren and one of your 2017 1st be too much of a return for Jonas?

He's young enough that he can grow with your core of Bledsoe and Booker but, I'm also not sure if Phoenix's backcourt heavy offense would allow Jonas to grow either.

Warren? No

Saberestar · Post #1128 » by **Saberestar** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:32 pm

ruckus wrote:What are your guys thoughts on Jonas Valanciunas? According to our (The Raptors) board, he's severely underutilized on the offensive end. As is, he's a borderline all-star who's above average offensively and average to below average defensively.

Would Chandler, Warren and one of your 2017 1st be too much of a return for Jonas?

He's young enough that he can grow with your core of Bledsoe and Booker but, I'm also not sure if Phoenix's backcourt heavy offense would allow Jonas to grow either.

Warren?? No, thank you.

ruckus · Post #1129 » by **ruckus** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:45 pm

Barkley_34 wrote:
ruckus wrote:What are your guys thoughts on Jonas Valanciunas? According to our (The Raptors) board, he's severely underutilized on the offensive end. As is, he's a borderline all-star who's above average offensively and average to below average defensively.

Would Chandler, Warren and one of your 2017 1st be too much of a return for Jonas?

He's young enough that he can grow with your core of Bledsoe and Booker but, I'm also not sure if Phoenix's backcourt heavy offense would allow Jonas to grow either.

Warren? No

Any specific reason why? Is it based on potential or current production? Jonas has 2 years of NBA experience on Warren but is only about 1.5 years older.

Post #1130 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:48 pm

ruckus wrote:
Barkley_34 wrote:
ruckus wrote:What are your guys thoughts on Jonas Valanciunas? According to our (The Raptors) board, he's severely underutilized on the offensive end. As is, he's a borderline all-star who's above average offensively and average to below average defensively.

Would Chandler, Warren and one of your 2017 1st be too much of a return for Jonas?

He's young enough that he can grow with your core of Bledsoe and Booker but, I'm also not sure if Phoenix's backcourt heavy offense would allow Jonas to grow either.

Warren? No

Any specific reason why? Is it based on potential or current production? Jonas has 2 years of NBA experience on Warren but is only about 1.5 years older.

Warren is probably the best Suns player right now when you combine current production with future potential, and we have two solid centers right now. I don't even know if many Suns fans would trade Warren straight up for Jonas.

Post #1131 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:48 pm

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ruckus · Post #1132 » by **ruckus** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 5:08 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
ruckus wrote:
Barkley_34 wrote:
Warren? No

Any specific reason why? Is it based on potential or current production? Jonas has 2 years of NBA experience on Warren but is only about 1.5 years older.

Warren is probably the best Suns player right now when you combine current production with future potential, and we have two solid centers right now. I don't even know if many Suns fans would trade Warren straight up for Jonas.

Fair enough although I think Jonas would be a huge upgrade offensively over Chandler/Len. A Jonas/Len pairing would give the Suns the flexibility to go offense/defense similar to what the Raps did last year with the Val/Biyombo pairing.

Post #1133 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 5:17 pm

ruckus wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
ruckus wrote:
Any specific reason why? Is it based on potential or current production? Jonas has 2 years of NBA experience on Warren but is only about 1.5 years older.

Warren is probably the best Suns player right now when you combine current production with future potential, and we have two solid centers right now. I don't even know if many Suns fans would trade Warren straight up for Jonas.

Fair enough although I think Jonas would be a huge upgrade offensively over Chandler/Len. A Jonas/Len pairing would give the Suns the flexibility to go offense/defense similar to what the Raps did last year with the Val/Biyombo pairing.

True, but offense isn't our problem (unless we don't have Warren) but defense is a big problem. Chandler also has expressed he doesn't want to be traded and has kind of become a mentor for the young guys. Whether that means they won't trade him barring a major deal , I'm not sure. He may want to go to a contender though. I still don't think Phx would part with Warren. If you'd take Tucker, by all means, that works just fine.

Also, I'm not saying all Suns fans are completely rational about Warren's value, but most of us are pretty high on him.

ruckus · Post #1134 » by **ruckus** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 5:45 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
ruckus wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Warren is probably the best Suns player right now when you combine current production with future potential, and we have two solid centers right now. I don't even know if many Suns fans would trade Warren straight up for Jonas.

Fair enough although I think Jonas would be a huge upgrade offensively over Chandler/Len. A Jonas/Len pairing would give the Suns the flexibility to go offense/defense similar to what the Raps did last year with the Val/Biyombo pairing.

True, but offense isn't our problem (unless we don't have Warren) but defense is a big problem. Chandler also has expressed he doesn't want to be traded and has kind of become a mentor for the young guys. Whether that means they won't trade him barring a major deal , I'm not sure. He may want to go to a contender though. I still don't think Phx would part with Warren. If you'd take Tucker, by all means, that works just fine.

Also, I'm not saying all Suns fans are completely rational about Warren's value, but most of us are pretty high on him.

Most fans are irrational about their own players' values. Small sample size but, Phoenix's offense is 25th in the league in terms of efficiency and that's been on a pretty weak schedule. And although you guys run the fastest pace in the L, the Suns are just 10th in PPG. I guess a bigger need for the Suns is at PG? Would Delon Wright move the needle any?

King4Day · Post #1135 » by **King4Day** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 5:53 pm

It'd be hard to validate trading for Jonas. While the trade idea you suggested is probably close to fair (more moving parts would be needed for sure), but the Suns aren't close to winning and Valanciunas wouldn't move the needle enough. It would just place a new need at the SF position.

While it's a small sample size, TJ Warren has been the biggest bright spot for Phoenix this season. If he returns and stays healthy, he's going to be in the running for 'come back player of the year'.

King4Day · Post #1136 » by **King4Day** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 5:55 pm

bwgood77 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

That's pretty scary. Could be a very ugly next few weeks. I think we'll take a couple of them and compete in others, but this could spell our season.

Post #1137 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 6:02 pm

ruckus wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
ruckus wrote:
Fair enough although I think Jonas would be a huge upgrade offensively over Chandler/Len. A Jonas/Len pairing would give the Suns the flexibility to go offense/defense similar to what the Raps did last year with the Val/Biyombo pairing.

True, but offense isn't our problem (unless we don't have Warren) but defense is a big problem. Chandler also has expressed he doesn't want to be traded and has kind of become a mentor for the young guys. Whether that means they won't trade him barring a major deal , I'm not sure. He may want to go to a contender though. I still don't think Phx would part with Warren. If you'd take Tucker, by all means, that works just fine.

Also, I'm not saying all Suns fans are completely rational about Warren's value, but most of us are pretty high on him.

Most fans are irrational about their own players' values. Small sample size but, Phoenix's offense is 25th in the league in terms of efficiency and that's been on a pretty weak schedule. And although you guys run the fastest pace in the L, the Suns are just 10th in PPG. I guess a bigger need for the Suns is at PG? Would Delon Wright move the needle any?

Yes, we do need a PG who distributes the ball to get others involved more, because they end up trying to do everything themselves more often than not, which isn't good overall for the team having an efficient offense. I think, in time, as Booker and Warren get more acclimated (first year starters) and they get more involved in the offense on a nightly basis (which they both did to start the year) and then Booker got injured and now Warren.

We also need to get rid of Knight. I don't think Wright helps us as I'd prefer just play Ulis who is a great distributor usually.

nevetsov · Post #1138 » by **nevetsov** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 6:55 pm

Just read that Vogel started Augustin over Payton in ORL because he wanted to start the game with the ball in Fournier's hands more, By pairing him with a 3PT shooting PG.

We better be making calls.

Also, if we can't find a taker for PJ after yesterday, we aren't finding one.

Zelaznyrules · Post #1139 » by **Zelaznyrules** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 7:12 pm

bwgood77 wrote:Yes, we do need a PG who distributes the ball to get others involved more, because they end up trying to do everything themselves more often than not, which isn't good overall for the team having an efficient offense. I think, in time, as Booker and Warren get more acclimated (first year starters) and they get more involved in the offense on a nightly basis (which they both did to start the year) and then Booker got injured and now Warren.

We also need to get rid of Knight. I don't think Wright helps us as I'd prefer just play Ulis who is a great distributor usually.

Until we stop playing any combination of our non-scorers, I don't see any point guard succeeding here. I know we all worship Nash but I'm not even sure he'd survive in the half court offense with this group. You can afford one stiff, you can't have multiples out there at the same time. We always have at least 2 and frequently 3 players that the defense can safely ignore. I'd like to try something like Ulis, Bledsoe, Booker, Bender and Chandler to see if we could survive the size disadvantage, at least it would give us 4 legit perimeter threats. In a well spread court, all 3 of our wing players would be able to drive and dish (maybe 4 of them depending on Bender's matchup).

We do need to get rid of Knight but more importantly, we really need to get rid of the idea that Knight and Barbosa can play together.

jcsunsfan · Post #1140 » by **jcsunsfan** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 7:39 pm

nevetsov wrote:Just read that Vogel started Augustin over Payton in ORL because he wanted to start the game with the ball in Fournier's hands more, By pairing him with a 3PT shooting PG.

We better be making calls.

Also, if we can't find a taker for PJ after yesterday, we aren't finding one.

For Payton? No thanks.