Brooklyn Nets 2016-17 season Pick Watch Thread

[KGboss]

Miami will probably win the lottery. Just how it goes.

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[Captain_Caveman]

Miami will probably win the lottery. Just how it goes.

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I have a different take how the lottery goes. It's been the biggest collection of basketball wastelands, weak franchises and loser cities imaginable.

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[Gomes3PC]

Everybody chill out.

They got this.

R-E-L-A-X

[chrisab123]

All I know is if the Celtics get the #1 they are going with whoever has the worst jump shot. Right now its probably Jackson. That's just the way Danny Ainge builds his teams. Have an offensive PG and the rest defense...

[Banks2Pierce]

All I know is if the Celtics get the #1 they are going with whoever has the worst jump shot. Right now its probably Jackson. That's just the way Danny Ainge builds his teams. Have an offensive PG and the rest defense...

Danny Ainge has drafted about 60 guys at all positions and ages and countries at this point. You can't really make sweeping generalizations anymore because there are enough players to craft any argument.

A team I'm actually concerned about is Orlando. Wouldn't be surprised to see a Hennigan sacking and a sell off of players. They're a mess. Easy schedule and some luck the only reasons they have 6 wins right now. I'm looking at it as them doing a switcheroo with the Lakers so it's a net neutral.

[Dannyboy36]

I'm just rooting for the nets to be dead last and expecting the 3rd pick. I know we could get 4th but I'm choosing to think 3rd.

[Gomes3PC]

The Heat might be the team that gets the worst record. They're not making the playoffs, it's easy for them to lose by just DNPing Whiteside, Pat Riley is smart enough to know this and covets stars, and he's been rumored to be diabolical.

It all depends on how they decide to play it.

How great would it be if we get to see Riley standing up there like a shmuck at the lottery as the Miami rep after a tank year, only to see the Nets ping pong balls give us the #1 pick ahead of them?

The Ainge/Riley feud is just great, and Ainge winning the lotto with another team's pick ahead of Riley would be a great jab.

[chrisab123]

All I know is if the Celtics get the #1 they are going with whoever has the worst jump shot. Right now its probably Jackson. That's just the way Danny Ainge builds his teams. Have an offensive PG and the rest defense...

Danny Ainge has drafted about 60 guys at all positions and ages and countries at this point. You can't really make sweeping generalizations anymore because there are enough players to craft any argument.

A team I'm actually concerned about is Orlando. Wouldn't be surprised to see a Hennigan sacking and a sell off of players. They're a mess. Easy schedule and some luck the only reasons they have 6 wins right now. I'm looking at it as them doing a switcheroo with the Lakers so it's a net neutral.

We can come to a general conclusion from the Stevens era though. Danny Ainge prefers athletic wings that can play D and have broken jumpers. Smart and Brown were his last two lottery picks. Both fine players to have on a team but these are the guys who would be good to take at 10 or lower not 6 and 3 respectively. Now hopefully I'm wrong about Brown. Probably not wrong about Marcus. Maybe he's attempting to make up for the idiotic decision to pass on the Greek Freak for KO by going after Brown. Maybe he's trying to get a defensive stopper for when Bradley ends up leaving in Smart. I have no clue. But his drafting has been very lackluster at this point. I'm even willing to give a pass on Greek Freak because that draft was so awful that getting a rotation player is a win. But passing on Randle was an awful move and the jury is out on Brown.

Mark it down. If the Celtics get a top 3 pick and Jackson is the worst offensive player out of the top 5 then he will be the pick. Whether the pick is 1 or lower.

[SMTBSI]

All I know is if the Celtics get the #1 they are going with whoever has the worst jump shot. Right now its probably Jackson. That's just the way Danny Ainge builds his teams. Have an offensive PG and the rest defense...

Danny Ainge has drafted about 60 guys at all positions and ages and countries at this point. You can't really make sweeping generalizations anymore because there are enough players to craft any argument.

You would think that, from recent memory alone, Olynyk, Young and Hunter would be enough to nix this narrative. (Not that any of them are lighting the league up offensively, but they definitely didn't get drafted because they were defensive stalwarts.)

[Banks2Pierce]

We can come to a general conclusion from the Stevens era though.

Olynyk
Smart
Young
Rozier
Hunter
Mickey
Brown
Yabu
Zizic

Those guys have basically nothing in common. Young and Hunter are probably the closest as 'shooters' with skinny frames and questionable D, but that goes directly against your initial argument.

[chrisab123]

All I know is if the Celtics get the #1 they are going with whoever has the worst jump shot. Right now its probably Jackson. That's just the way Danny Ainge builds his teams. Have an offensive PG and the rest defense...

Danny Ainge has drafted about 60 guys at all positions and ages and countries at this point. You can't really make sweeping generalizations anymore because there are enough players to craft any argument.

You would think that, from recent memory alone, Olynyk, Young and Hunter would be enough to nix this narrative. (Not that any of them are lighting the league up offensively, but they definitely didn't get drafted because they were defensive stalwarts.)

You can't bring a conclusion from players drafted 18th and 28th respectively. I might be wrong on Hunters position but you get the idea. My point being is that if the pick is high we know where he's going and who he will go with. I personally think the picks of Smart and Brown are directly tied to picking KO over Giannis. Kind of a mulligan deal. The best course of action for Ainge is to trade this pick ASAP for a star.

[Banks2Pierce]

My point being is that if the pick is high we know where he's going and who he will go with.

Everyone said this is why he was going to draft Dunn last year. There is a coherent argument you can make with Danny Ainge's drafting post Bradley, but this ain't it.

[chrisab123]

We can come to a general conclusion from the Stevens era though.

Olynyk - The draft itself was a pickem. Passed on Greek Freak and spent the next 2 drafts trying to make up for it.
Smart - No jump shot
Young - Was seen as a reach when drafted. Not a polished offensive player coming out of college. Hood was easily the better choice
Rozier - Was not seen as an offensive player. More of an unknown coming out of college
Hunter - Late 1st but sure
Mickey - 2nd rounder
Brown - No jump shot
Yabu - Draft and Stash to enable signing 2 Max players
Zizic - Draft and Stash to enable signing 2 Max players

Those guys have basically nothing in common. Young and Hunter are probably the closest as 'shooters' with skinny frames and questionable D, but that goes directly against your initial argument.

I put my notes next to those names. Yabu and Zizic throw out since those were two draft and stash players. Neither guy is a polished offensive player. Brown and Smart had no offensive game. Rozier is borderline but I do think out of all the picks he could be the closest thing to an offensive game changer. Young was not polished offensively in college and If you're going to add 2nd rounders to the mix might as well add Bentl and Nader too.

[chrisab123]

My point being is that if the pick is high we know where he's going and who he will go with.

Everyone said this is why he was going to draft Dunn last year. There is a coherent argument you can make with Danny Ainge's drafting post Bradley, but this ain't it.

Dunn is an offensive player. He never fit the mold of what Danny was looking for unless a trade was in play. The emphasis is defense from the wings. Dunn is not a defensive wizard like Smart. He would be redundant on the Celtics. Smart was drafted to replace Bradley and Brown was drafted so Ainge could try and find a Giannis clone. Jackson will be a Celtic if he's on the board. Book it.

[SMTBSI]

Danny Ainge has drafted about 60 guys at all positions and ages and countries at this point. You can't really make sweeping generalizations anymore because there are enough players to craft any argument.

You would think that, from recent memory alone, Olynyk, Young and Hunter would be enough to nix this narrative. (Not that any of them are lighting the league up offensively, but they definitely didn't get drafted because they were defensive stalwarts.)

You can't bring a conclusion from players drafted 18th and 28th respectively. I might be wrong on Hunters position but you get the idea. My point being is that if the pick is high we know where he's going and who he will go with. I personally think the picks of Smart and Brown are directly tied to picking KO over Giannis. Kind of a mulligan deal. The best course of action for Ainge is to trade this pick ASAP for a star.

Well, Olynyk was 13, and Young was 17. So, if we're excluding picks from that range and below, then you have just two data points: Smart and Brown. I don't see why I can any less draw conclusions from mid 1st round picks than you can from two data points. Too much noise in a sample size that small for me to believe I, or anyone else, knows Ainge's mind.

And it seems tenuous to criticize Ainge for never taking shooters, then hammer him for taking Olynyk over Giannis. Any or all of his recent high picks may have been mistakes, but, if so, some of the mistakes are counterpoints to the argument you were trying to make.


Question: If we'd landed the 2nd pick this past year, do you believe he still would have taken Brown over Ingram? You kind of need to answer "yes" if you want to take the position that he's going to typecast the pick no matter where it lands.

[OFWGKTA]

My point being is that if the pick is high we know where he's going and who he will go with.

Everyone said this is why he was going to draft Dunn last year. There is a coherent argument you can make with Danny Ainge's drafting post Bradley, but this ain't it.

Dunn is an offensive player. He never fit the mold of what Danny was looking for unless a trade was in play. The emphasis is defense from the wings. Dunn is not a defensive wizard like Smart. He would be redundant on the Celtics. Smart was drafted to replace Bradley and Brown was drafted so Ainge could try and find a Giannis clone. Jackson will be a Celtic if he's on the board. Book it.

Defensively, Dunn has elite physical tools, with the size, wingspan, and foot speed to be a lockdown defender when dialed in. Dunn tends to float off the ball, constantly in search of lazy passes for opportunities to force a steal and start a transition breakaway. This can certainly work – as we noted above, he has a prolific steal rate – but it leaves him out of position far too frequently, as he can be prone to being burned by back door cuts, lacks awareness in recognizing screens, and struggles to defend pick and rolls. Dunn's also prone to reaching more often than he should, picking up some entirely unnecessary fouls which limits his ability to stay on the floor. The potential is there, but his current consistency and effectiveness might be overstated if you just watched his highlights or saw his gaudy steal numbers.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kris-Dunn-6440/

[chrisab123]

You would think that, from recent memory alone, Olynyk, Young and Hunter would be enough to nix this narrative. (Not that any of them are lighting the league up offensively, but they definitely didn't get drafted because they were defensive stalwarts.)

You can't bring a conclusion from players drafted 18th and 28th respectively. I might be wrong on Hunters position but you get the idea. My point being is that if the pick is high we know where he's going and who he will go with. I personally think the picks of Smart and Brown are directly tied to picking KO over Giannis. Kind of a mulligan deal. The best course of action for Ainge is to trade this pick ASAP for a star.

Well, Olynyk was 13, and Young was 17. So, if we're excluding picks from that range and below, then you have just two data points: Smart and Brown. I don't see why I can any less draw conclusions from mid 1st round picks than you can from two data points. Too much noise in a sample size that small for me to believe I, or anyone else, knows Ainge's mind.

And it seems tenuous to criticize Ainge for never taking shooters, then hammer him for taking Olynyk over Giannis. Any or all of his recent high picks may have been mistakes, but, if so, some of the mistakes are counterpoints to the argument you were trying to make.


Question: If we'd landed the 2nd pick this past year, do you believe he still would have taken Brown over Ingram? You kind of need to answer "yes" if you want to take the position that he's going to typecast the pick no matter where it lands.

Without a doubt. Crazy as that sounds. Not saying he wouldn't like Ingram but I believe it was always going to be Brown unless it was #1.

[SMTBSI]

You can't bring a conclusion from players drafted 18th and 28th respectively. I might be wrong on Hunters position but you get the idea. My point being is that if the pick is high we know where he's going and who he will go with. I personally think the picks of Smart and Brown are directly tied to picking KO over Giannis. Kind of a mulligan deal. The best course of action for Ainge is to trade this pick ASAP for a star.

Well, Olynyk was 13, and Young was 17. So, if we're excluding picks from that range and below, then you have just two data points: Smart and Brown. I don't see why I can any less draw conclusions from mid 1st round picks than you can from two data points. Too much noise in a sample size that small for me to believe I, or anyone else, knows Ainge's mind.

And it seems tenuous to criticize Ainge for never taking shooters, then hammer him for taking Olynyk over Giannis. Any or all of his recent high picks may have been mistakes, but, if so, some of the mistakes are counterpoints to the argument you were trying to make.


Question: If we'd landed the 2nd pick this past year, do you believe he still would have taken Brown over Ingram? You kind of need to answer "yes" if you want to take the position that he's going to typecast the pick no matter where it lands.

Without a doubt. Crazy as that sounds. Not saying he wouldn't like Ingram but I believe it was always going to be Brown unless it was #1.

Fair enough. I disagree, but, it's unprovable either way.

Hopefully we have a third data point incoming here soon, and we can dive back into this argument all over again.

[shawn unkempt]

You can't bring a conclusion from players drafted 18th and 28th respectively. I might be wrong on Hunters position but you get the idea. My point being is that if the pick is high we know where he's going and who he will go with. I personally think the picks of Smart and Brown are directly tied to picking KO over Giannis. Kind of a mulligan deal. The best course of action for Ainge is to trade this pick ASAP for a star.

Well, Olynyk was 13, and Young was 17. So, if we're excluding picks from that range and below, then you have just two data points: Smart and Brown. I don't see why I can any less draw conclusions from mid 1st round picks than you can from two data points. Too much noise in a sample size that small for me to believe I, or anyone else, knows Ainge's mind.

And it seems tenuous to criticize Ainge for never taking shooters, then hammer him for taking Olynyk over Giannis. Any or all of his recent high picks may have been mistakes, but, if so, some of the mistakes are counterpoints to the argument you were trying to make.


Question: If we'd landed the 2nd pick this past year, do you believe he still would have taken Brown over Ingram? You kind of need to answer "yes" if you want to take the position that he's going to typecast the pick no matter where it lands.

Without a doubt. Crazy as that sounds. Not saying he wouldn't like Ingram but I believe it was always going to be Brown unless it was #1.

I don't believe that at all.

[chrisab123]

Everyone said this is why he was going to draft Dunn last year. There is a coherent argument you can make with Danny Ainge's drafting post Bradley, but this ain't it.

Dunn is an offensive player. He never fit the mold of what Danny was looking for unless a trade was in play. The emphasis is defense from the wings. Dunn is not a defensive wizard like Smart. He would be redundant on the Celtics. Smart was drafted to replace Bradley and Brown was drafted so Ainge could try and find a Giannis clone. Jackson will be a Celtic if he's on the board. Book it.

Defensively, Dunn has elite physical tools, with the size, wingspan, and foot speed to be a lockdown defender when dialed in. Dunn tends to float off the ball, constantly in search of lazy passes for opportunities to force a steal and start a transition breakaway. This can certainly work – as we noted above, he has a prolific steal rate – but it leaves him out of position far too frequently, as he can be prone to being burned by back door cuts, lacks awareness in recognizing screens, and struggles to defend pick and rolls. Dunn's also prone to reaching more often than he should, picking up some entirely unnecessary fouls which limits his ability to stay on the floor. The potential is there, but his current consistency and effectiveness might be overstated if you just watched his highlights or saw his gaudy steal numbers.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kris-Dunn-6440/

There is more to offense than PPG. He's a constant contributor with the ball in his hands and has a better stroke than Smart or Brown. Just the way it is or at least was in college. How the next few years unfold is anyone's guess. Smart gets the edge defensively since he has All NBA Defense level talent. But Dunn I would rather have simply because he has the ability to make things happen when he touches the ball. I can also recall a DX article a couple years back comparing Smart to Banks which was off base as well.