Marcus Smart

[Klomp]

Wow thought he was lower valued based on the game thread vs MIN......

[Homerclease]

Wow thought he was lower valued based on the game thread vs MIN......

If you're going to base it off of one game, that game in particular then straight up for Wiggins would seem fair correct?

[sportfan6197]

What would you want in return for Smart?

The above offer asking for Lavine/Dieng is silly talk. If Lavine for Smart straight up is on the table, Boston would consider that hard. Don't think either team would do that midseason given how both players are crucial to the set up/chemistry of the team but in the offseason I would take that as a Celtic fan. Lavine has a greater growth curve.

A 2017 first would probably get the deal done as well assuming there's no protections on the deal. Boston could get a comparable player that's locked into more years.

[Homerclease]

What would you want in return for Smart?

The above offer asking for Lavine/Dieng is silly talk. If Lavine for Smart straight up is on the table, Boston would consider that hard. Don't think either team would do that midseason given how both players are crucial to the set up/chemistry of the team but in the offseason I would take that as a Celtic fan. Lavine has a greater growth curve.

A 2017 first would probably get the deal done as well assuming there's no protections on the deal. Boston could get a comparable player that's locked into more years.

There's no way I'd deal Smart for LaVine straight up. However I agree with your assessment that adding Dieng is far too much. The closest I can get is Dieng and a protected first but I wouldn't feel good about it

[Klomp]

Wow thought he was lower valued based on the game thread vs MIN......

If you're going to base it off of one game, that game in particular then straight up for Wiggins would seem fair correct?

Wasn't basing it off one game, was basing it off the opinions off fans here during that game who have watched him play all season. Thought the sentiment was that you guys wanted him gone. May have misinterpreted.

[Homerclease]

Wow thought he was lower valued based on the game thread vs MIN......

If you're going to base it off of one game, that game in particular then straight up for Wiggins would seem fair correct?

Wasn't basing it off one game, was basing it off the opinions off fans here during that game who have watched him play all season. Thought the sentiment was that you guys wanted him gone. May have misinterpreted.

Well that's not what you wrote the first time. This board is split down the middle on Smart, he does a lot of things that don't show up on the box score but he's a sub par offensive player with a highly questionable shot selection who gets a lot of flak for being a 6th overall pick but likely no chance at true stardom. That draft was total dogpile in my opinion regardless but many aren't happy with the production from such a high pick. On the defensive end he does things maybe 5 guys in the entire league can do, but he's still a long way off from being a complete player

[Banks2Pierce]

Wow thought he was lower valued based on the game thread vs MIN......

Ainge has said on record multiple times that his biggest GM regret is letting Tony Allen go. Don't think there's a single deal that he(or I'd) do that doesn't involve Towns/Wiggs.

[Klomp]

Well that's not what you wrote the first time.

Yes I did:

Wow thought he was lower valued based on the game thread vs MIN......

[Ed Pinkney]

If you're going to base it off of one game, that game in particular then straight up for Wiggins would seem fair correct?

Wasn't basing it off one game, was basing it off the opinions off fans here during that game who have watched him play all season. Thought the sentiment was that you guys wanted him gone. May have misinterpreted.

Well that's not what you wrote the first time. This board is split down the middle on Smart, he does a lot of things that don't show up on the box score but he's a sub par offensive player with a highly questionable shot selection who gets a lot of flak for being a 6th overall pick but likely no chance at true stardom. That draft was total dogpile in my opinion regardless but many aren't happy with the production from such a high pick. On the defensive end he does things maybe 5 guys in the entire league can do, but he's still a long way off from being a complete player

This. If Smart is your best player you are in trouble, but conversely he is the sort of player who could play an important role in a seven game Finals series.

I would hate to see Smart go in any trade that didn't involve an All Star coming back.

[jfs1000d]

Smart;s valuable to a good team, but he is nowhere near wirhth the NO. 5 pick.

For the fans that whine about him (suck it up, it is whining) the issue is expectation. At no. 6, you want a solid starter who may turn it an all-star. The issue is that we put so much into the tank that year, and smart was what we got for it. So, in that sense, Smart's a failure.

But, if you eliminate his draft status, the guy is an incredibly useful NBA player on a good team. He isn't better than IT or Bradley, probably won't ever be a consistent scoring threat (a shame, he has 20 ppg skill but not consistency), but is an absolutle pain in the rear end. I don't think he shoots it well enough to be your starting caliber guard, but I do think he has a Gary Payton and Jason Kidd arc to his career. Those guys couldnt' shoot a lick early in their careers and Smart's shot looks like it should be better than the results.

I think he just needs practice.

Kidd's career FG% was 40 percent. Smart doesn't have that passing ability, but he has intangibles that are useful. I wonder what he would do in 30 minutes a game as a ball-dominant player? No idea.

[Homerclease]

Well that's not what you wrote the first time.

Yes I did:

Wow thought he was lower valued based on the game thread vs MIN......

Right, so based off of one game, the answer to your question is Wiggins for Smart straight up.

[Zaschrona]

No way we are trading Smart anywhere. He is heart of this team.

[Captain_Caveman]

But seriously, something is wrong with this kid.

He plays like he got touched funny.

[Writebloc]

He did get touched funny a few times tonight, not that the refs saw any of that.

[SMTBSI]

Thought the sentiment was that you guys wanted him gone. May have misinterpreted.

No shade intended, but yes, you did. He's got warts aplenty, but there's a huge gulf between our collective opinion of him and "wanting him gone" (as far as I've seen, anyway).

Basically, he's already a plus contributor while being one of the most offensively inept players in NBA history. We pretty much figure that if he can ever become just not historically bad on offense, he'll be a no-question Celtic lifer. Of course there's no guarantee he figures it out, but no one is going to compensate us all that well for him anyway, so, might as well ride it out and see where it goes.

Now, none of this means he isn't "available". Just that "wanting him gone" is a misread.

[sportfan6197]

What would you want in return for Smart?

The above offer asking for Lavine/Dieng is silly talk. If Lavine for Smart straight up is on the table, Boston would consider that hard. Don't think either team would do that midseason given how both players are crucial to the set up/chemistry of the team but in the offseason I would take that as a Celtic fan. Lavine has a greater growth curve.

A 2017 first would probably get the deal done as well assuming there's no protections on the deal. Boston could get a comparable player that's locked into more years.

There's no way I'd deal Smart for LaVine straight up. However I agree with your assessment that adding Dieng is far too much. The closest I can get is Dieng and a protected first but I wouldn't feel good about it

In the offseason I would. Lavine's ceiling is higher than Smart and overall right now he's a better basketball player. Smart has the intangibles/defense/all-around game that Lavine is missing, but I think the chances of Lavine being average in those facets are more likely than Smart becoming an average scorer/shooter.

I mean it's not an easy trade to make by any means and I think it's fair value for both teams, but I would pull the trigger for LaVine's ceiling. Although I'm not sure why MIN woud want Rubio/Smart/Dunn?

[Klomp]

Thought the sentiment was that you guys wanted him gone. May have misinterpreted.

No shade intended, but yes, you did. He's got warts aplenty, but there's a huge gulf between our collective opinion of him and "wanting him gone" (as far as I've seen, anyway).

Basically, he's already a plus contributor while being one of the most offensively inept players in NBA history. We pretty much figure that if he can ever become just not historically bad on offense, he'll be a no-question Celtic lifer. Of course there's no guarantee he figures it out, but no one is going to compensate us all that well for him anyway, so, might as well ride it out and see where it goes.

Now, none of this means he isn't "available". Just that "wanting him gone" is a misread.

OK, that's fine. Probably won't be seeing a deal then.

[SMTBSI]

Thought the sentiment was that you guys wanted him gone. May have misinterpreted.

No shade intended, but yes, you did. He's got warts aplenty, but there's a huge gulf between our collective opinion of him and "wanting him gone" (as far as I've seen, anyway).

Basically, he's already a plus contributor while being one of the most offensively inept players in NBA history. We pretty much figure that if he can ever become just not historically bad on offense, he'll be a no-question Celtic lifer. Of course there's no guarantee he figures it out, but no one is going to compensate us all that well for him anyway, so, might as well ride it out and see where it goes.

Now, none of this means he isn't "available". Just that "wanting him gone" is a misread.

OK, that's fine. Probably won't be seeing a deal then.

Yeah, I figure he's going to be really tough to trade. Teams will likely lowball us hard, so we're basically committed to just developing him as best we can.

I guess I could be wrong and there could be another GM out there that loves his defense and intangibles, but, I expect him to be a Celtic for a while.

Spoiler:

And now that I've said that he'll be gone before the new year.

[ddb]

I, for one, am in the camp that really wants to hang on to IT, AB and Smart. Those 3 compliment each other so well...that should be our top 3 guards for years to come.

Hypothetical: if we are able to draft Fultz, who do you send out to make room?

I trade Fultz in a package for a big. Easy

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[ddb]

Just......keep.......Smart. it's easy. This dude is special in the strangest of ways. Putting up Turner 15-16 numbers plus all nba defense and he is 22 years old. Fearless. Not trading Smart .

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