How would you blow it up?

[Orlwillbeback]

Yes, but do you actually see them actually Going deep in the playoffs??

Maybe. Maybe not. I'm not sure. But I do know that they are closer to contending than we are.

And I know that as long as they are competitive as they are now, they can attract good free agents.

But they have been a treadmill team for a while now.

There is no way I hope this team becomes one. Its either championship or bust.

"Treadmill teams" have gone on to be contenders and won championships.

Not sure of any who tanked that did.

[MagicFan32]

It's very simple to me. Keep biz & ag. Everyone else can go for picks and cap space. Tank hard the next 2 years hopefully get 2 top 3 picks and sign some good free agents to complement those players at thag time.

the magic are not going to tank for 2 years, it is clear ownership has put down a playoff mandate and even if we are terrible this year they will push for a quick fix. that's how you end up overpaying for serge ibaka and biz, and giving jeff green 15 million dollars.

at this point i hope they just sign off on realizing this team is going nowhere and try again next summer

[VFX]

How is it considered "blowing it up" if half the posters on here are keeping 3/5 starters...

[JF5]

I wouldn't blow it up just to blow it up... You still need veteran guidance to help the younger guys. Something that Rob failed to do with him essentially going completely young in the first rebuild.

[fendilim]

Maybe. Maybe not. I'm not sure. But I do know that they are closer to contending than we are.

And I know that as long as they are competitive as they are now, they can attract good free agents.

But they have been a treadmill team for a while now.

There is no way I hope this team becomes one. Its either championship or bust.

"Treadmill teams" have gone on to be contenders and won championships.

Not sure of any who tanked that did.

Champion teams have superstars.

Tanking is the easiest way to get superstars.

[3ddman23]

It's very simple to me. Keep biz & ag. Everyone else can go for picks and cap space. Tank hard the next 2 years hopefully get 2 top 3 picks and sign some good free agents to complement those players at thag time.

the magic are not going to tank for 2 years, it is clear ownership has put down a playoff mandate and even if we are terrible this year they will push for a quick fix. that's how you end up overpaying for serge ibaka and biz, and giving jeff green 15 million dollars.

at this point i hope they just sign off on realizing this team is going nowhere and try again next summer

The question was, how would you blow it up? That is exactly how I would blow it up. I understand the playoff goal by ownership. But this team is in no shape or form a playoff team. That is why I propose a complete rebuild once again. It's a tough pill to swallow but it's what realistically needs to be done. I don't see any other way out of the situation we are in.

[Xatticus]

I would make every front to acquire that Brooklyn pick. Ainge wants to trade and he loves Vuc and tried to Acquire Ibaka. Make every effort to get that pick bc it will contain a franchise player.

The brooklyn pick is #13 now. IMO, the Boston fans value it because they believe it will be a top 5 pick. If that doesn't look like it will happen near the deadline we may be able to make a move for it.

I think your source is outdated. Brooklyn has lost seven straight and has the third worst record in the league.

[PennytoShaq]

I would make every front to acquire that Brooklyn pick. Ainge wants to trade and he loves Vuc and tried to Acquire Ibaka. Make every effort to get that pick bc it will contain a franchise player.

The brooklyn pick is #13 now. IMO, the Boston fans value it because they believe it will be a top 5 pick. If that doesn't look like it will happen near the deadline we may be able to make a move for it.

I think your source is outdated. Brooklyn has lost seven straight and has the third worst record in the league.

Yeah I know, I talked about that in the trade thread. NBA Draft.net updated after I made the post.

[Xatticus]

I wouldn't blow it up just to blow it up... You still need veteran guidance to help the younger guys. Something that Rob failed to do with him essentially going completely young in the first rebuild.

I wouldn't blow it up, simply because it is poor asset management. I wouldn't be too attached to anyone on the roster, but I certainly wouldn't undermine my own negotiating position for the sake of bottoming out. I think most of our players possess some value to other teams, but I don't really indulge in trade speculation. Only Hennigan knows what sort of interest the league has in our players. If another team wants to make a legitimate offer for something on our roster, you give it consideration, but nothing good comes from trading problems. Ibaka and Green can be shopped as their contracts expire at the end of the year. I'd have no urgency in dealing anyone else on the roster.

That said, I don't think we have the type of veterans that we want providing guidance to our younger players. I think this team desperately needs a selfless presence at the offensive end. I think a significant part of our offensive problem is that our players are really only interested in putting in effort when it results in their own opportunities.

[Mc-o]

I wouldn't blow it up just to blow it up... You still need veteran guidance to help the younger guys. Something that Rob failed to do with him essentially going completely young in the first rebuild.

I wouldn't blow it up, simply because it is poor asset management. I wouldn't be too attached to anyone on the roster, but I certainly wouldn't undermine my own negotiating position for the sake of bottoming out. I think most of our players possess some value to other teams, but I don't really indulge in trade speculation. Only Hennigan knows what sort of interest the league has in our players. If another team wants to make a legitimate offer for something on our roster, you give it consideration, but nothing good comes from trading problems. Ibaka and Green can be shopped as their contracts expire at the end of the year. I'd have no urgency in dealing anyone else on the roster.

That said, I don't think we have the type of veterans that we want providing guidance to our younger players. I think this team desperately needs a selfless presence at the offensive end. I think a significant part of our offensive problem is that our players are really only interested in putting in effort when it results in their own opportunities.

I agree with you on the trading aspects . But the main problem with our offense is lack of shooting ! period ! ball movement is not going to solve that . The ball is sticking because quite frankly players dont trust AG AND EP to hit a shot. and can we blame them ? IMO nothing is going to solve our offense ..other than a trade . I hope im wrong .

[Max Power]

This is an interesting topic. Here's some moves I'd make.

1. Fire Rob Hennigan - No spin on these boards can justify 5 straight losing seasons. This team was loaded with young talent I believe was a playoff roster with the right coach. Vogel could have coached Harris and Dipo into more consistent players but Hennigan let's them both go for very weak returns, and has been horrible drafting outside of Oladipo. Gordon and Elfrid were not future stars. Nobody thought so but him. I give him credit for acquiring diamonds in the rough with Harris, Fournier and Vucevic, but it hasn't yielded wins. Time for a new architect.

2. Try to acquire Anthony Davis. If he wants out of NO, Vuc, Payton and Gordon is a good base for a trade, I'm sure The Magic probably give up picks too, but Davis changes our fortunes immediately. Davis, Fournier and guys like Biyombo, Augustine are a worthy start on a rebuild.

3. Let Ibaka and Jeff Green walk and use the cap space in a year or so.

4. Go after Paul George in free agency. Our starting lineup is Davis, Paul George, Fournier, Biyombo and Augustine.

** don't pretend to know the salary cap so don't murder me on these ideas. Fournier may need to go for this scenario to work.






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[golfreak]

If we were to blow it up I'd keep and start DJ,Evan,Mario,AG,Biz we still have youth and hit reset again. We need to embrace the way the NBA is being played and go small ball and spread the floor, with that lineup the lane is open with Biz setting screens and no one clogging the paint on post ups it would allow Mario and AG to cut and run no more standing on the 3 point line.

I would like 1st rounders it would have to be a combo of Elf and Ibaka-Vuc and Green with CJ Watson in for good measure. Draft wise I really like Lonzo and Fultz it would bring DJ back off the bench and a good vet to learn from or start if need be.

I totally agree with this.
Payton is not a starting caliber PG in the NBA.
We really need to find another PG.

[KrazyP]

Completely disagree, for someone like Ibaka on a franchise that knows it has the pull and is successful (like Boston) we have leverage to send his bird rights over and get something back..

Yes, SOMETHING. The BKN pick? HELL NO. Not in a million years. It takes some serious delusion to think that's possible.

I went to their forum and asked them about it and they laughed at the idea

Ibaka is a really good role player. It would extremely difficult for the Magic to get somebody to give up a top 5 pick for a roleplayer on an expiring contract. If you guys can get that, take it and run.....I just dont think its possible.

That said, teams like Boston and Toronto do have a nice collection of young assets. They'll both make reasonable offers for Ibaka if the Magic do look to move him this year.

From a Raptors perspective.....they may offer some combination of the following:

Jakob Poeltl - C - 9th pick in last years draft. He has good hands, high ball IQ and has good mobility. Once he gains more strength and experience, he's pretty much a lock in my books to be a solid role player (no all-star upside but will be good).

Delon Wright - PG - I personally think this guy has more upside than any Guard currently on the Magic roster. Unfortunately for him, he plays behind an all-star in Lowry and a hometown guy with championship Spurs experience in Joseph so the minutes just aren't going to be there for this kid to develop. When he did get burn last year, he looked good.

Norman Powell - SG - Like Wright, Powell is ready to breakout but playing behind Derozan/Ross, the minutes arent there for him. He can shoot, defend and get to the rim, Kind of like Tony Allen with a 3pt shot.

With so many crazy contracts being handed out these days, young, talented guys like the above on cheap rookie deals are worth gold. That said, different teams have different needs. Raps dont have the minutes to give to these guys and the Magic need a change of direction......they are good tradng partners imo.

[OrlandoDream]

Yes, SOMETHING. The BKN pick? HELL NO. Not in a million years. It takes some serious delusion to think that's possible.

I went to their forum and asked them about it and they laughed at the idea

Ibaka is a really good role player. It would extremely difficult for the Magic to get somebody to give up a top 5 pick for a roleplayer on an expiring contract. If you guys can get that, take it and run.....I just dont think its possible.

That said, teams like Boston and Toronto do have a nice collection of young assets. They'll both make reasonable offers for Ibaka if the Magic do look to move him this year.

From a Raptors perspective.....they may offer some combination of the following:

Jakob Poeltl - C - 9th pick in last years draft. He has good hands, high ball IQ and has good mobility. Once he gains more strength and experience, he's pretty much a lock in my books to be a solid role player (no all-star upside but will be good).

Delon Wright - PG - I personally think this guy has more upside than any Guard currently on the Magic roster. Unfortunately for him, he plays behind an all-star in Lowry and a hometown guy with championship Spurs experience in Joseph so the minutes just aren't going to be there for this kid to develop. When he did get burn last year, he looked good.

Norman Powell - SG - Like Wright, Powell is ready to breakout but playing behind Derozan/Ross, the minutes arent there for him. He can shoot, defend and get to the rim, Kind of like Tony Allen with a 3pt shot.

With so many crazy contracts being handed out these days, young, talented guys like the above on cheap rookie deals are worth gold. That said, different teams have different needs. Raps dont have the minutes to give to these guys and the Magic need a change of direction......they are good tradng partners imo.

Every GM knows the Raps want and are going for Ibaka. He is playing some great ball now and the way the defense is gelling, I'm not sure dealing him is the right option. I would still like to keep him for the right price but he is a.so not untraceable. If a good offer comes for him, I can see him being moved. I wouldn't say that if we didn't have Bizlocked up. He will be a good replacement. I like Norman Powell but Raps really don't have much to offer that we need. Orlandos biggest need right now is a SF who can shoot. Just don't see anything on Raps that fills that gap.

[tiderulz]

I went to their forum and asked them about it and they laughed at the idea

Ibaka is a really good role player. It would extremely difficult for the Magic to get somebody to give up a top 5 pick for a roleplayer on an expiring contract. If you guys can get that, take it and run.....I just dont think its possible.

That said, teams like Boston and Toronto do have a nice collection of young assets. They'll both make reasonable offers for Ibaka if the Magic do look to move him this year.

From a Raptors perspective.....they may offer some combination of the following:

Jakob Poeltl - C - 9th pick in last years draft. He has good hands, high ball IQ and has good mobility. Once he gains more strength and experience, he's pretty much a lock in my books to be a solid role player (no all-star upside but will be good).

Delon Wright - PG - I personally think this guy has more upside than any Guard currently on the Magic roster. Unfortunately for him, he plays behind an all-star in Lowry and a hometown guy with championship Spurs experience in Joseph so the minutes just aren't going to be there for this kid to develop. When he did get burn last year, he looked good.

Norman Powell - SG - Like Wright, Powell is ready to breakout but playing behind Derozan/Ross, the minutes arent there for him. He can shoot, defend and get to the rim, Kind of like Tony Allen with a 3pt shot.

With so many crazy contracts being handed out these days, young, talented guys like the above on cheap rookie deals are worth gold. That said, different teams have different needs. Raps dont have the minutes to give to these guys and the Magic need a change of direction......they are good tradng partners imo.

Every GM knows the Raps want and are going for Ibaka. He is playing some great ball now and the way the defense is gelling, I'm not sure dealing him is the right option. I would still like to keep him for the right price but he is a.so not untraceable. If a good offer comes for him, I can see him being moved. I wouldn't say that if we didn't have Bizlocked up. He will be a good replacement. I like Norman Powell but Raps really don't have much to offer that we need. Orlandos biggest need right now is a SF who can shoot. Just don't see anything on Raps that fills that gap.

i would say our biggest need is a wing that can shoot. We could move Fournier to SF if we got a good SG. A SF would be preferable, but a SG could fit the bill. Powell looks intriguing. Wright not so much, his weakness being outside shooting and we have enough of that weakness already on the team.

[Patrick1978]

Yes, SOMETHING. The BKN pick? HELL NO. Not in a million years. It takes some serious delusion to think that's possible.

I went to their forum and asked them about it and they laughed at the idea

Ibaka is a really good role player. It would extremely difficult for the Magic to get somebody to give up a top 5 pick for a roleplayer on an expiring contract. If you guys can get that, take it and run.....I just dont think its possible.

That said, teams like Boston and Toronto do have a nice collection of young assets. They'll both make reasonable offers for Ibaka if the Magic do look to move him this year.

From a Raptors perspective.....they may offer some combination of the following:

Jakob Poeltl - C - 9th pick in last years draft. He has good hands, high ball IQ and has good mobility. Once he gains more strength and experience, he's pretty much a lock in my books to be a solid role player (no all-star upside but will be good).

Delon Wright - PG - I personally think this guy has more upside than any Guard currently on the Magic roster. Unfortunately for him, he plays behind an all-star in Lowry and a hometown guy with championship Spurs experience in Joseph so the minutes just aren't going to be there for this kid to develop. When he did get burn last year, he looked good.

Norman Powell - SG - Like Wright, Powell is ready to breakout but playing behind Derozan/Ross, the minutes arent there for him. He can shoot, defend and get to the rim, Kind of like Tony Allen with a 3pt shot.

With so many crazy contracts being handed out these days, young, talented guys like the above on cheap rookie deals are worth gold. That said, different teams have different needs. Raps dont have the minutes to give to these guys and the Magic need a change of direction......they are good tradng partners imo.

Buna ziua din romania
My friend i want a trade with your team
Ibaka for poeltl and powell

[Patrick1978]

I went to their forum and asked them about it and they laughed at the idea

Ibaka is a really good role player. It would extremely difficult for the Magic to get somebody to give up a top 5 pick for a roleplayer on an expiring contract. If you guys can get that, take it and run.....I just dont think its possible.

That said, teams like Boston and Toronto do have a nice collection of young assets. They'll both make reasonable offers for Ibaka if the Magic do look to move him this year.

From a Raptors perspective.....they may offer some combination of the following:

Jakob Poeltl - C - 9th pick in last years draft. He has good hands, high ball IQ and has good mobility. Once he gains more strength and experience, he's pretty much a lock in my books to be a solid role player (no all-star upside but will be good).

Delon Wright - PG - I personally think this guy has more upside than any Guard currently on the Magic roster. Unfortunately for him, he plays behind an all-star in Lowry and a hometown guy with championship Spurs experience in Joseph so the minutes just aren't going to be there for this kid to develop. When he did get burn last year, he looked good.

Norman Powell - SG - Like Wright, Powell is ready to breakout but playing behind Derozan/Ross, the minutes arent there for him. He can shoot, defend and get to the rim, Kind of like Tony Allen with a 3pt shot.

With so many crazy contracts being handed out these days, young, talented guys like the above on cheap rookie deals are worth gold. That said, different teams have different needs. Raps dont have the minutes to give to these guys and the Magic need a change of direction......they are good tradng partners imo.

Every GM knows the Raps want and are going for Ibaka. He is playing some great ball now and the way the defense is gelling, I'm not sure dealing him is the right option. I would still like to keep him for the right price but he is a.so not untraceable. If a good offer comes for him, I can see him being moved. I wouldn't say that if we didn't have Bizlocked up. He will be a good replacement. I like Norman Powell but Raps really don't have much to offer that we need. Orlandos biggest need right now is a SF who can shoot. Just don't see anything on Raps that fills that gap.

Powell could play sf
6,11 wingspan and can shoot

[Furinkazan]

I went to their forum and asked them about it and they laughed at the idea

Ibaka is a really good role player. It would extremely difficult for the Magic to get somebody to give up a top 5 pick for a roleplayer on an expiring contract. If you guys can get that, take it and run.....I just dont think its possible.

That said, teams like Boston and Toronto do have a nice collection of young assets. They'll both make reasonable offers for Ibaka if the Magic do look to move him this year.

From a Raptors perspective.....they may offer some combination of the following:

Jakob Poeltl - C - 9th pick in last years draft. He has good hands, high ball IQ and has good mobility. Once he gains more strength and experience, he's pretty much a lock in my books to be a solid role player (no all-star upside but will be good).

Delon Wright - PG - I personally think this guy has more upside than any Guard currently on the Magic roster. Unfortunately for him, he plays behind an all-star in Lowry and a hometown guy with championship Spurs experience in Joseph so the minutes just aren't going to be there for this kid to develop. When he did get burn last year, he looked good.

Norman Powell - SG - Like Wright, Powell is ready to breakout but playing behind Derozan/Ross, the minutes arent there for him. He can shoot, defend and get to the rim, Kind of like Tony Allen with a 3pt shot.

With so many crazy contracts being handed out these days, young, talented guys like the above on cheap rookie deals are worth gold. That said, different teams have different needs. Raps dont have the minutes to give to these guys and the Magic need a change of direction......they are good tradng partners imo.

Buna ziua din romania
My friend i want a trade with your team
Ibaka for poeltl and powell

thank God you arent GM

[Mauro Pedrosa]

Edit: wrong post quoted, I meant the Poeltl and Powell for Ibaka trade with Toronto

Hennigan would be fired on the spot if he did that