The (Where Ainges Fear to) Trade Thread, 2016-17 (1.0)

[sportfan6197]

What about bringing here BOTH Cousins & Vucevic AND Gay?
BOS trade: 2017 MIN 2nd, 2018 BKN pick, MEM pick, our 2019 pick, LAC pick, Jerebko, Brown, Johnson, Olynyk, Young, Green
BOS receive: Cousins, Gay, Vucevic, Casspi
SAC trade: Cousins, Gay, Casspi
SAC receive: Johnson, Jerebko, Brown, Young, Green, 2017 MIN 2nd, 2018 BKN pick, MEM pick, our 2019 pick
ORL trade: Vucevic
ORL receive: Zeller, Olynyk, LAC pick

IT/Rozier/Jackson
Bradley/Smart/FA
Gay/Crowder/FA
Horford/Casspi/Mickey
Cousins/Vucevic/FA
We still have room exception available, so we can likely sign some decent player or two for playoffs maybe even with an option for the next year.

Would this team have a chance to beat Cleveland?
I think that team could have a chance. We would be immediately one of the best rebounding teams in this league. ALL our players would have the ability to score a three, so spacing would be perfect. Defensively we would stay really good, while our offense would get much better.

We would have no cap space available, so our plan for the summer would be to resign Rudy Gay, Omri Casspi, draft with BKN pick, bring here Yabu and Zizic, use our room exception and sign Nader.

1. Terrible trade for Sacramento.
2. No reason for Orlando to do this either.
3. This team is too deep for its own good.

Ok. So let's give Sacramento 2017 BKN pick too, send MEM pick and Rozier to Orlando... What about then? 8-men rotation IT, Bradley, Smart, Gay, Crowder, Horford, Cousins, Vucevic. Casspi would be only decent player remaining. That does not seem really deep for me. 30 minutes per game for 8 players.

Closer, but I still don't see it.

Orlando needs a PG for the future and a SF so they can move Gordon back to the 4. Rozier is a nice piece for them and probably splits PG duties and Olynyk helps out the shooting even though they'd prefer a guy that can slide to the 3. But I think Rozier/Olynyk/1st is a solid haul for Vuc.

For the Kings let's be honest, Johnson/Jerebko/Green/Young are all nothing more than expirings for them. Johnson is the only piece that could baby land a B-/C+ prospect in a future trade. So it's basically Brown, 2017/2018 BKN picks, 2019 MEM pick and 2019 our pick. Kinda iffy on Boston's side because that's a lot of firsts to trade. And for SAC, it's a bad PR move because they trade their best pieces only to get back one player for the future with a lot of picks. While it's fair value,I think SAC needs a young star so that they don't lose fans. Similar to the Kevin Love situation with Wiggins.

I also think no matter what there is too many moving pieces to try and integrate on the fly for Boston to challenge Cleveland this season. Bringing in Cousins alone completely shifts the way the Celtics play. Gay as well. Casspi will basically take Jerebko's role. I don't know Vuc well enough to know if he can just slide into KO's role. I think this is one of those scenarios where the sum is less than the parts. Those 8 guys are all good starters but I'm not sure how well it'll mesh, and if Gay/Vuc/Casspi can provide the same value off the ball as the guys we're trading away can because they'll all be receiving significently less shots

[Afam]

I'm ok now with the Celtics trading the starters for a star player. To get something valuable, you have to give back something valuable in return. Everyone should be available for a trade. No untouchables.

Celtics, and Kings trade.

Avery Bradley or Jae Crowder
Jaylen Brown
Amir Johnson
Terry Rozier
2017 Nets pick for Demarcus Cousins

Or Celtics and Pacers trade

Avery Bradley
Jaylen Brown
2017 Nets pick
Terry Rozier
Kelly Olynyk

For Paul George. The Memphis pick could be included too.

[Zaschrona]

1. Terrible trade for Sacramento.
2. No reason for Orlando to do this either.
3. This team is too deep for its own good.

Ok. So let's give Sacramento 2017 BKN pick too, send MEM pick and Rozier to Orlando... What about then? 8-men rotation IT, Bradley, Smart, Gay, Crowder, Horford, Cousins, Vucevic. Casspi would be only decent player remaining. That does not seem really deep for me. 30 minutes per game for 8 players.

Closer, but I still don't see it.

Orlando needs a PG for the future and a SF so they can move Gordon back to the 4. Rozier is a nice piece for them and probably splits PG duties and Olynyk helps out the shooting even though they'd prefer a guy that can slide to the 3. But I think Rozier/Olynyk/1st is a solid haul for Vuc.

For the Kings let's be honest, Johnson/Jerebko/Green/Young are all nothing more than expirings for them. Johnson is the only piece that could baby land a B-/C+ prospect in a future trade. So it's basically Brown, 2017/2018 BKN picks, 2019 MEM pick and 2019 our pick. Kinda iffy on Boston's side because that's a lot of firsts to trade. And for SAC, it's a bad PR move because they trade their best pieces only to get back one player for the future with a lot of picks. While it's fair value,I think SAC needs a young star so that they don't lose fans. Similar to the Kevin Love situation with Wiggins.

I also think no matter what there is too many moving pieces to try and integrate on the fly for Boston to challenge Cleveland this season. Bringing in Cousins alone completely shifts the way the Celtics play. Gay as well. Casspi will basically take Jerebko's role. I don't know Vuc well enough to know if he can just slide into KO's role. I think this is one of those scenarios where the sum is less than the parts. Those 8 guys are all good starters but I'm not sure how well it'll mesh, and if Gay/Vuc/Casspi can provide the same value off the ball as the guys we're trading away can because they'll all be receiving significently less shots

You are right, but at the same time you are missing a thing about that deal with Kings. Sacramento can trade some of these picks. I can see them making a trade around 2018 BKN for Okafor and maybe get their pick back at the same time. And Okafor may actually count as a young star or something like that. And if they make this trade, they are likely having 2 top 5 picks this year just because that team would be so terrible after deadline, that they likely would not win a game. And that may result that they will have a nice core like Fultz/Brown/Giles/Okafor with Skal, WCS, Papa for the next season. And a lot of cap space. Could be quite quick better than they are now.

And I think we would be just fine. We would trade away something like 30 shots per game. Trade in 50. Smart would then have to take way half of his shots, that is 5. IT, AB, Gay, Vucevic and Cousins would all take 2 or 3 shots per game less, and that is 15.

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