Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season

Post #61 » by **Capn'O** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:40 pm

god shammgod wrote:they're probably gonna do this to maximize cap space because his new salary will be less than his cap hold. cap hold is a little over 30. his new contract is gonna start at about 22 according to this. plus this will be only 3 years. maybe if he says no they let him walk.

No - it absolutely makes sense from that perspective. From the perspective that he pretty much sucks and is a walking injury waiting to happen... that's where the sense of it breaks down.

reub · Post #62 » by **reub** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:43 pm

If Rose promises to keep the ball out of isoMelo's hands I'd max him today.

blueNorange · Post #63 » by **blueNorange** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:45 pm

only this franchise would be dumb enough to be fooled by a player playing for a contract. :lol:

Post #64 » by **moocow007** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:46 pm

Phish Tank wrote:CBA experts: chime in.

Perhaps it works both ways if we can possibly offer him a two year extension, with the second year as a player option. That would probably entice Rose to play harder next year, while also keeping our options open to 2018.

So maybe: 2 years, 45 million?

Yes a 2 year extension with a 2nd year as a player option is possible. Whether Rose would agree to It or not, debatable. Possible he would. Don't know.

CJackson · Post #65 » by **CJackson** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:48 pm

One piece of advice for Phil:

Just give Rose the NTC when he demands it. You don't have a choice.

Post #66 » by **moocow007** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:48 pm

What's interesting is that the vast, vast majority of the responses to an extension seems to be "NO". And yet Rose was the preference to be the PG over every other potential free agent PG except Chris Paul (that includes Kyle Lowry, Jrue Holiday, George Hill or basically the best starting PG options). So that tells me:

1. Folks believe Chris Paul is a real option via free agency
2. Folks think the Knicks can actually get a better PG outside of free agency (by trading Lance Thomas and Kyle O'Quinn)
3. Folks aren't really thinking out their responses (either in this thread or the other thread) clearly
4. Folks that like to vote in polls don't like to post their opinions
5. All (or some combination) of the above

Phish Tank · Post #67 » by **Phish Tank** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:49 pm

moocow007 wrote:
Phish Tank wrote:CBA experts: chime in.

Perhaps it works both ways if we can possibly offer him a two year extension, with the second year as a player option. That would probably entice Rose to play harder next year, while also keeping our options open to 2018.

So maybe: 2 years, 45 million?

Yes a 2 year extension with a 2nd year as a player option is possible. Whether Rose would agree to It or not, debatable. Possible he would. Don't know.

Yea I was trying to model it off the Westbrook extension that was given earlier in the summer where they basically added on money this year while adding another year and a player option the year after. It may work for both sides depending on the $ involved.

god shammgod · Post #68 » by **god shammgod** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:52 pm

Capn'O wrote:
god shammgod wrote:they're probably gonna do this to maximize cap space because his new salary will be less than his cap hold. cap hold is a little over 30. his new contract is gonna start at about 22 according to this. plus this will be only 3 years. maybe if he says no they let him walk.

No - it absolutely makes sense from that perspective. From the perspective that he pretty much sucks and is a walking injury waiting to happen... that's where the sense of it breaks down.

we've never made that kind of sense. just be happy phil hasn't traded a pick.......yet.

Post #69 » by **Capn'O** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:52 pm

god shammgod wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
god shammgod wrote:they're probably gonna do this to maximize cap space because his new salary will be less than his cap hold. cap hold is a little over 30. his new contract is gonna start at about 22 according to this. plus this will be only 3 years. maybe if he says no they let him walk.

No - it absolutely makes sense from that perspective. From the perspective that he pretty much sucks and is a walking injury waiting to happen... that's where the sense of it breaks down.

we've never made that kind of sense. just be happy phil hasn't traded a pick.......yet.

Oh, I count my **** blessings. We have 3, maybe 4?

god shammgod · Post #70 » by **god shammgod** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:54 pm

moocow007 wrote:What's interesting is that the vast, vast majority of the responses to an extension seems to be "NO". And yet Rose was the preference to be the PG over every other potential free agent PG except Chris Paul (that includes Kyle Lowry, Jrue Holiday, George Hill or basically the best starting PG options). So that tells me:

1. Folks believe Chris Paul is a real option via free agency
2. Folks think the Knicks can actually get a better PG outside of free agency (by trading Lance Thomas and Kyle O'Quinn)
3. Folks aren't really thinking out their responses (either in this thread or the other thread) clearly
4. Folks that like to vote in polls don't like to post their opinions
5. All (or some combination) of the above

i think folks are still hoping we somehow suck enough to get a young point. folks like to dream.

Post #71 » by **Capn'O** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:54 pm

moocow007 wrote:What's interesting is that the vast, vast majority of the responses to an extension seems to be "NO". And yet Rose was the preference to be the PG over every other potential free agent PG except Chris Paul (that includes Kyle Lowry, Jrue Holiday, George Hill or basically the best starting PG options). So that tells me:

1. Folks believe Chris Paul is a real option via free agency
2. Folks think the Knicks can actually get a better PG outside of free agency (by trading Lance Thomas and Kyle O'Quinn)
3. Folks aren't really thinking out their responses (either in this thread or the other thread) clearly
4. Folks that like to vote in polls don't like to post their opinions
5. All (or some combination) of the above

I think some voted on what they realistically thought would happen.

I voted for Jrue because I essentially didn't think Paul would come. But, in reality, Rose was probably the only realistic option on that list. Even George Hill is likely staying put.

god shammgod · Post #72 » by **god shammgod** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:56 pm

don't the stats say if derek scores a lot the knicks always lose. yeah let's sign him.

NYKnicksTAPE · Post #73 » by **NYKnicksTAPE** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:57 pm

god shammgod wrote:
moocow007 wrote:What's interesting is that the vast, vast majority of the responses to an extension seems to be "NO". And yet Rose was the preference to be the PG over every other potential free agent PG except Chris Paul (that includes Kyle Lowry, Jrue Holiday, George Hill or basically the best starting PG options). So that tells me:

1. Folks believe Chris Paul is a real option via free agency
2. Folks think the Knicks can actually get a better PG outside of free agency (by trading Lance Thomas and Kyle O'Quinn)
3. Folks aren't really thinking out their responses (either in this thread or the other thread) clearly
4. Folks that like to vote in polls don't like to post their opinions
5. All (or some combination) of the above

i think folks are still hoping we somehow suck enough to get a young point. folks like to dream.

I want us to go after Jrue Holiday...he's the 1 I voted for in the poll. I love his game, he's only 26, and I would much rather have him than Rose. Would he command much more than Rose would be rumored to get in this extension? He certainly wouldn't be making as much as Rose's cap hold. I do also hope that we could get a nice PG prospect in the draft tho...

god shammgod · Post #74 » by **god shammgod** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:59 pm

listen. just hope for entertainment. that's all i hope for. this season has been somewhat entertaining. championships just aren't for us. like skinny jeans aren't for nykfatboy. it is what it is.

god shammgod · Post #75 » by **god shammgod** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 7:00 pm

jrue might be the one guy more likely to be injured than rose. which is damn hard to achieve.

Post #76 » by **Capn'O** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 7:05 pm

god shammgod wrote:listen. just hope for entertainment. that's all i hope for. this season has been somewhat entertaining. championships just aren't for us. like skinny jeans aren't for nykfatboy. it is what it is.

Oh - there's a blessing I hadn't even thought of. We've played something like 4 really nice games this year.

HarthorneWingo · Post #77 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 7:06 pm

E-Balla wrote:I just keep thinking... If we didn't get him off Chicago we could've signed Wade and Chicago couldn't have.

Wade? LOL. Wade was never coming here.

You guys are piping in this thread. I'm cool extending Rose. Just extend Jennings too.

god shammgod · Post #78 » by **god shammgod** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 7:07 pm

Capn'O wrote:
god shammgod wrote:listen. just hope for entertainment. that's all i hope for. this season has been somewhat entertaining. championships just aren't for us. like skinny jeans aren't for nykfatboy. it is what it is.

Oh - there's a blessing I hadn't even thought of. We've played something like 4 really nice games this year.

there you go. the glass is half full. though it is overpriced and likely to break down half way into the year. such is life.

Phish Tank · Post #79 » by **Phish Tank** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 7:09 pm

god shammgod wrote:listen. just hope for entertainment. that's all i hope for. this season has been somewhat entertaining. championships just aren't for us. like skinny jeans aren't for nykfatboy . it is what it is.

well damn

Post #80 » by **kane2021** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 7:11 pm

The irony is rose signing an extension would be a blessing. That's painful to say. But it's true. Really we would be asking rose to do something stupid now to stop us from doing something stupid later. Question is, who's more stupid? For the benefit of the knicks I'm hoping rose.

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