Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season

[WesleyExChiFan]

What's interesting is that the vast, vast majority of the responses to an extension seems to be "NO". And yet Rose was the preference to be the PG over every other potential free agent PG except Chris Paul (that includes Kyle Lowry, Jrue Holiday, George Hill or basically the best starting PG options). So that tells me:

1. Folks believe Chris Paul is a real option via free agency
2. Folks think the Knicks can actually get a better PG outside of free agency (by trading Lance Thomas and Kyle O'Quinn)
3. Folks aren't really thinking out their responses (either in this thread or the other thread) clearly
4. Folks that like to vote in polls don't like to post their opinions
5. All (or some combination) of the above

You took the words right out of my mouth!!

KNICK fans are hilarious in thinking we can magically walk into a "player store" and just pick whoever we want. Does anybody recognize how unrealistic and ridiculous that is???

Please Please wake up and stop the lofty dreams that we can have whoever we want. If that were true, LeBron, Steph and Durant would all be in a KNICK uniform today....but they're not.

If we don't extend Rose, then REALISTICALLY who else is available to us...AND wants to be here??? That is the true question. Some of us need to stop playing fantasy basketball and float back down to reality.

I doubt Derrick Rose wants to sit out the rest of his career injured and on the bench. He recognizes his best years are behind him and that the KNICKS are probably his last stop in his career. So a SMART deal that's less and shorter than his current one is not a bad idea. Rose is better than any PG we had in more than a decade... or do I need to post reminder videos of Jose Calderon and Toney Douglas at the point???

It's time for us to wake up and stop dreaming!!

Here's another way of looking at it: A newly extended Rose on a somewhat palatable deal in this market could be sign and trade bait for Chris Paul. I'd be surprised if an extension happened tbh. I mean, maintain a winning record first before you start paying people.

[moocow007]

You just KNOW he's going down the minute he signs that extension.

He's going to trip on the tiny table.




PS: Kyle O'Quinn brought his mom to his contract signing.

It could be worse...it could have been the table in Men In Black when J moved the table during the test...

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[dakomish23]

November hasn't ended and there's articles of an extension talk.

Welcome to NY

[moocow007]

Quick, someone check on Knickstape!

--Mags

KT's reaction now...



KT's reaction if it happens...

[kane2021]

The only guy I see Paul getting traded for is Irving. In fact I think that's the only place Paul ends up if he wants out of la.


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[vallen]

just doin what this franchise does.

[CJackson]

If there is a God then Supertramp has an unreleased song in their vaults called "Tiny Tables"

[Zombiesonics]

We should have just locked up Tim Frazier for cheap like I was begging for

wouldn't be hard to find a more effective pg fit with melo + KP. Tim frazier is playing better than rose has since 2012. Thing is, there is no way in hell melo is ok with letting rose walk. they are all lovey dovey now. cut from the same cloth.

[Lockdown]

Unless he flamed out, the plan was always to re-sign him, there were pretty much no other moves. There's no cap space, no redundant players to trade, and moving more picks would be a mistake. Pretty much all you can do is hope luck holds out with him.

Derrick Rose's contract IS the cap space.

Okay, so let's say the Knicks give him up for nothing. With cap holds the Knicks have -11,263,263 in cap space for next year. So renouncing Rose outright gets them around $15 million under the cap with 3 positions to fill, assuming NY keeps their pick and drafts in the middle of the draft.

Next, look at the list of free agents and think about who you can get for $12 million, assuming you sign two minimum salary guys to fill out the other roster spots. Then consider that Courtney Lee got $12 million last summer, and the cap is going up so average salaries offered will too.

Really, cap space is not a realistic option for signing a starter.

[CrazyKnicks]

A two year reasonable extension if he stays somewhat healthy and team does ok. That way him and Melo would come off the books at the same time and we can build with KP and capspace (with Noah, Lee and Thomas coming off the books the year after).

[FemaleDogPlease]

I'm cool with extending Derrick Rose.

[malik959]

What's interesting is that the vast, vast majority of the responses to an extension seems to be "NO". And yet Rose was the preference to be the PG over every other potential free agent PG except Chris Paul (that includes Kyle Lowry, Jrue Holiday, George Hill or basically the best starting PG options). So that tells me:

1. Folks believe Chris Paul is a real option via free agency
2. Folks think the Knicks can actually get a better PG outside of free agency (by trading Lance Thomas and Kyle O'Quinn)
3. Folks aren't really thinking out their responses (either in this thread or the other thread) clearly
4. Folks that like to vote in polls don't like to post their opinions
5. All (or some combination) of the above

You took the words right out of my mouth!!

KNICK fans are hilarious in thinking we can magically walk into a "player store" and just pick whoever we want. Does anybody recognize how unrealistic and ridiculous that is???

Please Please wake up and stop the lofty dreams that we can have whoever we want. If that were true, LeBron, Steph and Durant would all be in a KNICK uniform today....but they're not.

If we don't extend Rose, then REALISTICALLY who else is available to us...AND wants to be here??? That is the true question. Some of us need to stop playing fantasy basketball and float back down to reality.

I doubt Derrick Rose wants to sit out the rest of his career injured and on the bench. He recognizes his best years are behind him and that the KNICKS are probably his last stop in his career. So a SMART deal that's less and shorter than his current one is not a bad idea. Rose is better than any PG we had in more than a decade... or do I need to post reminder videos of Jose Calderon and Toney Douglas at the point???

It's time for us to wake up and stop dreaming!!

A lot of fans just fail to realize that Players aren't kicking down the Knicks door to be with us. From players like G. Hill, C.Web, LBJ, and now C. Paul, these players were all linked to be coming to the Knicks in some way, but we still ended up with the 3rd string superstar signings like C. Weatherspoon, S. Anderson, Z. Randolph, Harrington. Hell the best we could get was a broke Amare and an aging Chandler.

I'd prefer to sign Rose early, possibly to a 2-3 year deal and use the rest to replace Thomas.

[NoLayupRule]

Not rule something out isn't unite the same as saying you want to do it or will do it

Rose has been impressive it still needs a long way to go

And he needs to be reasonable with his extension in both amount and length

Ifs far too early to start this conversation for real

[Jeff Van Gully]

I just keep thinking... If we didn't get him off Chicago we could've signed Wade and Chicago couldn't have.

how? the trade did not clear cap space for chicago. the salaries nearly matched.

signing noah and lee precluded the knicks having any available money for wade. and i don't know why if he left miami it wouldn't have been for chicago anyway.

lee was smart money. but getting noah was a major tipping point in landing lee. it was noah's phone call that sold lee. we might have been hard pressed to get him at all, let alone at the price we did, if noah wasn't working the phones.

but, in the no rose dream scenario, d-wade joins the knicks to create a starting five of:

calderon
wade
melo
KP
lopez

?

They matched up but remember Chicago could only sign Wade because they traded Jose with 2 2nds to the Lakers. Noah was only signed because we didn't have a C in this situation we couldn't have signed Lee but Wade would've been open to come here. Remember there were reports that he was thinking of NY when signing.

That dream scenario is what I had in mind though. Maybe even starting Ennings. We wouldn't have Holiday and Lee but I remember when reports first started coming out about Wade not signing in Miami they said his top choices were NY, Denver, and Chicago. If we had RoLo already it could've been an easy signing.

that's a lot of monday morning quarterbacking.

so we were to just know that miami and d-wade wasn't going to work out...

then, sit on the same team during the offseason and hope wade wanted to sign, under that crazy circumstance deep into free agency that no one really knew was going to happen until it did?

and then... when wade signs with chicago anyway... we trot out the exact same team as before with no significant changes?

maybe a maxed-out unworthy SG?

[E-Balla]

I just keep thinking... If we didn't get him off Chicago we could've signed Wade and Chicago couldn't have.

Wade? LOL. Wade was never coming here.

You guys are piping in this thread. I'm cool extending Rose. Just extend Jennings too.

Only other team in it was Denver. And anyone good extending Rose that complained about Jose doesn't know basketball. Plain and simple. They're equally terrible in opposite ways.

[E-Balla]

how? the trade did not clear cap space for chicago. the salaries nearly matched.

signing noah and lee precluded the knicks having any available money for wade. and i don't know why if he left miami it wouldn't have been for chicago anyway.

lee was smart money. but getting noah was a major tipping point in landing lee. it was noah's phone call that sold lee. we might have been hard pressed to get him at all, let alone at the price we did, if noah wasn't working the phones.

but, in the no rose dream scenario, d-wade joins the knicks to create a starting five of:

calderon
wade
melo
KP
lopez

?

They matched up but remember Chicago could only sign Wade because they traded Jose with 2 2nds to the Lakers. Noah was only signed because we didn't have a C in this situation we couldn't have signed Lee but Wade would've been open to come here. Remember there were reports that he was thinking of NY when signing.

That dream scenario is what I had in mind though. Maybe even starting Ennings. We wouldn't have Holiday and Lee but I remember when reports first started coming out about Wade not signing in Miami they said his top choices were NY, Denver, and Chicago. If we had RoLo already it could've been an easy signing.

that's a lot of monday morning quarterbacking.

so we were to just know that miami and d-wade wasn't going to work out...

then, sit on the same team during the offseason and hope wade wanted to sign, under that crazy circumstance deep into free agency that no one really knew was going to happen until it did?

and then... when wade signs with chicago anyway... we trot out the exact same team as before with no significant changes?

maybe a maxed-out unworthy SG?

1. Chicago couldn't sign Wade with Rose on the books. They had to trade Jose to fit him.

2. Yeah this is in hindsight. What's not hindsight? Noah and Rose were terrible acquisitions and we gave up a B+ deal to get 2 scrubs that made us worse and destroyed flexibility. Flexibility that could've had us in the running for Wade.

[Mike Breen]

No. There's no market for Derrick Rose. Just wait until the offseason

[Adelheid]

You really cant say that Wade wasn't re-signing in CHI

I have no confidence in Phil making the savvy choices in contract negotiations. Expect the extension to be like 4yr just like Noah's.
Old man is desperate for FAs, he ended up overpaying for Noah even if he had known that he cannot play Noah for 30mins+.

[magnumt]

Quick, someone check on Knickstape!

--Mags

KT's reaction now...



KT's reaction if it happens...

--Mags

[AmazingJason]

You really cant say that Wade wasn't re-signing in CHI

I have no confidence in Phil making the savvy choices in contract negotiations. Expect the extension to be like 4yr just like Noah's.
Old man is desperate for FAs, he ended up overpaying for Noah even if he had known that he cannot play Noah for 30mins+.

Phil is like Isiah.

Except instead of trading draft picks for other team's unwanted players, Phil just signs them in FA to long term deals