Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season

[Capn'O]

On that play, Rose could have gotten to a place where he could have easily placed the pass if he were looking to do so. So it's a dangerous pass from the spots he ended up but good point guards know where those triple threat spots are gonna open up. Lonzo Ball would have found him in his sleep.

[Knicksfan20]

I Don't mind resigning him if we cant get Steph Curry, Chris Paul, Jrue Holiday, Kyle Lowry, maybe even Jeff Teague. George Hill having a hell of a year too.

I do not want Derrick Rose at the Max or close to the max. We need a Point Guard who Is going to look to distribute the ball and can hit 3s. Rose would be great for the team if he could change his playstyle, but he wont. But so far I have liked Rose and what he has provided, just wish he would pass to Porzingis more on those pick and pop plays where Zingis fades out to the 3pt line after setting a good pick. Normally Rose draws two men and then takes a 13 foot contested 1 hand push shot.

Brandon Jennings has been much better so far this year as far as being a "point guard." I wouldn't mind seeing the two switch roles and let Rose Score off the bench if that's what he wants to do. Especially if we go small with Zingis at 5 and Melo at 4.

Zingis
Melo
Holiday
Lee
Jennings

Is my favorite lineup.

[taikibansei]

I don't know much but it looks like passing to Porzingis in that situation is what you would call a dangerous pass. There are 3 okc players between them. There's no double team so you can bet that the defenders are looking at the passing lanes. There are better examples of Rose's lack of court vision.

He has Lee open too, with an easier passing angle. That said...that third frame is a wide-open pass to KP, which he would have seen if he'd looked up.

I like these slides because they show a tendency I've seen in Rose. He decides way too early (for a point guard) whether to shoot or to pass. And when he decides he's going to shoot, that's it. The head goes down, the eyes glaze over--he'll keep feinting and dribbling until he gets that shot off. He rarely changes his mind.

As others have noted, he's really probably better now as a shooting guard/scorer than as a point guard.

Lee is not open, Westbrook was between them the whole time. If Westbrook committed on the double team Lee would have been open. Westbrook only looked away from Lee when Rose started the act of shooting. For Porzingis even on that third frame I don't see the passing angle. Is Rose supposed to throw a parabola pass over the head of the big men that would go back down to Porzings? The available pass would have been where the referee is, if Porzingis relocated maybe he could have gotten the ball. As I said there are better examples.

I agree on Rose making up his mind way too early but I disagree that he would be better as an sg. He is a horrible off-ball player. He can't shoot and he does not cut. Spacing will get worse as his man will leave him in the three point line. He set decent screens to free up the others, but that's such a waste. There's no other way to utilize his ability to penetrate than him having the ball most of the time. He's a pg for better or worse.

You don't see the passing angles available in the following slides?!



Where's this big man that Rose would have had to throw the ball over? I can't see him in this slide. (Are you talking about the guy Noah is holding? That person wasn't blocking anybody.)




Again, where's this big man that Rose would have had to throw the ball over? I can't see him in this slide. That's a straight pass with no defender between them.



This might have been a dangerous pass as is. What you can't see in this slide (but you can see in the one preceding it) is where Russell has left Lee to help out with stopping Rose's penetration. I.e., Rose has done something that Jose never could, forcing a defense to react to a dribble penetration. If Rose had just kept driving, Russell would have moved further over, enabling an easier pass to Lee (or KP). However, Rose is in shot mode by this point, with passing not an option for him. He instead moves to his right for a contested jumper, a bad shot.

[Capn'O]

It's still a bit early--and he's playing much better than expected (even trying on defense)--but I would lean toward NOT keeping him around. Or, if we did, I'd want it to be at a much lower annual salary. Rose can still put up big individual numbers on occasion, but he's no longer a game-changer on his own...and just doesn't have the consistency as a play-maker that we need going forward.

I've stolen the following sequence from a posting to the General Board. It pretty much sums up my current feelings on the Rose extension idea:

Porzingis: "Nice screen Noah, I'm completely open for a corner 3 one of the most efficient shots in basketball, I just need Derrick to pass me the ball."


Porzingis: "I see Derrick cannot see me, so I will extend my right arm."


Porzingis: "Perhaps I am not visible to Derrick yet, I will extend both arms now."


Porzingis: "Noah has locked down my man for a long time now, I better hold both arms straight up because I don't know how much longer Noah can hold my defender."


Lee: "Derrick, Russell has stopped guarding me and I can also shoot 3s. I'm right here."


Rose: "Turnaround hanging contested fadeaway jumper...exactly the play I wanted."

I don't know much but it looks like passing to Porzingis in that situation is what you would call a dangerous pass. There are 3 okc players between them. There's no double team so you can bet that the defenders are looking at the passing lanes. There are better examples of Rose's lack of court vision.

By the third photo, there is an easy pass to make to the corner.

Passes to the corner for the 3 are pretty common in the NBA these days. It's not an impossible pass to make.

It becomes even easier after photo 3 and 4 where instead of doubling back he could keep moving across the lane, forcing Adams to further commit.

[Swarles Xavier]

By the third photo, there is an easy pass to make to the corner.

Passes to the corner for the 3 are pretty common in the NBA these days. It's not an impossible pass to make.

That pass would have been through the base line, but Oladipo closed the base line. When Rose spun maybe he could've jump passed instead, but everybody hates those too.

[taikibansei]

By the third photo, there is an easy pass to make to the corner.

Passes to the corner for the 3 are pretty common in the NBA these days. It's not an impossible pass to make.

That pass would have been through the base line, but Oladipo closed the base line. When Rose spun maybe he could've jump passed instead, but everybody hates those too.

Or, you know, Rose could have kept moving through the key--i.e., continue the aggressive move which got Russell to leave Lee in the first place--until the passing angles improved and he could get a pass off. (Though, again, he had KP open in the third slide and especially the fourth slide.)

My problem, though, is not that Rose didn't make the pass, but how he seemed NEVER to have thought about passing once during that sequence. That is my issue with Rose. Again, he commits to either shooting or passing way too early a lot of times, instead of reacting to what the defenses give him.

[HEZI]

You guys do realize that Rose made that shot, right?

And he made the next shot after that

And he found Porzingis for a 3 in the left corner on the play after that

Yes folks Derrick Rose does have a better post game than Kristaps Porzingis and he did abuse Oladipo on the block on back to back plays and he is also allowed to score the ball and no Kristaps Porzingis will not shoot 15 three pointers per game

[blueNorange]

derrick rose isn't a good point guard, why is that hard to understand ? we're not making it up, he's clearly done and it's obvious to the eye.

his 30 point game was very hollow, he ignored guys left and right. driving to the rim is maggette ball and that isn't basketball.

[Knicksfan20]

derrick rose isn't a good point guard, why is that hard to understand ? we're not making it up, he's clearly done and it's obvious to the eye.

his 30 point game was very hollow, he ignored guys left and right. driving to the rim is maggette ball and that isn't basketball.

Rose has been pretty good outside the fact that he tends to tunnel. He is explosive and quick and penetrates at will. He off looks KP a lot, not sure if it has to do with Rose wanting to be #2 or if he just doesn't understand what the "right" play is.


Either way, I am pleased with Rose...especially after what we have had for the point guard position over the years. Rose has been quick with the ball and explosive to the rim. Finishing well on both sides of the rim/avoiding blocks and making his free throws.

You can make an argument he is a big reason for 2 of our wins...And he kept us in the game vs the Thunder.


How exactly is he done? I don't understand this. He is just playing a little selfish because he is in a contract year and has something to prove. In my opinion he has looked pretty good out there.

[Dr. Detfink]

Knicks have a problem. Both Rose and Jennings are free agents.

[BadNewsBarnes]

Knicks have an opportunity. Both Rose and Jennings are free agents.

Fixed.

[bringinhinkie]

I don't watch much basketball anymore, but I have caught a few knick games this year..

He is not a quality nba player..

The team is far better with Jennings out there. It's very obvious rose is just trying to score and get a contract. He has absolutely zero court vision. I never knew it was this bad. Drives right, guy open on left side of basket, misses every time. Drives, d collapses, guy wide open for 3, keeps his head down and goes to the rim with 2 guys on him. Over and over and over again.

While I know it's Westbrook, his d last game was just inexcusable. You know the high pick n roll is coming, can you at least try and adjust? Maybe try and fight over one? You aren't going to be able to slip and keep up with Westbrook--which is what he did every time and Russ literally got high elbow/in the paint at will. It was hard to watch.

And for all the slack ppl used to give Westbrook for lack of vision/being a team player, he clearllllly improved on this facet of his game. TO prone yes, but that comes with his style and usage.. I was shocked how involved he got his teammates (consistently). His motor and will to win is off the charts. What a player. (How the f*** does Durant leave a guy like this!?!?)

The Noah signing at least has off the court +'s. Leadership, mentor ship,etc. And he does still have the vision and rebounding. Overpay, yes, but they were able to (cap). Do not underestimate his effect on hernangomez, porzingis, etc. I think his ft woes are making him look worse than he has been as well.

If rose went down with an injury tomorrow (not that I wish injury on anyone), the team would instantly improve. Jennings should be getting 30mpg. He is flawed but he is trying to play team ball and his vision has been solid. I don't know why hornacek snubbed him down the stretch the other night.

[br7knicks]

unless it's for a S&T for a young, promising player/draft pick, why?

[NoLayupRule]

derrick rose isn't a good point guard, why is that hard to understand ? we're not making it up, he's clearly done and it's obvious to the eye.

his 30 point game was very hollow, he ignored guys left and right. driving to the rim is maggette ball and that isn't basketball.

garbage post

stop trolling

hes averaging 17ppg, 5apg, 4.5 rpg on .43% shooting with a new team and still very much getting back to his rhythm

stop your trolling and baiting

[NYKnicksTAPE]

Rose plays more like a SG who can't shoot than a PG to me, it's like we have Monta Ellis running point out there

[rajajackal]

no hate on rose, but i'd rather keep jennings and try to find someone else this summer if there's an opportunity to. even if that means we start jennings next year

[NBA Fan 1234]

derrick rose isn't a good point guard, why is that hard to understand ? we're not making it up, he's clearly done and it's obvious to the eye.

his 30 point game was very hollow, he ignored guys left and right. driving to the rim is maggette ball and that isn't basketball.

garbage post

stop trolling

hes averaging 17ppg, 5apg, 4.5 rpg on .43% shooting with a new team and still very much getting back to his rhythm

stop your trolling and baiting

4.9 assists to 2.7 turnovers; 16.8 points on 15.1 shots; 25.9% from three; 103 oRTG vs 113 dRTG; -1.6 bpm; .048ws/48; and 50.4% TS% (which is the first time it's been over 50% since 2011-2012...and is still significantly below league average).

That is very bad.

[j4remi]

I think D-Rose would be a beast 6th man though...

[moocow007]

No. There's no market for Derrick Rose. Just wait until the offseason

I could see Sacramento doing it.

Why? Just because.

...that and because of this man...

[god shammgod]

I think D-Rose would be a beast 6th man though...

at one time i thought that jennings should be the early sub for rose so he could play with the bench more. but jennings is really what makes that unit work. not sure that rose would.