Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season

[thebuzzardman]

derrick rose isn't a good point guard, why is that hard to understand ? we're not making it up, he's clearly done and it's obvious to the eye.

his 30 point game was very hollow, he ignored guys left and right. driving to the rim is maggette ball and that isn't basketball.

garbage post

stop trolling

hes averaging 17ppg, 5apg, 4.5 rpg on .43% shooting with a new team and still very much getting back to his rhythm

stop your trolling and baiting

4.9 assists to 2.7 turnovers; 16.8 points on 15.1 shots; 25.9% from three; 103 oRTG vs 113 dRTG; -1.6 bpm; .048ws/48; and 50.4% TS% (which is the first time it's been over 50% since 2011-2012...and is still significantly below league average).

That is very bad.

Melo is to TKF as Rose is to Knickstape1214

[Deeeez Knicks]

Chris Paul is obviously the best and would be a fit on any team.

Jrue would be a great fit here too as a consolation...maybe Justin can recruit him??

It might be more likely that Jrue recruits Justin over there.

[moocow007]

So yeah...Rose...

Again, in the same vein that Carmelo Anthony isn't Lebron James...and folks shouldn't judge Anthony based on how much he can't be like James...Derrick Rose really shouldn't be judged based on how much he can't be a Steve Nash or [insert another elite pass first PG].

I've said this several times about Anthony's detractors and will carry it on with Rose's detractors as well...he is NOT a past first PG. Never has been...not before the Bulls with Mempis and not before Memphis when he was studding at Simeon. To expect him to be one and then be furious that he's not is just plain silly. Same with when the Knicks had Marbury.

Nor did he trade himself to the Knicks situation.

So if you really believe that Jackson (or whomever is or will be in charge) is going to be unable to build this team other than a single decision of whether to extend Rose or not AND that what the Knicks therefore needs, in their only possible move in the offseason ("because no one wants to play in NY" or "they have no assets to trade") then...NO...Rose isn't likely to be a difference maker to take this team to the next level and therefore...MAYBE NO...you wouldn't want to extend him (I say MAYBE cause there actually could be worse options, in fact the likelihood is that worse than Rose is the other option if they don't bring back Rose).

But at the end of the day, the same issue with Anthony. It's not Rose you should be hating...it's our front office for not being able to add the right pieces to build a team that fit together and win. Rose can be extremely productive and beneficial in the right role and right system. Do the Knicks have that system? Ask Phil Jackson. Can they get a working system going? Ask Phil Jackson. If they fail who should be blamed? Again...ask Phil Jackson.

To angst and fury should be directed at our front office.

Rose does certain things extremely well, even after the knee problems. So he can without question be productive. But you can't just simply throw him into the mix and expect great things if what he does best isn't what the team needs most.

[god shammgod]

paco sticks to facts tho

[god shammgod]

i'm not really a rose fan but i don't think he's having quite the detrimental effect his stats say. i think there's a certain amount of attention given to him by the defense that helps melo & kp. the combo of rose and noah is bad because you can play off both of them because they can't shoot. that's the fundamental flaw in the starting lineup.

[King of Canada]

Personally I love the fact that Rose's contract is over this season. I hope that we make a smart choice, and it probably depends on what happens this season. If we can make the playoffs and win a series Rose probably comes back, but hopefully on a decent deal at the absolute most. If we are a mess for the rest of the season they HAVE to let him walk. I don't want to see another aging guy on a long contract. Melo should be the last long contract on the Knicks from that generation. It's time to look to the future.

[moocow007]

I think D-Rose would be a beast 6th man though...

That may not be untrue.

[Knicksfan1992]

i'm not really a rose fan but i don't think he's having quite the detrimental effect his stats say. i think there's a certain amount of attention given to him by the defense that helps melo & kp. the combo of rose and noah is bad because you can play off both of them because they can't shoot. that's the fundamental flaw in the starting lineup.

Rose's stats have steadily climbed up since that team meeting. He seems to be getting into game shape and finishing a little better over the past 2 weeks. His RPM ranking for point guards was in the 80's when it first came out and now he's in the 60's. I don't know if he'll ever be better than above average but, I think his game is generally over-hated on here too much.

[moocow007]

Relating to Rose...

I get the sense that Anthony is "peacocking". Trying to prove (possibly to the other 2 potential alpha dogs) that he is still THE alpha dog.

On Rose's part I think there's also some thoughts of "peacocking" there that mixed in with his physical situation that is causing him to not be as consistent as he can be.

That was the danger of adding Rose, a former MVP and a guy that obviously has a lot of pride as a no.1 option, to this team that has already has a long time no.1 option (Anthony) AND another guy (Porzingis) who fans clearly want to be the no.1 option.

This is something that the coaching staff (or Phil Jackson) needs to get a handle on. The NY Post article that said that Hornacek allows Anthony to do whatever he wants basically is disconcerting.

IMO IF they (the 3 of them and the coaching staff) can all get on the same page and follow the same playbook, the Knicks can be very potent. IF they can't then I see a team that will win enough based on pure talent to basically be a treadmill team.

It's why I said that they MUST pick a head coach that can get the respect of the players and tighten the ship. Why Thibodeau would have been a great choice. He can without question get the Knicks defense (their biggest weakness) to run well and he is someone that you know both Rose and Anthony (the 2 guys they need to be productive and on the same page) deeply respects.

[god shammgod]

Relating to Rose...

I get the sense that Anthony is "peacocking". Trying to prove (possibly to the other 2 potential alpha dogs) that he is still THE alpha dog.

On Rose's part I think there's also some thoughts of "peacocking" there that mixed in with his physical situation that is causing him to not be as consistent as he can be.

That was the danger of adding Rose, a former MVP and a guy that obviously has a lot of pride as a no.1 option, to this team that has already has a long time no.1 option (Anthony) AND another guy (Porzingis) who fans clearly want to be the no.1 option.

This is something that the coaching staff (or Phil Jackson) needs to get a handle on. IMO IF they (the 3 of them and the coaching staff) can all get on the same page and follow the same playbook, the Knicks can be very potent. IF they can't then I see a team that will win enough based on pure talent to basically be a treadmill team.

It's why I said that they MUST pick a head coach that can get the respect of the players and tighten the ship.

i don't really know that it's intentional. i think rose and melo are both guys who have scored one on one a lot and it's natural to them. the players seemingly weren't interested in the triangle and so i think jeff has given them a lot of freedom. and if given that freedom they're gonna do what makes them the most comfortable.

[moocow007]

Relating to Rose...

I get the sense that Anthony is "peacocking". Trying to prove (possibly to the other 2 potential alpha dogs) that he is still THE alpha dog.

On Rose's part I think there's also some thoughts of "peacocking" there that mixed in with his physical situation that is causing him to not be as consistent as he can be.

That was the danger of adding Rose, a former MVP and a guy that obviously has a lot of pride as a no.1 option, to this team that has already has a long time no.1 option (Anthony) AND another guy (Porzingis) who fans clearly want to be the no.1 option.

This is something that the coaching staff (or Phil Jackson) needs to get a handle on. IMO IF they (the 3 of them and the coaching staff) can all get on the same page and follow the same playbook, the Knicks can be very potent. IF they can't then I see a team that will win enough based on pure talent to basically be a treadmill team.

It's why I said that they MUST pick a head coach that can get the respect of the players and tighten the ship.

i don't really know that it's intentional. i think rose and melo are both guys who have scored one on one a lot and it's natural to them. the players seemingly weren't interested in the triangle and so i think jeff has given them a lot of freedom. and if given that freedom they're gonna do what makes them the most comfortable.

If so, then that's not good either. I can' understand not wanting to force the Triangle. The Knicks simply don't have the players for it. But Hornacek shouldn't be allowing the players to do whatever they want either. There's only so much freedom that can be had and still win.

[j4remi]

I think D-Rose would be a beast 6th man though...

at one time i thought that jennings should be the early sub for rose so he could play with the bench more. but jennings is really what makes that unit work. not sure that rose would.

I think Jennings impact could be similar for the starters though and I'd make that trade off with the hope that Rose would overwhelm most second unit defenses which would keep the second unit effective even if the aesthetic wouldn't be as fun.

[god shammgod]

Relating to Rose...

I get the sense that Anthony is "peacocking". Trying to prove (possibly to the other 2 potential alpha dogs) that he is still THE alpha dog.

On Rose's part I think there's also some thoughts of "peacocking" there that mixed in with his physical situation that is causing him to not be as consistent as he can be.

That was the danger of adding Rose, a former MVP and a guy that obviously has a lot of pride as a no.1 option, to this team that has already has a long time no.1 option (Anthony) AND another guy (Porzingis) who fans clearly want to be the no.1 option.

This is something that the coaching staff (or Phil Jackson) needs to get a handle on. IMO IF they (the 3 of them and the coaching staff) can all get on the same page and follow the same playbook, the Knicks can be very potent. IF they can't then I see a team that will win enough based on pure talent to basically be a treadmill team.

It's why I said that they MUST pick a head coach that can get the respect of the players and tighten the ship.

i don't really know that it's intentional. i think rose and melo are both guys who have scored one on one a lot and it's natural to them. the players seemingly weren't interested in the triangle and so i think jeff has given them a lot of freedom. and if given that freedom they're gonna do what makes them the most comfortable.

If so, then that's not good either. I can' understand not wanting to force the Triangle. The Knicks simply don't have the players for it. But Hornacek shouldn't be allowing the players to do whatever they want either. There's only so much freedom that can be had and still win.

it takes practice time to install things though. if they spent all of training camp and preseason learning the triangle and now they're mostly ignoring it, there probably isn't much they can run besides simple things which is what it looks like.

[NBA Fan 1234]

garbage post

stop trolling

hes averaging 17ppg, 5apg, 4.5 rpg on .43% shooting with a new team and still very much getting back to his rhythm

stop your trolling and baiting

4.9 assists to 2.7 turnovers; 16.8 points on 15.1 shots; 25.9% from three; 103 oRTG vs 113 dRTG; -1.6 bpm; .048ws/48; and 50.4% TS% (which is the first time it's been over 50% since 2011-2012...and is still significantly below league average).

That is very bad.

Melo is to TKF as Rose is to Knickstape1214

I don't think it's that far. My feelings towards him come from him possibly being re-signed **** up our future, the selfish nature, and my opinion that he's simply not good - it doesn't come from me hating him for no reason.

[j4remi]

it takes practice time to install things though. if they spent all of training camp and preseason learning the triangle and now they're mostly ignoring it, there probably isn't much they can run besides simple things which is what it looks like.

Don't forget that Rose missed pretty much the whole preseason, so they really never got the chance to do a triangle boot camp with him. I'm not sure it would have helped, especially with the whole team seeming to want a different direction; but being fair to Rose, he didn't get the time to figure it out to begin with.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I think D-Rose would be a beast 6th man though...

That may not be untrue.

That was my opinion of Rose last year. He kinda reminds me of Tyreke Evans a little at this point. More of a scorer then a pg....and an inefficient one at that. Given Rose’s flaws and strengths, he could probably help a team the most as an instant offense guy off the bench. But maybe not the best fit here as a 6th man.

Overall, better then what we had last year, but not someone we should lock up long term with big money.

[ctorres]

If the extension can only go for 3 years, then that doesn't sound too bad. He has had a really good attitude all season too. By the end of a 3 year extension he would still be under 32 years of age.

I also think Hornacek is a good coach for him. Hornacek can get the best out of him.

huh?

do you not see how terrible he runs an offense?

do you not see that if he's not scoring, he's looking for his buddy melo?

derrick rose is everything this team should be against, has beens who still think they're entitled to call their number.

Sorry bno, my bad buddy. Hope you're having a good day!

[Adelheid]

Relating to Rose...

I get the sense that Anthony is "peacocking". Trying to prove (possibly to the other 2 potential alpha dogs) that he is still THE alpha dog.

On Rose's part I think there's also some thoughts of "peacocking" there that mixed in with his physical situation that is causing him to not be as consistent as he can be.

That was the danger of adding Rose, a former MVP and a guy that obviously has a lot of pride as a no.1 option, to this team that has already has a long time no.1 option (Anthony) AND another guy (Porzingis) who fans clearly want to be the no.1 option.

This is something that the coaching staff (or Phil Jackson) needs to get a handle on. IMO IF they (the 3 of them and the coaching staff) can all get on the same page and follow the same playbook, the Knicks can be very potent. IF they can't then I see a team that will win enough based on pure talent to basically be a treadmill team.

It's why I said that they MUST pick a head coach that can get the respect of the players and tighten the ship.

i don't really know that it's intentional. i think rose and melo are both guys who have scored one on one a lot and it's natural to them. the players seemingly weren't interested in the triangle and so i think jeff has given them a lot of freedom. and if given that freedom they're gonna do what makes them the most comfortable.

If so, then that's not good either. I can' understand not wanting to force the Triangle. The Knicks simply don't have the players for it. But Hornacek shouldn't be allowing the players to do whatever they want either. There's only so much freedom that can be had and still win.

Sounds so ominous. Dont be surprised if this take makes its way to the beat writers and they conjure a piece that reads just like this.

[DrCoach]

Let's see where our record stands in 6 weeks, if we are winning, then we resign for no more than 2+1 or 3 yrs

If we are losing, we draft a Pg

[MaseInYourFace]

There's some rumors online that Thibodeau would be willing to trade for Noah because of their familiarity and because he feels timberpups team lacks vet leadership. Now based on how poorly Noah has played until now I don't think that is happening lol, but let's say Noah eventually plays better I think there is some slight hope there that you can maybe pull a trade in the offseason and supposedly Rubio is one of the players Thibs would be willing to trade.