Kyle Lowry might see Spurs as an alternative option, would that make sense for him?

[Rapcity_11]

People really gotta stop talking about S&T (they don't really happen) and team options (never happen on contracts for elite players).

[TradeLowry]

I answered your questions, teams can drop salary to sign lowry. And even pointed out last off-season(DURANT) Any team without a PG better than Lowry would be willing to drop salary to sign him. Just stop! This is the NBA. Your best players win games but I'm not going to dump salary sitting on the bench to upgrade a position with an All-star?

But you answered my question by saying lowry's interview is just a negotiation tactic. You're obviously not going to bite? You're obviously ready to play the negotiating game come next off-season.

So you're prepared to let negotiations go past 12:01 and let Lowry see what's out there? lol Thank god you aren't our GM

No, you did not answer my questions... How are they going to drop salaries? You listed like 7 teams... Give me some examples of those teams... What salaries (players) are those teams going to drop and who are they going to trade them to that has the CAPSPACE RIGHT NOW and will absorb the entire salary without giving any back? You can't drop salary at the end of the season, that's not how the CBA works... If dumping salary is so easy, why don't we just dump a bunch of our lower-level players so we can replace them with Milsap in the offseason? Keep playing NBA 2K you have no idea how the NBA actually works.

Secondly, of those teams which ones are going to drop major pieces from their team unless they know for sure they have a chance to sign Lowry or another Big Free Agent... That's just another point you fail to realize... Lowry isn't the only free agent on the market... Who says Lowry is the first choice that Brooklyn, Philly, and Dallas or the other 7 teams that don't have the cap space are calling at the 12:01 you keep harping on? There are better and other players in the market, stop acting like Lowry has a monopoly on Free Agency...

In addition, I brought up Durant because he IS a HOF, franchise changing, once in a generational player, that is not over 30 years old so YES teams are willing to spend 35% of their cap room on... LOWRY, though a Top 7 PG IS NOT one of those players...

Finally, no I'm not going to bite... I would give Lowry a more than fair offer which is 4yrs at Demar DeRozan money maybe a mill or two more per season... 4yrs/112m-120m... If he wants a 5th year, fine but it will be a team option... That is not a slap in the face... I'll happily stay in an environment I enjoy for 120k a year, rather than uproot my life into an unknown situation for 145k per year, and that's how most people in world think with a family...

I am also happy you are not the Raptors GM, you would have us in Luxury Cap hell with only DeRozan, Lowry on the team or you would trade Lowry for pennies on the dollar cause for some reason you see him as a 200m man and you're scared he's gonna walk cause he made a little interview at the beginning of the season. MLSE might and I mean might pay a little luxury tax, but they sure as hell aren't going to be a repeater tax team paying $3-$4 for every dollar over the luxury tax. No team is, and that's exactly what the Raptors would become if you give a 35% Max deal to Lowry.

Please tell me you are a salesperson somewhere cause I want to buy something from you... You're an absolute pushover... Me: "I want it for $10 or else I'm going somewhere else." You: "Well I don't want that, how about I give it to you for $5"

Same way the warriors did last year with Bogut to sign Durant

Same way the bulls did with dunleavy to sign Wade

Same way Spurs traded Diaw to sign Gasol

It is so easy to trade contracts in the off-season under the old CBA when Mozgov is getting 16 million per. You can dump salary no problem but examples above show how easy it is to do so. HISTORY! FACTS! FACTS AS earlier as last off-season refer above!!!

And the fact that you say 4 years? lmao you're screwed, it's 5 years or nothing and he walks. You got Cojo and Dwright running the point with no cap space.

Good job buddy

[Skeezo]

Same way the warriors did last year with Bogut to sign Durant

Same way the bulls did with dunleavy to sign Wade

Same way Spurs traded Diaw to sign Gasol

It is so easy to trade contracts in the off-season under the old CBA when Mozgov is getting 16 million per. You can dump salary no problem but examples above show how easy it is to do so. HISTORY! FACTS! FACTS AS earlier as last off-season refer above!!!

Last year was easy to dump salary cause over 20 Teams had salary cap space... Something that has NEVER happened in HISTORY of the league... Facts, Fact, Facts...

There is not 20 teams in the league that have cap space next year... Secondly, you brought up Dunleavy (5m), Diaw (7m), and Bogut (11m)... All the teams you mentioned of creating space for Lowrys need to dump over 10m in salary... GS had to dump Bogut, a GOOD player for NOTHING... Again give me some examples of the teams you mentioned... What players are they going to dump and who would be willing to absorb the player into their cap space? Let's also remember Diaw, Dunleavy and Bogut deals all took longer than 12:01am to consummate.

[TradeLowry]

Same way the warriors did last year with Bogut to sign Durant

Same way the bulls did with dunleavy to sign Wade

Same way Spurs traded Diaw to sign Gasol

It is so easy to trade contracts in the off-season under the old CBA when Mozgov is getting 16 million per. You can dump salary no problem but examples above show how easy it is to do so. HISTORY! FACTS! FACTS AS earlier as last off-season refer above!!!

Last year was easy to dump salary cause over 20 Teams had salary cap space... Something that has NEVER happened in HISTORY of the league... Facts, Fact, Facts...

There is not 20 teams in the league that have cap space next year... Secondly, you brought up Dunleavy (5m), Diaw (7m), and Bogut (11m)... All the teams you mentioned of creating space for Lowrys need to dump over 10m in salary... GS had to dump Bogut, a GOOD player for NOTHING... Again give me some examples of the teams you mentioned... What players are they going to dump and who would be willing to absorb the player into their cap space? Let's also remember Diaw, Dunleavy and Bogut deals all took longer than 12:01am to consummate.

They don't have to be done by 12:01 smh. This is how it goes down

Lowry and his agent come at 12:01 and say we want 175 over 5 years or we'll see what's out there. You are obviously going to say no from what you've been posting on here? Put this franchise at risk of losing lowry and still have no cap space? You're taking that chance?

Because once you do that, you are no longer in the driverseat. Lowry is like, "I've played on value contracts my whole damn 11 year career, busted my ass for this franchise and I'm finally in a position to get paid, THIS IS HOW YOU TREAT ME? 4 YEARS?!

That's your approach come off-season?

[TradeLowry]

Same way the warriors did last year with Bogut to sign Durant

Same way the bulls did with dunleavy to sign Wade

Same way Spurs traded Diaw to sign Gasol

It is so easy to trade contracts in the off-season under the old CBA when Mozgov is getting 16 million per. You can dump salary no problem but examples above show how easy it is to do so. HISTORY! FACTS! FACTS AS earlier as last off-season refer above!!!

Last year was easy to dump salary cause over 20 Teams had salary cap space... Something that has NEVER happened in HISTORY of the league... Facts, Fact, Facts...

There is not 20 teams in the league that have cap space next year... Secondly, you brought up Dunleavy (5m), Diaw (7m), and Bogut (11m)... All the teams you mentioned of creating space for Lowrys need to dump over 10m in salary... GS had to dump Bogut, a GOOD player for NOTHING... Again give me some examples of the teams you mentioned... What players are they going to dump and who would be willing to absorb the player into their cap space? Let's also remember Diaw, Dunleavy and Bogut deals all took longer than 12:01am to consummate.

They don't have to be done by 12:01 smh. This is how it goes down

Lowry and his agent come at 12:01 and say we want 175 over 5 years or we'll see what's out there. You are obviously going to say no from what you've been posting on here? Put this franchise at risk of losing lowry and still have no cap space? You're taking that chance?

Because once you do that, you are no longer in the driverseat. Lowry is like, "I've played on value contracts my whole damn 11 year career, busted my ass for this franchise and I'm finally in a position to get paid, THIS IS HOW YOU TREAT ME? 4 YEARS?!

That's your approach come off-season?

[Skeezo]

Same way the warriors did last year with Bogut to sign Durant

Same way the bulls did with dunleavy to sign Wade

Same way Spurs traded Diaw to sign Gasol

It is so easy to trade contracts in the off-season under the old CBA when Mozgov is getting 16 million per. You can dump salary no problem but examples above show how easy it is to do so. HISTORY! FACTS! FACTS AS earlier as last off-season refer above!!!

Last year was easy to dump salary cause over 20 Teams had salary cap space... Something that has NEVER happened in HISTORY of the league... Facts, Fact, Facts...

There is not 20 teams in the league that have cap space next year... Secondly, you brought up Dunleavy (5m), Diaw (7m), and Bogut (11m)... All the teams you mentioned of creating space for Lowrys need to dump over 10m in salary... GS had to dump Bogut, a GOOD player for NOTHING... Again give me some examples of the teams you mentioned... What players are they going to dump and who would be willing to absorb the player into their cap space? Let's also remember Diaw, Dunleavy and Bogut deals all took longer than 12:01am to consummate.

They don't have to be done by 12:01 smh. This is how it goes down

Lowry and his agent come at 12:01 and say we want 175 over 5 years or we'll see what's out there. You are obviously going to say no from what you've been posting on here? Put this franchise at risk of losing lowry and still have no cap space? You're taking that chance?

Because once you do that, you are no longer in the driverseat. Lowry is like, "I've played on value contracts my whole damn 11 year career, busted my ass for this franchise and I'm finally in a position to get paid, THIS IS HOW YOU TREAT ME? 4 YEARS?!

That's your approach come off-season?

Stop re-directing and answer the questions.... Who? What? and How?

Yes Kyle, at 4yrs/120m, the Raptors are making you the highest paid PG in the league... If you feel that is a slap in the face or that is a value contract, don't let the door hit you on the way out...

[TradeLowry]

Last year was easy to dump salary cause over 20 Teams had salary cap space... Something that has NEVER happened in HISTORY of the league... Facts, Fact, Facts...

There is not 20 teams in the league that have cap space next year... Secondly, you brought up Dunleavy (5m), Diaw (7m), and Bogut (11m)... All the teams you mentioned of creating space for Lowrys need to dump over 10m in salary... GS had to dump Bogut, a GOOD player for NOTHING... Again give me some examples of the teams you mentioned... What players are they going to dump and who would be willing to absorb the player into their cap space? Let's also remember Diaw, Dunleavy and Bogut deals all took longer than 12:01am to consummate.

They don't have to be done by 12:01 smh. This is how it goes down

Lowry and his agent come at 12:01 and say we want 175 over 5 years or we'll see what's out there. You are obviously going to say no from what you've been posting on here? Put this franchise at risk of losing lowry and still have no cap space? You're taking that chance?

Because once you do that, you are no longer in the driverseat. Lowry is like, "I've played on value contracts my whole damn 11 year career, busted my ass for this franchise and I'm finally in a position to get paid, THIS IS HOW YOU TREAT ME? 4 YEARS?!

That's your approach come off-season?

Stop re-directing and answer the questions.... Who? What? and How?

Yes Kyle, at 4yrs/120m, the Raptors are making you the highest paid PG in the league... If you feel that is a slap in the face or that is a value contract, don't let the door hit you on the way out...

He wants 5 years! He has said it! Lowry has played on value contracts his whole career, you have to pay him 5 years. Him and his agent know they aren't going to get a 30 million per deal at 35. Obvi he is going after as many years as he can get which is 5. He will get it.

But you'd rather let him walk for nothing? lol way to screw over the raptors

Finding out who he would sign with is irrelevant. you need to look at this situation logically. Is MU going to risk losing lowry for nothing over an extra year? when he is already over the cap? No. If he has an opportunity to sign him ala first crack like he did with Derozan, he will!

Especially since he's already over the cap. The Raptors have no flexibility and will only look like a horrible organization if they could have brought Lowry back but didn't agree to terms.

[slothrop8]

Lowry has the longstanding rivalry/competition with Mike Conley. Put me down for predicting that Lowry signs with us at 12:01 for slightly more than what Conley got. Conley got 5 for 153 - put me down for 5 for 160ish for Lowry - that's my guess. I suspect he gives us a pretty decent sized discount to come back - but still gets paid in a pretty big way in the grand scheme of things.

[Skeezo]

He wants 5 years! He has said it! Lowry has played on value contracts his whole career, you have to pay him 5 years. Him and his agent know they aren't going to get a 30 million per deal at 35. Obvi he is going after as many years as he can get which is 5. He will get it.

But you'd rather let him walk for nothing? lol way to screw over the raptors

Finding out who he would sign with is irrelevant. you need to look at this situation logically. Is MU going to risk losing lowry for nothing over an extra year? when he is already over the cap? No. If he has an opportunity to sign him ala first crack like he did with Derozan, he will!

Especially since he's already over the cap. The Raptors have no flexibility and will only look like a horrible organization if they could have brought Lowry back but didn't agree to terms.

He may want 5 years, He may get 5 years, but he is certainly not going to get 35% Max dollars at 5 years... What part of that don't you understand?

Go look up the what the term "Logically" means before telling people to use it... Any business person is going to take a look at the marketplace to determine who can actually offer him a contract and for how much? That is not an irrelevant question to ask... That is Logic, or in Greek terminology "Logos"

I'm not letting him Lowry walk for nothing... I'm just not giving him an offer that I don't need to just to keep him... As I said before just because Lowry wants 5 years doesn't mean he'll get it, what point do you not understand that we are the only ones that can offer 5 years? If he really wants the 5 years, that puts us back in the driver's seat again as to what we will pay him on a per year basis and it won't be over 30m per season at 5 years.... As I said before, Joey Bats from the Blue Jays wants 5 years, Is he getting it? No he's not & Baseball doesn't even have the same restrictive rules that Basketball does...

Another logical point... If you have to begin a rebuild eventually, would you rather have DeRozan and Lowry contracts end during the same year, or a year off from one another? If I'm rebuilding I'm trying to create a year where I have lots of cap space... Just another logical reason to only offer 4 years to Lowry...

Anyways... I'm done, there's no reasoning with you and you've certainly proven nothing to me but give me strawman arguments and examples of an offseason that has never happened in NBA history, and likely won't happen again for a long time to argue your reason fro why we need to give Lowry a 5 year 35% Max deal.

[TradeLowry]

He wants 5 years! He has said it! Lowry has played on value contracts his whole career, you have to pay him 5 years. Him and his agent know they aren't going to get a 30 million per deal at 35. Obvi he is going after as many years as he can get which is 5. He will get it.

But you'd rather let him walk for nothing? lol way to screw over the raptors

Finding out who he would sign with is irrelevant. you need to look at this situation logically. Is MU going to risk losing lowry for nothing over an extra year? when he is already over the cap? No. If he has an opportunity to sign him ala first crack like he did with Derozan, he will!

Especially since he's already over the cap. The Raptors have no flexibility and will only look like a horrible organization if they could have brought Lowry back but didn't agree to terms.

He may want 5 years, He may get 5 years, but he is certainly not going to get 35% Max dollars at 5 years... What part of that don't you understand?

Go look up the what the term "Logically" means before telling to use it... Any business person is going to take a look at the marketplace to determine who can actually offer him a contract and for how much? Something that I have done, and you have not... That is Logic, or in Greek terminology "Logos"

I'm not letting him Lowry walk for nothing... I'm just not giving him an offer that I don't need to just to keep him... As I said before just because Lowry wants 5 years doesn't mean he'll get it, what point do you not understand that we are the only ones that can offer 5 years? If he really wants the 5 years, that puts us back in the driver's seat again as to what we will pay him on a per year basis and it won't be over 30m per season at 5 years.... As I said before, Joey Bats from the Blue Jays wants 5 years, Is he getting it? No he's not & Baseball doesn't even have the same restrictive rules that Basketball does...

Another logical point... If you have to begin a rebuild eventually, would you rather have DeRozan and Lowry contracts end during the same year, or a year off from one another? If I'm rebuilding I'm trying to create a year where I have lots of cap space... Just another logical reason to only offer 4 years to Lowry...

Anyways... I'm done, there's no reasoning with you and you've certainly proven nothing to me but give me strawman arguments and examples of an offseason that has never happened in NBA history, and likely won't happen again for a long time to argue your reason fro why we need to give Lowry a 5 year 35% Max deal.

You don't have to reason, you just agreed he will get 5 years

But for the record I say 5 years 170 million. Even bigger discount than Derozan gave us. You can put me on record for that.

Have fun with your 36 year old point guard making 30 million +

And obviously you'd only want to offer him 4 years smh this guy trying to explain why he only wants 4 years. The whole point is are you going to take the chance of losing him for nothing over a year? No

[LastNameEver]

Nobody is giving a 31 year old 2 time all star 175 million dollars.
10 year vet, 35% cap etc. who cares.
Thats not happening.

[Skeezo]

Nobody is giving a 31 year old 2 time all star 175 million dollars.
10 year vet, 35% cap etc. who cares.
Thats not happening.

That's what I've been saying... Everybody loves to compare Lowry and Billups career against each other... Did Billups ever get a 5 year 35% Max contract? Nope, and he helped Detroit win a championship.