Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season

[NYKnicksTAPE]

There is no bringing back Rose + adding another good player unless Phil can manage to do something like getting rid of both Noah and his horrible contract and Lee while taking back no salary in return. It's either bringing back Rose, or upgrading the PG position. If we brought back Rose, then we're pretty much moving forward with the same squad we have right now.

which is a barely .500 team, but enough to keep melo and fans that accept mediocrity happy with an 8th seed and being in the opening graphics for tnt playoff basketball.

oh and don't forget the threads trashing charles barkley because he thinks this team sucks. as always charles is right about the knicks.

a barely .500 team with 3 starters who are over the age of 30 and will be getting worse, not better...plus then we'd have Rose as our PG for the next few years who plays more like a SG that can't shoot, is an average player AT BEST, isn't that impactful, and is also an injury waiting to happen

[Deeeez Knicks]

Even though i dont want to keep Rose, I am not mad at the Rose trade. It sucked to get rid of Lopez, but Holiday was a great addition and a keeper. Plus got rid of Jose and added a 2nd rounder so not a loss. Overall we are a better team this year with Rose then what we had before.

My hope from that trade is we could become a playoff team, make some noise and that would convince a better free agent to come (cough, cough, Chris Paul). Long shot, but a shot. If not though, we should not panic. I would not gamble long term on Rose.

[NoLayupRule]

Rose is rounding back into peak condition and he has been great recently. There will only be worse choices out there at PG as the very few better ones won't come here and would cost a fortune anyway. We should lock Rose up now while we still can. Jennings too. And hopefully acquire a decent player in the first round of the draft and stash 2 more euros with our two second round picks. Maybe we would have money left over for one more piece after all of this is done and we've made excellent progress. Plus continued improvement from KP, Willy, Kuz, NDour and Baker. Plus Randle and Inglis at Westchester. I like our future with Rose as our PG.

how could there be worse choices when rose is rated as one of the worst pg's in the nba

i mean it's like you guys are so battered that you're just grateful for anything. derrick rose isn't a good basketball player.

what a surprise

you are just holding your nose and pointing fingers and calling names

how about an alternative to Rose thats realistic
or anything of substance
for once

[blueNorange]

Rose is rounding back into peak condition and he has been great recently. There will only be worse choices out there at PG as the very few better ones won't come here and would cost a fortune anyway. We should lock Rose up now while we still can. Jennings too. And hopefully acquire a decent player in the first round of the draft and stash 2 more euros with our two second round picks. Maybe we would have money left over for one more piece after all of this is done and we've made excellent progress. Plus continued improvement from KP, Willy, Kuz, NDour and Baker. Plus Randle and Inglis at Westchester. I like our future with Rose as our PG.

how could there be worse choices when rose is rated as one of the worst pg's in the nba

i mean it's like you guys are so battered that you're just grateful for anything. derrick rose isn't a good basketball player.

what a surprise

you are just holding your nose and pointing fingers and calling names

how about an alternative to Rose thats realistic
or anything of substance
for once

[NoLayupRule]

were likelier to improve from within than without at this point, with some exceptions
Id be happy to see us spend that 10mil or 20 mil we have next year on another guard

I think were seeing Rose playing his best ball with Jennings on the floor too
Rose at this point may be better off in a two guard system

Right now Jennings is our only other PG of note so we can only do so much of that
But if we were to add a guy like Rubio - or Hill, or MCW, or patty Mills or Ty Evans - we would have more options to run with Rose and still play bench mins

unless we luck out with Baker or Randall
But I can't bank on that

But if we pay Rose $25 million, we aren't going to have $10-20 million next year to spend. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the cap projected to be around $102 million next year? That means we'd pretty much already be there, and that's even without re-signing Jennings or Holiday.

I actually like the idea of pairing Rose with a point guard, but I don't see how we're going to get Hill, MCW, or Patty Mills.

Yeah, the last projection had the 2017 cap at $102mil and the 2018 cap at $108mil so its starting to plateu. We will be at about $80mil with cap holds and our draft pick, not including Rose. So only have about $22mil for Rose and/or others. Signing Rose would probably put us over the 2018 cap as well, unless we can move Noah, Lance, KOQ.

I see

I wasn't sure what the numbers were

thats disappointing

[NoLayupRule]

how could there be worse choices when rose is rated as one of the worst pg's in the nba

i mean it's like you guys are so battered that you're just grateful for anything. derrick rose isn't a good basketball player.

what a surprise

you are just holding your nose and pointing fingers and calling names

how about an alternative to Rose thats realistic
or anything of substance
for once

thats what I expected

nothing

[blueNorange]

what a surprise

you are just holding your nose and pointing fingers and calling names

how about an alternative to Rose thats realistic
or anything of substance
for once

thats what I expected

nothing

[NoLayupRule]

thats what I expected

nothing

the best thing about you is your signature

[cayuck]

Even though i dont want to keep Rose, I am not mad at the Rose trade. It sucked to get rid of Lopez, but Holiday was a great addition and a keeper. Plus got rid of Jose and added a 2nd rounder so not a loss. Overall we are a better team this year with Rose then what we had before.

My hope from that trade is we could become a playoff team, make some noise and that would convince a better free agent to come (cough, cough, Chris Paul). Long shot, but a shot. If not though, we should not panic. I would not gamble long term on Rose.

Agreed, overall I'm happy we made the trade. Jose was such a liability and Rose can at least carry his own weight. Long term though I do think we need PGs that work better with KP. I'd feel more comfortable at this point giving Jennings 3 years instead of Rose, Jennings is looking to pass first, brings energy defensively, and seems more in tune with what Hornacek is trying to do. The idea of Rubio is interesting because I could see him working well with KP, but it would be nice to have a PG that could hit 3s at a reasonable percentage. Hopefully Phil makes wise decisions and doesn't over pay anyone.

[3toheadmelo]

I just wish there was a way to keep lopez and get rose at the same time. Having Noah blows

[Sark]

Rose is rounding back into peak condition and he has been great recently. There will only be worse choices out there at PG as the very few better ones won't come here and would cost a fortune anyway. We should lock Rose up now while we still can. Jennings too. And hopefully acquire a decent player in the first round of the draft and stash 2 more euros with our two second round picks. Maybe we would have money left over for one more piece after all of this is done and we've made excellent progress. Plus continued improvement from KP, Willy, Kuz, NDour and Baker. Plus Randle and Inglis at Westchester. I like our future with Rose as our PG.

how could there be worse choices when rose is rated as one of the worst pg's in the nba

i mean it's like you guys are so battered that you're just grateful for anything. derrick rose isn't a good basketball player.

what a surprise

you are just holding your nose and pointing fingers and calling names

how about an alternative to Rose thats realistic
or anything of substance
for once

How about 2017 pick + Jennings + Chasson Randle/Ron Baker.

Boom.

Cheaper + better = win.

[moocow007]

Even though i dont want to keep Rose, I am not mad at the Rose trade. It sucked to get rid of Lopez, but Holiday was a great addition and a keeper. Plus got rid of Jose and added a 2nd rounder so not a loss. Overall we are a better team this year with Rose then what we had before.

My hope from that trade is we could become a playoff team, make some noise and that would convince a better free agent to come (cough, cough, Chris Paul). Long shot, but a shot. If not though, we should not panic. I would not gamble long term on Rose.

Yeah the Rose trade was fine.

Like I said previously, Lopez isn't exactly lighting things up for the Bulls either. He's not the reason why they have been surprisingly good (that's Wade's doing).

The Knicks could have replaced Lopez with someone else that would have made losing him marginal IF they hadn't signed Noah to that crazy deal. They didn't give up Wilt Chamberlain to get Rose, they gave up a solid role playing C that helped them win all of 32 games last season (along with a worthless Jose Calderon and Jerian Grant who appears to be on his way out of the NBA). Holiday is a rotation player for them and their best perimeter defender (he's even better than Lee). And they have a 2nd round pick again in 2017.

Signing Noah and his inability to stay on the floor and his lack of productivity (reasons we are pining for Lopze) has nothing to do directly with Rose. No one forced Phil Jackson to sign Noah. They could have worked out a deal to take Bogut's expiring from the Warriors and we'd be not bitching about losing Lopez or about Noah's $72 million potential dead weight contract. But that's all on Jackson not Rose or Noah (no one forced Jackson to give Noah that contract).

[moocow007]

how could there be worse choices when rose is rated as one of the worst pg's in the nba

i mean it's like you guys are so battered that you're just grateful for anything. derrick rose isn't a good basketball player.

what a surprise

you are just holding your nose and pointing fingers and calling names

how about an alternative to Rose thats realistic
or anything of substance
for once

How about 2017 pick + Jennings + Chasson Randle/Ron Baker.

Boom.

Cheaper + better = win.

I don't see that as better, so not sure where the "boom" is. That's a lot of wishful thinking sure. Rose may not be the MVP Rose but what you are offering up (basically swapping out Rose with a random PG pick likely in the 12-18 range plus either Randle or Baker (who haven't played a game in the NBA and was apparently so good that no GM drafted either of them) is nothing. Jennings inclusion is irrelevant since they can bring him back with Rose.

Were you one of the guys that though Jason Smith was going to be something? And that Lance Thomas was a must resign?

[cayuck]

Even though i dont want to keep Rose, I am not mad at the Rose trade. It sucked to get rid of Lopez, but Holiday was a great addition and a keeper. Plus got rid of Jose and added a 2nd rounder so not a loss. Overall we are a better team this year with Rose then what we had before.

My hope from that trade is we could become a playoff team, make some noise and that would convince a better free agent to come (cough, cough, Chris Paul). Long shot, but a shot. If not though, we should not panic. I would not gamble long term on Rose.

Yeah the Rose trade was fine.

Like I said previously, Lopez isn't exactly lighting things up for the Bulls either. He's not the reason why they have been surprisingly good (that's Wade's doing).

The Knicks could have replaced Lopez with someone else that would have made losing him marginal IF they hadn't signed Noah to that crazy deal. They didn't give up Wilt Chamberlain to get Rose, they gave up a solid role playing C that helped them win all of 32 games last season (along with a worthless Jose Calderon and Jerian Grant who appears to be on his way out of the NBA) .

Signing Noah and his inability to stay on the floor and his lack of productivity (reasons we are pining for Lopze) has nothing to do directly with Rose. No one forced Phil Jackson to sign Noah. They could have worked out a deal to take Bogut's expiring from the Warriors and we'd be not bitching about losing Lopez or about Noah's $72 million potential dead weight contract. But that's all on Jackson not Rose or Noah (no one forced Jackson to give Noah that contract).

I remember that period of time after the Rose trade there were a lot of rumors flying around about who Phil might sign at center. It would be interesting to see Pau or Bogut on this team instead of Noah right now. I wish the players hadn't convinced Phil that Noah was the answer for that amount of money.

[MrProb]

If Rose learns to kick out more I'm fine with him staying.

But really at least he's a HUGE upgrade from Calderon, I'm more concerned about Noah.

[moocow007]

Even though i dont want to keep Rose, I am not mad at the Rose trade. It sucked to get rid of Lopez, but Holiday was a great addition and a keeper. Plus got rid of Jose and added a 2nd rounder so not a loss. Overall we are a better team this year with Rose then what we had before.

My hope from that trade is we could become a playoff team, make some noise and that would convince a better free agent to come (cough, cough, Chris Paul). Long shot, but a shot. If not though, we should not panic. I would not gamble long term on Rose.

Yeah the Rose trade was fine.

Like I said previously, Lopez isn't exactly lighting things up for the Bulls either. He's not the reason why they have been surprisingly good (that's Wade's doing).

The Knicks could have replaced Lopez with someone else that would have made losing him marginal IF they hadn't signed Noah to that crazy deal. They didn't give up Wilt Chamberlain to get Rose, they gave up a solid role playing C that helped them win all of 32 games last season (along with a worthless Jose Calderon and Jerian Grant who appears to be on his way out of the NBA) .

Signing Noah and his inability to stay on the floor and his lack of productivity (reasons we are pining for Lopze) has nothing to do directly with Rose. No one forced Phil Jackson to sign Noah. They could have worked out a deal to take Bogut's expiring from the Warriors and we'd be not bitching about losing Lopez or about Noah's $72 million potential dead weight contract. But that's all on Jackson not Rose or Noah (no one forced Jackson to give Noah that contract).

I remember that period of time after the Rose trade there were a lot of rumors flying around about who Phil might sign at center. It would be interesting to see Pau or Bogut on this team instead of Noah right now. I wish the players hadn't convinced Phil that Noah was the answer for that amount of money.

I don't think the players convinced Phil of a thing. Phil Jackson reportedly has been a big fan of Noah for a long time. The media played it as if Rose was pushing for Noah but Noah has been a Phil Jackson type player (almost to a tee) for long before Jackson traded for Rose. Noah is pretty much what Phil Jackson was about when he was playing...just with longer and curlier hair. Signing Noah and/or being interested in him is understandable. But that contract and potentially greater need elsewhere may have at least justified a smaller contract offer and, if he found a better deal elsewhere (unlikely) just letting him go. Bogut cost the Mavs (who were projected at the time to be a better team) a future 2nd round pick (that's it). I would expect that if Jackson actually was in tune with this that he could have gotten Bogut much easier. Not only would the Knicks 2nd rounder generally be considered better value but the Warriors would have moved Bogut out of their conference altogether and not have to worry about facing him but 2 times a year.

[HEZI]

Even though i dont want to keep Rose, I am not mad at the Rose trade. It sucked to get rid of Lopez, but Holiday was a great addition and a keeper. Plus got rid of Jose and added a 2nd rounder so not a loss. Overall we are a better team this year with Rose then what we had before.

My hope from that trade is we could become a playoff team, make some noise and that would convince a better free agent to come (cough, cough, Chris Paul). Long shot, but a shot. If not though, we should not panic. I would not gamble long term on Rose.

Yeah the Rose trade was fine.

Like I said previously, Lopez isn't exactly lighting things up for the Bulls either. He's not the reason why they have been surprisingly good (that's Wade's doing).

The Knicks could have replaced Lopez with someone else that would have made losing him marginal IF they hadn't signed Noah to that crazy deal. They didn't give up Wilt Chamberlain to get Rose, they gave up a solid role playing C that helped them win all of 32 games last season (along with a worthless Jose Calderon and Jerian Grant who appears to be on his way out of the NBA) .

Signing Noah and his inability to stay on the floor and his lack of productivity (reasons we are pining for Lopze) has nothing to do directly with Rose. No one forced Phil Jackson to sign Noah. They could have worked out a deal to take Bogut's expiring from the Warriors and we'd be not bitching about losing Lopez or about Noah's $72 million potential dead weight contract. But that's all on Jackson not Rose or Noah (no one forced Jackson to give Noah that contract).

I remember that period of time after the Rose trade there were a lot of rumors flying around about who Phil might sign at center. It would be interesting to see Pau or Bogut on this team instead of Noah right now. I wish the players hadn't convinced Phil that Noah was the answer for that amount of money.

Phil has been a fan of Noah since he was the Lakers coach. I don't think anybody convinced him to go after Noah

[blueNorange]

what a surprise

you are just holding your nose and pointing fingers and calling names

how about an alternative to Rose thats realistic
or anything of substance
for once

How about 2017 pick + Jennings + Chasson Randle/Ron Baker.

Boom.

Cheaper + better = win.

I don't see that as better, so not sure where the "boom" is. That's a lot of wishful thinking sure. Rose may not be the MVP Rose but what you are offering up (basically swapping out Rose with a random PG pick likely in the 12-18 range plus either Randle or Baker (who haven't played a game in the NBA and was apparently so good that no GM drafted either of them) is nothing. Jennings inclusion is irrelevant since they can bring him back with Rose.

Were you one of the guys that though Jason Smith was going to be something? And that Lance Thomas was a must resign?

you can keep spewing whatever you want, derrick rose isn't good and there's stats that support this.

he's not efficient and has tunnel vision.

[moocow007]

How about 2017 pick + Jennings + Chasson Randle/Ron Baker.

Boom.

Cheaper + better = win.

I don't see that as better, so not sure where the "boom" is. That's a lot of wishful thinking sure. Rose may not be the MVP Rose but what you are offering up (basically swapping out Rose with a random PG pick likely in the 12-18 range plus either Randle or Baker (who haven't played a game in the NBA and was apparently so good that no GM drafted either of them) is nothing. Jennings inclusion is irrelevant since they can bring him back with Rose.

Were you one of the guys that though Jason Smith was going to be something? And that Lance Thomas was a must resign?

you can keep spewing whatever you want, derrick rose isn't good and there's stats that support this.

he's not efficient and has tunnel vision.

[blueNorange]

I don't see that as better, so not sure where the "boom" is. That's a lot of wishful thinking sure. Rose may not be the MVP Rose but what you are offering up (basically swapping out Rose with a random PG pick likely in the 12-18 range plus either Randle or Baker (who haven't played a game in the NBA and was apparently so good that no GM drafted either of them) is nothing. Jennings inclusion is irrelevant since they can bring him back with Rose.

Were you one of the guys that though Jason Smith was going to be something? And that Lance Thomas was a must resign?

you can keep spewing whatever you want, derrick rose isn't good and there's stats that support this.

he's not efficient and has tunnel vision.