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Re: Future draft classes 

Post#1541 » by No-Man » Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:36 pm

Wendell to Duke, cheesiest committ ever, that video smh, and Quade Green to UK, both were near locks honestly, 0 surprise there.
Duke will probably get Knox and Matt Coleman, Shaka is pushing there but hard to imagine he will pass on chance of starting for Duke and Texas has a ton of Guards coming back, to close their class, all of those are Duke guys.
Question is, Bamba? because if they get him, man, Kennard, Jeter, DeLaurier, Vrankovic, White, Robinson, plus that class.... heck

Kennard-Coleman
Trent
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A bit thin at Guard, but they might get some graduate transfer or a JuCo I guess...
Is Sean Obi gonna retire? he has no place with that possible frontcourt.
Duval gotta be Kansas or Arizona, right?
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Post#1542 » by No-Man » Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:54 pm

BTW lets assume Cal gets Diallo, seems like a lock, and Vanderbilt, who else is he gonna recruit to play outside? is Trae Young gonna ditch OU to play or compete with Quade Green to start at UK? they would have 4 perimeter guys with Green, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
and potentially Diallo and Vanderbilt, and Vanderbilt is probably better at the 4, in the meanwhile they have 3 bigs at least coming back, one between Gabriel and SKJ, might be both, Humphries and Wynyard, plus 2 recruits that play inside, Washington and Richards, although PJ Washington is gonna likely play the 3 for UK a ton knowing Cal,...

summarizing, why in hell Calipari even bothers with Bamba? like I get that he is a big time prospect and you can never have enough of those, but come on, is he gonna roll with like 7 bigs that all are 4-5 stars next year?!?
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Post#1543 » by Duke4life831 » Wed Nov 23, 2016 7:34 pm

Fischella wrote:Wendell to Duke, cheesiest committ ever, that video smh, and Quade Green to UK, both were near locks honestly, 0 surprise there.
Duke will probably get Knox and Matt Coleman, Shaka is pushing there but hard to imagine he will pass on chance of starting for Duke and Texas has a ton of Guards coming back, to close their class, all of those are Duke guys.
Question is, Bamba? because if they get him, man, Kennard, Jeter, DeLaurier, Vrankovic, White, Robinson, plus that class.... heck

Kennard-Coleman
Trent
Knox-White
Carter-DeLaurier-Robinson
Bamba-Jeter-Vrankovic

A bit thin at Guard, but they might get some graduate transfer or a JuCo I guess...
Is Sean Obi gonna retire? he has no place with that possible frontcourt.
Duval gotta be Kansas or Arizona, right?


Don't expect Bamba at Duke. It seems like he has really cooled on Duke. Expect a battle between UK and maybe Texas, UK should be viewed as the favorites.

I also know Duke is trying to make a late run for Duval. Don't think it will go anywhere but I know they're trying
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Post#1544 » by No-Man » Wed Nov 23, 2016 7:50 pm

Shaka could get Bamba and Coleman? that's sweet for Texas.
I dont see how Bamba could go to UK, they have up to 5-6 bigs already.
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Post#1545 » by Duke4life831 » Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:23 pm

Fischella wrote:Shaka could get Bamba and Coleman? that's sweet for Texas.
I dont see how Bamba could go to UK, they have up to 5-6 bigs already.


Ya I know that is what Shaka is going for. When it came to Bamba the last I heard the 3 big schools were UK, Texas and UCONN. I dont see UCONN happening so Im thinking UK but Texas as a dark horse. And ya UK's front court is going to be extremely crowded, you know Humphries, SKJ, Nick Richards and Washington for sure and Gabriel will probably be there as well. So ya they could already have 5 guys to handle those 2 positions. Buy Cal has made it work before so I wouldnt be shocked. Im sure he will bring up that he will play him like he did AD but minutes wise like KAT and look how it has ended up for those two. Im sure that will be the spin.
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Post#1546 » by No-Man » Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:42 pm

I think Texas might be the best option for him if Allen leaves actually, even better than Duke since Blue Devils got a bunch of guys and Shaka's style should suit him.
If he goes to UK there is no way they make it work unless both SKJ and Gabriel leave.
UK gonna get Vanderbilt+Diallo, maybe Trae Young too.
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Post#1547 » by DirtyDez » Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:54 pm

Fischella wrote:Wendell to Duke, cheesiest committ ever, that video smh, and Quade Green to UK, both were near locks honestly, 0 surprise there.
Duke will probably get Knox and Matt Coleman, Shaka is pushing there but hard to imagine he will pass on chance of starting for Duke and Texas has a ton of Guards coming back, to close their class, all of those are Duke guys.
Question is, Bamba? because if they get him, man, Kennard, Jeter, DeLaurier, Vrankovic, White, Robinson, plus that class.... heck

Kennard-Coleman
Trent
Knox-White
Carter-DeLaurier-Robinson
Bamba-Jeter-Vrankovic

A bit thin at Guard, but they might get some graduate transfer or a JuCo I guess...
Is Sean Obi gonna retire? he has no place with that possible frontcourt.
Duval gotta be Kansas or Arizona, right?


Arizona is in Duval's top-5 but the Scout guys think they're just a hat on the table. I have no idea where he ends up... Vanderbilt is probably TCU.
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Post#1548 » by EricAnderson » Fri Nov 25, 2016 2:52 pm

Anyone follow Marvin Bagley closely?

He was touted as maybe the best prospect in all of hs as a freshman now he's not even 1 in some rankings on his own class

Was he overhyped or is he still as good as projected?
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Post#1549 » by gags1288 » Fri Nov 25, 2016 4:05 pm

[quote="Fischella"]Wendell to Duke, cheesiest committ ever, that video smh, and Quade Green to UK, both were near locks honestly, 0 surprise there.
Duke will probably get Knox and Matt Coleman, Shaka is pushing there but hard to imagine he will pass on chance of starting for Duke and Texas has a ton of Guards coming back, to close their class, all of those are Duke guys.
Question is, Bamba? because if they get him, man, Kennard, Jeter, DeLaurier, Vrankovic, White, Robinson, plus that class.... heck

Kennard-Coleman
Trent
Knox-White
Carter-DeLaurier-Robinson
Bamba-Jeter-Vrankovic

A bit thin at Guard, but they might get some graduate transfer or a JuCo I guess...
Is Sean Obi gonna retire? he has no place with that possible frontcourt.
Duval gotta be Kansas or Arizona, right?[/quote]

I know you love Frank Jackson, but the expectation is that he stays unless he's a lotto pick and, contrary to your view point, he's no lotto pick this year.

Coleman is a toss-up, duke probably leads for Knox, but he's no sure thing. I don't imagine, in any scenario, that Coleman is starting for duke.

Oversees remains a possibility for Duval.
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Post#1550 » by EricAnderson » Thu Dec 1, 2016 3:42 pm

Sounds like Duval to Duke now.. How big would it be if they get him? I haven't seen him much
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Post#1551 » by Justwar » Thu Dec 1, 2016 5:32 pm

Duval to qualify suddenly? That's pretty sketchy if even cal backed off right? Bamba is going to UK and play a lot. Washington will play a lot of 3. Humphries is going to be a 4 year player most likely and still be young for his class but just has a lot of athletic issues at this level. Vanderbilt is being recruited as a backup. Gabriel is gone. Skj probably starts with bamba but there's plenty of minutes 25 minutes a piece then rotating backups. 2017 is a super down class. Don't even expect to contend next because I doubt unless we get young too we will get enough shooting. Now if we get knox all bets are off. I don't think that's completely out of the question.

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Post#1552 » by B-Ball Freak » Sun Dec 11, 2016 5:46 pm

How do you guys see Mohamed Bamba's game translating to the pros? maybe a possible Giannis part two? or am I completely off
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Post#1553 » by Duke4life831 » Sun Dec 11, 2016 5:53 pm

B-Ball Freak wrote:How do you guys see Mohamed Bamba's game translating to the pros? maybe a possible Giannis part two? or am I completely off


Not that type of player at all. Best way I can describe Bamba is Gobert with Anthony Davis athleticism. Should be a freak defender but is extremely raw offensively and probably won't score unless it's off lobs or put backs.
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Post#1554 » by B-Ball Freak » Sun Dec 11, 2016 5:59 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:Not that type of player at all. Best way I can describe Bamba is Gobert with Anthony Davis athleticism. Should be a freak defender but is extremely raw offensively and probably won't score unless it's off lobs or put backs.


Wow, his potential is off the charts then, imagine if he develops some offensive moves plus a reliable jumpshot.
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Post#1555 » by Duke4life831 » Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:12 pm

B-Ball Freak wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:Not that type of player at all. Best way I can describe Bamba is Gobert with Anthony Davis athleticism. Should be a freak defender but is extremely raw offensively and probably won't score unless it's off lobs or put backs.


Wow, his potential is off the charts then, imagine if he develops some offensive moves plus a reliable jumpshot.


His potential is definitely off the charts defensively. He's going to have the longest wingspan in the NBA when he's drafted. And when I say Anthony Davis I'm speaking strictly his athleticism not his offensive game as well.

Bamba is as raw as you get offensively. Doesn't ever use his left hand in the post, even when going over his right shoulder uses his right hand. The one thing he has going for him is he does have a nice soft touch. So I think there might be hope he can get a 15-18ft jumper.

But if you draft this kid you're drafting him to be your defensive anchor and this is a kid that really should end up competing for DPOY very early on and for a long time.
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Post#1556 » by B-Ball Freak » Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:18 pm

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Duke4life831 wrote:Not that type of player at all. Best way I can describe Bamba is Gobert with Anthony Davis athleticism. Should be a freak defender but is extremely raw offensively and probably won't score unless it's off lobs or put backs.


Wow, his potential is off the charts then, imagine if he develops some offensive moves plus a reliable jumpshot.


His potential is definitely off the charts defensively. He's going to have the longest wingspan in the NBA when he's drafted. And when I say Anthony Davis I'm speaking strictly his athleticism not his offensive game as well.

Bamba is as raw as you get offensively. Doesn't ever use his left hand in the post, even when going over his right shoulder uses his right hand. The one thing he has going for him is he does have a nice soft touch. So I think there might be hope he can get a 15-18ft jumper.

But if you draft this kid you're drafting him to be your defensive anchor and this is a kid that really should end up competing for DPOY very early on and for a long time.



Would you have his potential ceiling higher than Ayton's?
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Post#1557 » by Duke4life831 » Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:58 pm

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Wow, his potential is off the charts then, imagine if he develops some offensive moves plus a reliable jumpshot.


His potential is definitely off the charts defensively. He's going to have the longest wingspan in the NBA when he's drafted. And when I say Anthony Davis I'm speaking strictly his athleticism not his offensive game as well.

Bamba is as raw as you get offensively. Doesn't ever use his left hand in the post, even when going over his right shoulder uses his right hand. The one thing he has going for him is he does have a nice soft touch. So I think there might be hope he can get a 15-18ft jumper.

But if you draft this kid you're drafting him to be your defensive anchor and this is a kid that really should end up competing for DPOY very early on and for a long time.



Would you have his potential ceiling higher than Ayton's?


Ayton definitely has the higher 2 way potential. Ayton has crazy high potential, Ive said that Ayton has the potential to be a better KAT. He has elite physical tools, great measurements, really strong already and moves freakishly well for a guy his size. He also has the ball skills where he can shoot from deep (inconsistent from there but improving) or drive and use his size to score inside.

The thing is with him is he has all the tools and skills you could hope for but doesnt seem to have it in between the ears. His motor is a big question, his work ethic has been questioned many times, doesnt play with the intensity that you would like consistently. Some games he could look like the most dominant big man prospect since Oden then the next game he can just float around and float out to the perimeter too much and you barely notice he played.

I think Bamba is the safer choice because I have a hard time not seeing him being a top 5 defensive C in a worst case scenario. But Ayton is much more of a wild card, if he puts it all together you could be looking at maybe the best 2 way C in the game in his prime. But his red flags are really big especially for a big man.
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Post#1558 » by DirtyDez » Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:53 am

Duke4life831 wrote:
B-Ball Freak wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:
His potential is definitely off the charts defensively. He's going to have the longest wingspan in the NBA when he's drafted. And when I say Anthony Davis I'm speaking strictly his athleticism not his offensive game as well.

Bamba is as raw as you get offensively. Doesn't ever use his left hand in the post, even when going over his right shoulder uses his right hand. The one thing he has going for him is he does have a nice soft touch. So I think there might be hope he can get a 15-18ft jumper.

But if you draft this kid you're drafting him to be your defensive anchor and this is a kid that really should end up competing for DPOY very early on and for a long time.



Would you have his potential ceiling higher than Ayton's?


Ayton definitely has the higher 2 way potential. Ayton has crazy high potential, Ive said that Ayton has the potential to be a better KAT. He has elite physical tools, great measurements, really strong already and moves freakishly well for a guy his size. He also has the ball skills where he can shoot from deep (inconsistent from there but improving) or drive and use his size to score inside.

The thing is with him is he has all the tools and skills you could hope for but doesnt seem to have it in between the ears. His motor is a big question, his work ethic has been questioned many times, doesnt play with the intensity that you would like consistently. Some games he could look like the most dominant big man prospect since Oden then the next game he can just float around and float out to the perimeter too much and you barely notice he played.

I think Bamba is the safer choice because I have a hard time not seeing him being a top 5 defensive C in a worst case scenario. But Ayton is much more of a wild card, if he puts it all together you could be looking at maybe the best 2 way C in the game in his prime. But his red flags are really big especially for a big man.


Saw a little bit of Ayton in person. His team barely lost and he basically didn't give much effort. Lived outside and the only shots I saw him take were long two's which he made. What's incredible is his size and body. He already has an NBA body yet he has the frame to still as strength. I think he could look like Dwight in only a couple years.

Gary Trent Jr is really good but his dad... lol he's a piece of work from the sidelines.
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Post#1559 » by Duke4life831 » Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:01 am

DirtyDez wrote:
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Would you have his potential ceiling higher than Ayton's?


Ayton definitely has the higher 2 way potential. Ayton has crazy high potential, Ive said that Ayton has the potential to be a better KAT. He has elite physical tools, great measurements, really strong already and moves freakishly well for a guy his size. He also has the ball skills where he can shoot from deep (inconsistent from there but improving) or drive and use his size to score inside.

The thing is with him is he has all the tools and skills you could hope for but doesnt seem to have it in between the ears. His motor is a big question, his work ethic has been questioned many times, doesnt play with the intensity that you would like consistently. Some games he could look like the most dominant big man prospect since Oden then the next game he can just float around and float out to the perimeter too much and you barely notice he played.

I think Bamba is the safer choice because I have a hard time not seeing him being a top 5 defensive C in a worst case scenario. But Ayton is much more of a wild card, if he puts it all together you could be looking at maybe the best 2 way C in the game in his prime. But his red flags are really big especially for a big man.


Saw a little bit of Ayton in person. His team barely lost and he basically didn't give much effort. Lived outside and the only shots I saw him take were long two's which he made. What's incredible is his size and body. He already has an NBA body yet he has the frame to still as strength. I think he could look like Dwight in only a couple years.

Gary Trent Jr is really good but his dad... lol he's a piece of work from the sidelines.


Thats exactly the problem with Ayton. You see him and you just say, that dude is exactly what you would draw up as a perfect 5 in the NBA today. Basically 7 feet, long wingspan, only 18 but already built very well and you can tell this dude is going to be huge when he gets in a NBA training facility. Then add his agility and athleticism. Physically hes basically a perfect prospect for todays 5. Then you see he has the skills as well, solid jumper already and good handle and touch.

But half the time you watch him play, you kinda just sit there and go, man this dude just doesnt do anything. He should be dominating down low and just working his opponents. But the very next game he does just that, scores 30, grabs close to 20 boards and gets a few blocked shots and thats when you go my god he can be one of the best bigs in the NBA if he really wants it. Hes definitely not a safe pick, but his potential is sky high.

Lol when it comes to Gary Trent Jr, he is quite the character himself, maybe the most confident/cocky guy in the past few classes. He is extremely cocky during games and in interviews he is quite the character haha. Im personally not to high on his NBA potential, but glad hes going to Duke.
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Post#1560 » by DirtyDez » Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:58 am

Duke4life831 wrote:
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Ayton definitely has the higher 2 way potential. Ayton has crazy high potential, Ive said that Ayton has the potential to be a better KAT. He has elite physical tools, great measurements, really strong already and moves freakishly well for a guy his size. He also has the ball skills where he can shoot from deep (inconsistent from there but improving) or drive and use his size to score inside.

The thing is with him is he has all the tools and skills you could hope for but doesnt seem to have it in between the ears. His motor is a big question, his work ethic has been questioned many times, doesnt play with the intensity that you would like consistently. Some games he could look like the most dominant big man prospect since Oden then the next game he can just float around and float out to the perimeter too much and you barely notice he played.

I think Bamba is the safer choice because I have a hard time not seeing him being a top 5 defensive C in a worst case scenario. But Ayton is much more of a wild card, if he puts it all together you could be looking at maybe the best 2 way C in the game in his prime. But his red flags are really big especially for a big man.


Saw a little bit of Ayton in person. His team barely lost and he basically didn't give much effort. Lived outside and the only shots I saw him take were long two's which he made. What's incredible is his size and body. He already has an NBA body yet he has the frame to still as strength. I think he could look like Dwight in only a couple years.

Gary Trent Jr is really good but his dad... lol he's a piece of work from the sidelines.


Thats exactly the problem with Ayton. You see him and you just say, that dude is exactly what you would draw up as a perfect 5 in the NBA today. Basically 7 feet, long wingspan, only 18 but already built very well and you can tell this dude is going to be huge when he gets in a NBA training facility. Then add his agility and athleticism. Physically hes basically a perfect prospect for todays 5. Then you see he has the skills as well, solid jumper already and good handle and touch.

But half the time you watch him play, you kinda just sit there and go, man this dude just doesnt do anything. He should be dominating down low and just working his opponents. But the very next game he does just that, scores 30, grabs close to 20 boards and gets a few blocked shots and thats when you go my god he can be one of the best bigs in the NBA if he really wants it. Hes definitely not a safe pick, but his potential is sky high.

Lol when it comes to Gary Trent Jr, he is quite the character himself, maybe the most confident/cocky guy in the past few classes. He is extremely cocky during games and in interviews he is quite the character haha. Im personally not to high on his NBA potential, but glad hes going to Duke.


When Ayton goes thru the motions nobody says anything to him. Teammates nor coaches which isn't surprising. At the next level that won't be acceptable for Ayton just like it wasn't for Stanley Johnson. He needs to realize that emotion and motor are two different things. He shows emotions as a result of something he did rather than between the whistles.

Trent seemed quiet and confident. His dad was shouting stuff at kids half his age. I wonder if the Don K will have him muffled if he oversteps his limits. Wasn't Doc constantly trying to tell K how to use Austin? :wavefinger:
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