Kerrsed wrote:Jkam31 wrote:Ya Boogie would resign with you guys if you prove you could build a winner. He is best friends with Wall/ Bledsoe so you guys having him is big.
Cousins/Booker/Bledsoe is a great start than add in Hayword or Gallonari add you guys are an easy playoff team.
The deal I'd ask for as a kings fan is
Chriss/Bender/Warren/ 2017 1st/ heat 1st
For
Cousins and WCS
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Thank you. This is pretty much around where i think a Cousins trade would be, and something that i have been trying to express to the board. For some reason people around here think that players like Knight/Tucker hold any value in a trade for a star player, and the fact that they hate them and see what they do to our team night after night, yet think they would all of a sudden be a great trade chip for a star player boggles my mind.
Now, with that being said, i would make a few alterations to your proposal. 1, with Cousins/WCS coming here, we would be overtly stacked at the C spot, leaving the Kings rather bare, so i would believe the Suns would counter offer by including Len and subtracting one of our young rookies (Bender/Chriss).
I also believe that there is another play that can be made to better the Kings return, while also having the Suns keep another asset (a draft pick or another youngster), and that would be by including Philly in this trade and doing the much talked about Knight to 76ers for Noel or Okafor (which ever one you guys would prefer). The desperately need some kind of PG this season, but the value in Knight would be increased next season when they get Simmons back. All the news out of Philly keeps reiterating that they plan on having Simmons run the team as a point-forward, so it makes sense to have more of a shooting PG in the starting 5 nest to him, and thats where i think Knight would excel.
Maybe something like:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gmwqeoySuns get Cousins/WCS
Kings get 2 (of Warren and/or Chriss and/or Bender)/Okafor/Len/(1 of either Miami's 2018 pick or Suns 2018 1st)
76ers get Knight/2017 Suns 2nd
I definitely think it takes at least two of Warren/Bender/Chriss and maybe all three, though they'd probably demand Booker along with 1 or 2 of those guys. Personally, as I've mentioned many times, I've always been a fan of building through the draft, and want to continue building through the draft, and like all our young players (23 and under) and don't want to try to just destroy our future by trying to quickly make a splash trade to make the playoffs this year and for a few years, but build a good long term outlook...
Having said all that, I have zero idea what's going to happen. I thought Sarver had finally embraced the youth movement and all, but that goes against him always trying to make short sighted moves to try desperately to win now, and always has thought short term over long term, so perhaps that wins out in the end..
So...I put this edit in the first post of the thread- (lilfishi was/is going to add a poll later about whether or not people want to trade for Boogie, and if so, how much they are willing to give up, but I'm going to do a quick one now to see who people would rather keep IF we had to trade one of Bender or Warren. This is kind of a tough one for me because they are probably the two Suns for which I have the biggest interest, fandom, pull for, etc. I'm guessing the board will be fairly split on this but I don't know. I guess if we get Boogie it might make more sense to keep Warren if we could. And it might make more sense for Sac to take Bender if they were going rebuild route but I don't know).
Oh, and I want no part of Willie Cauley Stein.
The funny thing is I have never pulled against a team so much in college basketball than that team Wisconsin beat with Booker, Towns, Lyles, WCS, Harrison twins, Ulis, etc. But of course what could those guys do against a team with Frank the Tank and Sam Dekker? Can't beat a couple white boys from the mid west. Of course I hated them too because they BARELY knocked out AZ in the elite 8 two years in a row, and Kaminsky had the biggest game of his college tourney career in the first one and Dekker the second. Should have been AZ to take Kentucky out.
Very steep price to pay for a possiple rental. I'd substitute Bender or Warren and one of the picks with Len, Knight and Tucker, which could still be an attractive package. Hard to see who would offer so much better without selling the farm that Boogie would reach significant results, and have a chance of a deep playoff run with such a guted team... Maaaaybeeee Boston with Brown and all the Nets picks and some other young players - if they are willing to give up that much.
