Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season

[CJackson]

Your suggestion comes as a result of you assuming I was doing something out of line when I wasn't but what makes it even worse is that you are coming to the defense of someone who is notorious for the very same thing you accuse me of doing and painting him out to be some victim.

Let's just pull it back then. I wasn't zoning in on you and I apologize for any misunderstanding about that because frankly I could have responded to others as well to make the same point.

It would have been more appropriate to post it as a stand-alone post without responding to any single poster because it was meant for the board as a whole and I did not mean to single you out.

It's all good bro I understand what your intention was

I think I've been called an idiot by guys like Wolfgang and Whocares in the last couple of weeks more than bno has in his entire time on realgm but I don't trip off of it. You are right though, we have to change the tone of the way we communicate with each other and have some respect for difference in opinion and do a better job of carrying dialogue without being verbally abusive

[Buttah304]

he was quoting me and I wasn't seeing any names, just Rose isn't the answer type of posts. And I also agreed with pretty much everything Moo said.

No saying Rose is a must or that I'm in love with him as a Knick. No. Just that from looking at the list of free agents, I'm not seeing anything realistic. As for Rubio....WET DREAM....I would love to see him in a Knicks jersey and if Phil could/can pull this off, without ruining what is working, my respect level would go through the roof.

Thing is, aside from Rose being a bad player (which is hard to ignore), we would be paying him big money for multiple years - this is something I don't want to do. At all. I'd rather sign Collison, Livingston, or try to trade for Bledsoe (or some other PG on crowded teams) instead of paying Rose.

sign patty mills and re-sign ennings, those 2 would be 10x's better than derrick rose.

but of course pray the knicks get one of these nice pg prospects coming out of the draft.

BNO funny you mentioned Patty Mills because I was thinking of him just today as a solid off season signing, along with bringing Jennings back. My absolute ideal summer is landing Hayward and Mills. I just wonder how many wins a Mills/Jennings combo at the PG Spot, with Lee-Hayward-Melo-KP gets you in the East. What do you think?

[ozwizard8]

Pls no 5 year deal.
Only 5 year deal i'll accept would be 55/5 year type of deal.

At this point i dont think any scenarios benefiting both sides.
Knicks FO would be ok to extend his contract for 2 more years but Rose would want more years. If Rose wants 4-5 years of max deal then Knicks FO would back off.
Let Rose finish this season. If he plays more than 65 games and we make playoffs we may give 3 year max deal or sth to him.

Pro's D.Rose extension:
-I like Rose's defense, he's certainly above average defender for pg's.
-He also showing flashes of MVP D.Rose on offense. He kinda missing his star foul calls. I believe he can make a come back, he can get better in a year.
-Its also hard to get good pg's.
Even Conley didnt entartain FA options. Everybody extending their contracts.
I bet Cp3 would be out of the 2017 FA picture soon. Whats our best bet if we lose D.Rose? Jrue Holiday maybe? Holiday is kinda injury prone too and Pelicans would overpay to keep him.
- D.Rose is younger than S.Curry. If he stays healthy we'll lock his "prime" years. (After injury prime years.)

Con's:
- Knee problems never fades. We dont want new Amare.
- 4-5 year extension would exceed +3 year contract period of Melo-Noah-Lee so it'll ruin our future rebuilding process around KP.
- Is he mediocre PG now? He might be better than K.Walker but how about other pg's? There are too many star pg's around the league. Lillard-Conley-CP3-WB-Wall-Irving-Curry-Harden list goes on.
- Fit with KP. D.Rose isnt elite p&r play maker. He's great finisher but he sometimes doesnt see roll guy.

[FemaleDogPlease]

I dont understand the complaining about extending Rose. The Knicks own all their draft picks going forward.

If he blows out his knee the Knicks collect a lottery pick. If he is healthy the Knicks are a playoffs team and we get to hope for a Dallas Maverick like run to the finals.

[blueNorange]

Thing is, aside from Rose being a bad player (which is hard to ignore), we would be paying him big money for multiple years - this is something I don't want to do. At all. I'd rather sign Collison, Livingston, or try to trade for Bledsoe (or some other PG on crowded teams) instead of paying Rose.

sign patty mills and re-sign ennings, those 2 would be 10x's better than derrick rose.

but of course pray the knicks get one of these nice pg prospects coming out of the draft.

BNO funny you mentioned Patty Mills because I was thinking of him just today as a solid off season signing, along with bringing Jennings back. My absolute ideal summer is landing Hayward and Mills. I just wonder how many wins a Mills/Jennings combo at the PG Spot, with Lee-Hayward-Melo-KP gets you in the East. What do you think?

they need a defensive big man next to kristaps

[taikibansei]

sign patty mills and re-sign ennings, those 2 would be 10x's better than derrick rose.

but of course pray the knicks get one of these nice pg prospects coming out of the draft.

BNO funny you mentioned Patty Mills because I was thinking of him just today as a solid off season signing, along with bringing Jennings back. My absolute ideal summer is landing Hayward and Mills. I just wonder how many wins a Mills/Jennings combo at the PG Spot, with Lee-Hayward-Melo-KP gets you in the East. What do you think?

they need a defensive big man next to kristaps

KP can and does play excellent defense--the stats back this up. What we need to pair with KP is a bruiser, a rebounder/tough guy who's not afraid to mix it up (and unlike Noah, can both stay on the floor and score on occasion).

I disagree with those suggesting that KP needs to adjust his game to become a better rebounder/more physical presence...though mostly because I can't see this happening without detracting from the special things KP brings. Again, I see the ceiling for KP being Dirk on offense with elite shot-blocking and above-average all-around defense. This would be absolutely awesome if it happens. Even Dirk, though, never became more than an average rebounder for his position. He also has never been a guy known for dealing well with opposing bruisers. You can't have everything--Dirk's still led a team to a championship and going to the HOF.

We need somebody to do the dirty work on this team, though one who is not a complete offensive liability. This shouldn't be too difficult to find.

[CJackson]

BNO funny you mentioned Patty Mills because I was thinking of him just today as a solid off season signing, along with bringing Jennings back. My absolute ideal summer is landing Hayward and Mills. I just wonder how many wins a Mills/Jennings combo at the PG Spot, with Lee-Hayward-Melo-KP gets you in the East. What do you think?

they need a defensive big man next to kristaps

KP can and does play excellent defense--the stats back this up. What we need to pair with KP is a bruiser, a rebounder/tough guy who's not afraid to mix it up (and unlike Noah, can both stay on the floor and score on occasion).

I disagree with those suggesting that KP needs to adjust his game to become a better rebounder/more physical presence...though mostly because I can't see this happening without detracting from the special things KP brings. Again, I see the ceiling for KP being Dirk on offense with elite shot-blocking and above-average all-around defense. This would be absolutely awesome if it happens. Even Dirk, though, never became more than an average rebounder for his position. He also has never been a guy known for dealing well with with opposing bruisers. You can't have everything--Dirk's still led a team to a championship and going to the HOF.

We need somebody to do the dirty work on this team, though one who is not a complete offensive liability. This shouldn't be too difficult to find.

We need an Oak or a Mase next to KP

[taikibansei]

they need a defensive big man next to kristaps

KP can and does play excellent defense--the stats back this up. What we need to pair with KP is a bruiser, a rebounder/tough guy who's not afraid to mix it up (and unlike Noah, can both stay on the floor and score on occasion).

I disagree with those suggesting that KP needs to adjust his game to become a better rebounder/more physical presence...though mostly because I can't see this happening without detracting from the special things KP brings. Again, I see the ceiling for KP being Dirk on offense with elite shot-blocking and above-average all-around defense. This would be absolutely awesome if it happens. Even Dirk, though, never became more than an average rebounder for his position. He also has never been a guy known for dealing well with with opposing bruisers. You can't have everything--Dirk's still led a team to a championship and going to the HOF.

We need somebody to do the dirty work on this team, though one who is not a complete offensive liability. This shouldn't be too difficult to find.

We need an Oak or a Mase next to KP

Exactly. If we had somebody like that now, I think we beat OKC and the Twolves comeback never happens.

[Fat Kat]

KP can and does play excellent defense--the stats back this up. What we need to pair with KP is a bruiser, a rebounder/tough guy who's not afraid to mix it up (and unlike Noah, can both stay on the floor and score on occasion).

I disagree with those suggesting that KP needs to adjust his game to become a better rebounder/more physical presence...though mostly because I can't see this happening without detracting from the special things KP brings. Again, I see the ceiling for KP being Dirk on offense with elite shot-blocking and above-average all-around defense. This would be absolutely awesome if it happens. Even Dirk, though, never became more than an average rebounder for his position. He also has never been a guy known for dealing well with with opposing bruisers. You can't have everything--Dirk's still led a team to a championship and going to the HOF.

We need somebody to do the dirty work on this team, though one who is not a complete offensive liability. This shouldn't be too difficult to find.

We need an Oak or a Mase next to KP

Exactly. If we had somebody like that now, I think we beat OKC and the Twolves comeback never happens.

They've legislated guys like that out of the league. Can't even give a hard foul nowadays.

[CJackson]

We need an Oak or a Mase next to KP

Exactly. If we had somebody like that now, I think we beat OKC and the Twolves comeback never happens.

They've legislated guys like that out of the league. Can't even give a hard foul nowadays.

Then we need a big with terrible body odor

[taikibansei]

We need an Oak or a Mase next to KP

Exactly. If we had somebody like that now, I think we beat OKC and the Twolves comeback never happens.

They've legislated guys like that out of the league. Can't even give a hard foul nowadays.

Unless you're on one of the fair-haired teams favored nowadays, like GSW (Green), Cleveland (TT), OKC (Adams), etc. I mean, even back in the "old days," somebody who made contact with another man's balls in consecutive series would have been sat down by the league, but Green was only suspended due to his total number of technical fouls, not to his "targeting" issues.

[CJackson]

Exactly. If we had somebody like that now, I think we beat OKC and the Twolves comeback never happens.

They've legislated guys like that out of the league. Can't even give a hard foul nowadays.

Unless you're on one of the fair-haired teams favored nowadays, like GSW (Green), Cleveland (TT), OKC (Adams), etc. I mean, even back in the "old days," somebody who made contact with another man's balls in consecutive series would have been sat down by the league, but Green was only suspended due to his total number of technical fouls, not to his "targeting" issues.

are you discussing the NBA or the meat packing district in 1985?

[taikibansei]

They've legislated guys like that out of the league. Can't even give a hard foul nowadays.

Unless you're on one of the fair-haired teams favored nowadays, like GSW (Green), Cleveland (TT), OKC (Adams), etc. I mean, even back in the "old days," somebody who made contact with another man's balls in consecutive series would have been sat down by the league, but Green was only suspended due to his total number of technical fouls, not to his "targeting" issues.

are you discussing the NBA or the meat packing district in 1985?

Can't I do both at the same time?

[CJackson]

Unless you're on one of the fair-haired teams favored nowadays, like GSW (Green), Cleveland (TT), OKC (Adams), etc. I mean, even back in the "old days," somebody who made contact with another man's balls in consecutive series would have been sat down by the league, but Green was only suspended due to his total number of technical fouls, not to his "targeting" issues.

are you discussing the NBA or the meat packing district in 1985?

Can't I do both at the same time?

OK, we'll stick to the Gay Nineties in that case

[crazybranman360]

Is it crazy that I want to extend Brandon Jennings??

[Oscirus]

Rule that **** out pronto. I'm not saying that this is Kp's team yet, but we need to start rebuilding around KP. KP and Rose clearly aren't simpatico.

[Knicksfan20]

Rose just needs to sacrifice his offensive game and play like a distributer when with the starters and everyone here will love him. If he cares about winning, he would defer a bit more.

[Oscirus]

Rose just needs to sacrifice his offensive game and play like a distributer when with the starters and everyone here will love him. If he cares about winning, he would defer a bit more.

He's in a contract year, it's not in his best interest to do that. Especially since it's obvious that the Knicks aren't contenders.

[CJackson]

Is it crazy that I want to extend Brandon Jennings??

At the right price. Especially if Jeff can fix his jumper a bit more. But at over 10M, he is way overpriced. Ideal as the backup PG if we can find the right starter not named Rose.

Plus, it appears BJ is liked by the young guys so he might be good for Knicks chemistry to stay here.

[CJackson]

Rose just needs to sacrifice his offensive game and play like a distributer when with the starters and everyone here will love him. If he cares about winning, he would defer a bit more.

Rose is not intelligent enough to adjust that much. Players like him and Melo are so ingrained in their ways that they will always revert to their core style, often when it is least appropriate.

I really think some people are projecting their wishes on to what Rose can evolve into, but it is not highly realistic. The worst thing to happen to Rose was winning the MVP award. It poisoned his mind more than necessary.

Both Rose and Melo are similar in that it is virtually impossible to build a true contender around either one, because as the # 1 options their teams always have deferred to them getting their shots and the offense doesn't really flow through them.

And that is not likely to change enough to make a big difference in their games. But both Melo and Rose on a starting unit is begging for disappointment, especially for two more years as Melo fades out. If Rose remains healthy, he'll just keep barrelling into the rim as long as his body will let him, but it will not produce winning ball if you are serious about building a contender.