Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season

[Knicksfan20]

Rose just needs to sacrifice his offensive game and play like a distributer when with the starters and everyone here will love him. If he cares about winning, he would defer a bit more.

He's in a contract year, it's not in his best interest to do that. Especially since it's obvious that the Knicks aren't contenders.

East is wide open except for the Cavaliers. Why cant the Knicks be contenders? If we go on a hot streak and can play some defense, no reason we cant finish 4 or 5+ in the conference and have a possibility at the ECF.

I know its farfetched, but it can happen. Team is just starting to gel and we honestly should be 11-7 right now and not 9-9 but whatever.


You think 16/4/4 would get him a higher contract opposed to if he averaged 13/8/4? Hes not going to be a 20+ppg scorer with KP and Melo on the team, so he should adjust his game a bit and rack up some free assists. He has a better chance getting a higher paycheck then playing selfish and icing his teammates.

[Capn'O]

they need a defensive big man next to kristaps

KP can and does play excellent defense--the stats back this up. What we need to pair with KP is a bruiser, a rebounder/tough guy who's not afraid to mix it up (and unlike Noah, can both stay on the floor and score on occasion).

I disagree with those suggesting that KP needs to adjust his game to become a better rebounder/more physical presence...though mostly because I can't see this happening without detracting from the special things KP brings. Again, I see the ceiling for KP being Dirk on offense with elite shot-blocking and above-average all-around defense. This would be absolutely awesome if it happens. Even Dirk, though, never became more than an average rebounder for his position. He also has never been a guy known for dealing well with with opposing bruisers. You can't have everything--Dirk's still led a team to a championship and going to the HOF.

We need somebody to do the dirty work on this team, though one who is not a complete offensive liability. This shouldn't be too difficult to find.

We need an Oak or a Mase next to KP

I am jealous of the Lakers with Tarik Black. He would be awesome next to KP.

[Capn'O]

re-sign ennings

Wait. Whoa. WTF??? WOW WOW.

Is it crazy that I want to extend Brandon Jennings??

No. Jennings has been playing well enough that even bNo just suggested bringing him back.

[Knicksfan20]

Is it crazy that I want to extend Brandon Jennings??

No. Jennings has been playing well enough that even BnO just suggested bringing him back.

Love Jennings so far. His defense has been a huge surprise to me and I love seeing him out there getting steals and putting that full court pressure on.

I think Rose has played pretty well besides the fact that he tunnels a bit too much. With that said, I think (and many others think) Jennings has been outplaying Rose.

I really hope we can bring Jennings back next year. (never thought I would say this)

[Oscirus]

Rose just needs to sacrifice his offensive game and play like a distributer when with the starters and everyone here will love him. If he cares about winning, he would defer a bit more.

He's in a contract year, it's not in his best interest to do that. Especially since it's obvious that the Knicks aren't contenders.

East is wide open except for the Cavaliers. Why cant the Knicks be contenders? If we go on a hot streak and can play some defense, no reason we cant finish 4 or 5+ in the conference and have a possibility at the ECF.

I know its farfetched, but it can happen. Team is just starting to gel and we honestly should be 11-7 right now and not 9-9 but whatever.


You think 16/4/4 would get him a higher contract opposed to if he averaged 13/8/4? Hes not going to be a 20+ppg scorer with KP and Melo on the team, so he should adjust his game a bit and rack up some free assists. He has a better chance getting a higher paycheck then playing selfish and icing his teammates.

If we finish 4 or 5 we're playing Cavs in the semis not the ecf. Even with that, Rose needs to show the NBA that he's still got it. This is his last real chance at a payday, he can't screw it up.

[Knicksfan20]

If we finish 4 or 5 we're playing Cavs in the semis not the ecf. Even with that, Rose needs to show the NBA that he's still got it. This is his last real chance at a payday, he can't screw it up.

True. But there is no dominant team in the East outside of the Cavs. So even if we finished 7th..WE would have a chance at the ECF if we get hot towards the end and are playing at our full potential. (I don't see a huge difference between the 2nd and 8th seed. Honestly don't think Toronto is some great team)

You don't think NBA teams have scouts? They arnt going to pay Rose purely on PPG. They want to see how quick he is, how explosive, how healthy...Rose can score 20-25ppg if he was the only offensive option on the team...but he has 2 better ones with Melo and Porzingis so he needs to wake up and realize that Assists = points/money too.

Conley just got paid an insane amount of money for being a 15/6/3 player. (also cuz of his defense) A pointguard doesn't need 20-25 a game to get a big contract. If rose can average 14-15/8/5 then he is going to get PAID. That simple. NBA teams/scouts know he can score...But the Knicks don't need scoring from the PG position...THey need Rose to start looking to set people up.

[HEZI]

KP can and does play excellent defense--the stats back this up. What we need to pair with KP is a bruiser, a rebounder/tough guy who's not afraid to mix it up (and unlike Noah, can both stay on the floor and score on occasion).

I disagree with those suggesting that KP needs to adjust his game to become a better rebounder/more physical presence...though mostly because I can't see this happening without detracting from the special things KP brings. Again, I see the ceiling for KP being Dirk on offense with elite shot-blocking and above-average all-around defense. This would be absolutely awesome if it happens. Even Dirk, though, never became more than an average rebounder for his position. He also has never been a guy known for dealing well with with opposing bruisers. You can't have everything--Dirk's still led a team to a championship and going to the HOF.

We need somebody to do the dirty work on this team, though one who is not a complete offensive liability. This shouldn't be too difficult to find.

We need an Oak or a Mase next to KP

I am jealous of the Lakers with Tarik Black. He would be awesome next to KP.

I'm sure Ivan Johnson would also love to come back to the league

But on a serious note I've been keeping my eye on this Robert Williams kid out of Texas A&M and would absolutely love if the Knicks found a way to draft him and develop him. He has the tools to play next to KP. Relentless rebounder and shot blocker and doesn't need touches to be effective. Similar to Tristan Thompson

[NYKMentality85]

Quoted below for truth.

Rose with improved efficiency can become a nightmare for opposing defenses. He is a PG; an attacking/scoring PG. Come postseason play a scoring trio of Rose, Anthony & Porzingis can evolve into becoming a down right nightmare.

And tonight Derrick Rose puts up 24 points, 5 assists, 5 rebounds, 1 steal (and only 1 turnover) off of 9/15 from the field (.600%) and more importantly came up clutch (once again) throughout the 4th quarter. He absoulatly dominated Ricky Rubio.

But yet according to a certain someone, Rose "sucks".

Two of Derrick's previous three games have been outstanding performances.

[NYKMentality85]

Derrick Rose is starting to ball out while putting up borderline All-Star numbers as of late.

He's currently averaging 16.8 points, 4.8 assists and 4.2 rebounds (career high) per game. His FG% of .445% is the highest it's been dating back to his All-Star years (pre-injuries).

And over the previous 9 games he's averaged 19.2 points, 4.7 assists and 4.1 rebounds per game while shooting 64/142 from the field (.450%).

More importantly Derrick Rose has begun to take over 4th Quarters with clutch play during pressure situations (he's always had a natural killer instinct).

He's got his athleticism back. He's gained his previous explosion. His confidence has returned. And as an attacking/aggressive/scoring PG he's quickly becoming a nightmare for opposing defenses to contain while alongside of Anthony & Porzingis.

In closing I've loved the addition of Derrick Rose dating back to day one and i truthfully feel bad for (and pitty) those who haven't and/or aren't able to enjoy his overall game. N.Y has a big 3 in Rose, Anthony & Porzingis; this trio can become something special moving forward.

His Win Share & Value Added are both rapidly increasing as well. Now rated as the 16th best PG within the entire league in Win Share/Value Added (and climbing over night). His Player Efficiency Rating is rapidly climbing too.

[Greenie]

Quoted below for truth.

Rose with improved efficiency can become a nightmare for opposing defenses. He is a PG; an attacking/scoring PG. Come postseason play a scoring trio of Rose, Anthony & Porzingis can evolve into becoming a down right nightmare.

And tonight Derrick Rose puts up 24 points, 5 assists, 5 rebounds, 1 steal (and only 1 turnover) off of 9/15 from the field (.600%) and more importantly came up clutch (once again) throughout the 4th quarter. He absoulatly dominated Ricky Rubio.

But yet according to a certain someone, Rose "sucks".

Two of Derrick's previous three games have been outstanding performances.

Agreed.
All he has to do is take care of the ball. He's been getting better at that.

[bringinhinkie]

Derrick Rose is starting to ball out while putting up borderline All-Star numbers as of late.

He's currently averaging 16.8 points, 4.8 assists and 4.2 rebounds (career high) per game. His FG% of .445% is the highest it's been dating back to his All-Star years (pre-injuries).

And over the previous 9 games he's averaged 19.2 points, 4.7 assists and 4.1 rebounds per game while shooting 64/142 from the field (.450%).

More importantly Derrick Rose has begun to take over 4th Quarters with clutch play during pressure situations (he's always had a natural killer instinct).

He's got his athleticism back. He's gained his previous explosion. His confidence has returned. And as an attacking/aggressive/scoring PG he's quickly becoming a nightmare for opposing defenses to contain while alongside of Anthony & Porzingis.

In closing I've loved the addition of Derrick Rose dating back to day one and i truthfully feel bad for (and pitty) those who haven't and/or aren't able to enjoy his overall game. N.Y has a big 3 in Rose, Anthony & Porzingis; this trio can become something special moving forward.

His Win Share & Value Added are both rapidly increasing as well. Now rated as the 16th best PG within the entire league in Win Share/Value Added (and climbing over night). His Player Efficiency Rating is rapidly climbing too.

are you watching the same games as everyone else?

ball movement and cohesion dies when he is on the court.. he dribbles around with his head down out of control.. also plays 0 defense

stop posting numbers, they mean nothing.. empty stats

[NBA Fan 1234]

I still want nothing to do with him.

[NYKMentality85]

I still want nothing to do with him.

Well thank God the likes of both Phil Jackson and Jeff Hornacek doesn't feel the same.

I can't remember the last N.Y PG who's put up this type of production and it's been forever since we've featured an aggressive/attacking PG who could penetrate defenses, drive to the rim & score as D.Rose can.

He's taking so much pressure off of the likes of both Anthony and Porzingis. He's an X-Factor and some fans simply fail to comprehend all of the above.

[NBA Fan 1234]

I still want nothing to do with him.

Well thank God the likes of both Phil Jackson and Jeff Hornacek doesn't feel the same.

I can't remember the last N.Y PG who's put up this type of production and it's been forever since we've featured an aggressive/attacking PG who could penetrate defenses, drive to the rim & score as D.Rose can.

He's taking so much pressure off of the likes of both Anthony and Porzingis. He's an X-Factor and some fans simply fail to comprehend all of the above.

Who says they don't? Just because of a report from Rose saying he'd like to stay and another report saying the Knicks haven't ruled out the possibility of an extension does not mean that Phil / Horny are on board with bringing him back. After all, this is the most tight-lipped the Knicks have been as far back as I can remember - there are no leaks at all.

I'm not buying it because he'll always revert back to the low efficiency, shoot first, selfish PG he's always been. I don't think I "fail" to comprehend the situation and positives/negative when I know for a fact I have more experience than you do working in the front office of a basketball team with the president/GM and coaches.

You and I clearly don't see eye to eye on this so there's no need to begin a back and forth. I trust my eyes over most people here, with a few exceptions (and I think they know who they are).

[bringinhinkie]

I still want nothing to do with him.

Well thank God the likes of both Phil Jackson and Jeff Hornacek doesn't feel the same.

I can't remember the last N.Y PG who's put up this type of production and it's been forever since we've featured an aggressive/attacking PG who could penetrate defenses, drive to the rim & score as D.Rose can.

He's taking so much pressure off of the likes of both Anthony and Porzingis. He's an X-Factor and some fans simply fail to comprehend all of the above.

Green font?

[reub]

I don't know what half of you guys are looking at. Rose is a leader and a winner. He makes us a legit team, not a laughing stock. He can take us to the promised land. How many other players do we have who were league MVP's? Getting better every day!

[NYKMentality85]

If Hornacek (an intelligent coach) didn't trust and believe in Rose, Rose himself would not ne averaging 32.2 minutes per game (behind only Anthony & Porzingis).

And I'm pretty confident that after trading for Rose, Phil Jackson is more than pleased with Derrick's production thus far.

No mention of how clutch Rose has been during the 4th quarter? No mention of how impressive Rose has been as an attacking/scoring PG who's attacking defenses, penetrating to the rim and taking pressure off Anthony & Porzingis? No mention how his FG% of .445% is the highest it's been since his All-Star season of 2010-2011 (.445%)?

And "selfish"? I'm pretty sure if Rose were playing "selfish" the likes of Anthony & Porzingis (both) wouldn't be averaging more shot attempts per game when compared to Rose. Rose is averaging a career low in shot attempts (nice try though).

And "inefficient"? Wrong. Over the past 9 games he's averaging 19.2 points, 4.7 assists and 4.1 rebounds per game while shooting 64/142 from the field (.450%). His season Player Efficiency Rating is 4th on the team behind only Anthony, Porzingis & O'Quinn and if he were so "selfish" his Assist % wouldn't be 2nd behind only Jennings.

Some of you all don't deserve a PG of Derrick's caliber; you deserve Calderon, Felton, an old man Kidd (2012-2013).

[NYKnicksTAPE]

I don't know what half of you guys are looking at. Rose is a leader and a winner. He makes us a legit team, not a laughing stock. He can take us to the promised land. How many other players do we have who were league MVP's? Getting better every day!

we're only a game over .500 right now, it's still way too early to say that we're a legit team

he was the league MVP so many years ago, he's clearly not that dude now and he never will be

he's also so inconsistent in terms of his impact on the game...last night he played well, but the game before that he got benched in the 2nd half

I'm hoping that we can upgrade the PG position this summer, but there's a very slim chance that we'll actually be able to do so so I'm slowly starting to accept that Rose will unfortunately probably be our PG option going forward

[Adelheid]

Derrick Rose's massive tendency to drive make the opposing team rethink about choosing to pack the paint or play tighter man-to-man defense. He is the only guy in the roster that can beat his man with no pick/screen. Granted, Rose needs to be more aware of his teammates' positions. Then again, I really dont think of him as a natural playmaker/potential facilitator. He is a pure scorer just like Melo. We might need to pair him with quick pass-first guy whatever the position he may be.

[moocow007]

I mentioned in the PG thread...Rose needs to develop a hesitation or stutter step. He wants to drive but he doesn't have the same explosiveness that he had when he was MVP. Makes it easier for teams to cut off his drive and/or defend him cause he's has one speed. If he was able to intro a stutter or jive step it would help through defenses off a bit more and allow him to either drive or pull up for a jumper without being covered like a bug in a rug. Wade does that perfectly, same with CP3. That's why they can still drive so effectively despite both being slower than Rose right now.

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